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Thanks much for that clear explanation.
In the meantime the city should be embarrassed for keeping the venue open in the condition that it's in. It's really a health hazard to the public. The upper levels of the building I believe are still encrusted with accumulation of the years, and I seriously doubt whether the hangings along the walls have had the dust and accretions removed from them. Sooner or later there will be suits based on health issues. Shut it down until the environment is made safe.
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Would you like some vermouth with your bitters? There was already a bidding process, and a contract awarded (AEG Live + Mana Contemporary + NJCU). Part of the deal is that AEG Live pitches in $3.5 million for the renovation. The Loews is not for sale. No part of the contract sells the property to anyone. The city owns it, and will keep it. The contract most certainly does not allow AEG to turn it into condos. Along with public interest in making it some kind of performing arts space, that's as good a guarantee as we're going to get.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 19:53
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A non-profit will have a tough time raising the funds to fix the facility, let alone manage it properly. FOL certainly has shown it's not up to it. The bid that was put out a year or so ago required that FOL program something like 6 days per year... which is more than FOL can currently manage. We should also note that despite all the feuding, it sounds like FOL and Fulop are now in talks to move forward.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 19:45
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As the saying goes, if they love it, they must set it free. They have done a great job but the FOL can only go so far with minimal funding and resources. Its time to pass the torch as JSQ begins to have its renaissance as a small arts district.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 17:19
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your intentions are clearly in the right place but this is unfortunately very separated from reality and how the music industry works. there is a reason the FOL have one, maybe two concerts a year at the Loew's, and if they retain control it will never become what it once was. as I mentioned previously, there is a reason nearly every single legitimate venue is run by a company who has the experience doing so. AEG Live and comparable companies have a track record of renovating historic theaters and turning them into premier event spaces. they have the capital to do the renovation and the connections to book the ongoing talent needed to keep it running. if the FOL were remotely capable of doing so they would have already.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 15:33
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place needs truckloads of money to bring up to date. commercial investor is not guarantee that they will save the place. i can picture them running it to the ground and turning into condos one day. fulop is proven to fail us time and again, and catering to his wall street masters
Posted on: 2017/4/28 12:56
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I think the bubble burst for me with the visit I made a year or two ago to the KING"S Theatre in Brooklyn.
http://www.kingstheatre.com/. I was stunned by the expertness that brought a movie palace back to a "royal" status. The venues appearing there could easily come to Jersey City and breathe life back into the Square if the theatre were properly redone. The other thing that caught my eye was the money spent on the organ that is just really an expensive annoyance. Air conditioning, or at least an air filtration system would have been a better place to spend whatever funds went into that ostentatious debacle. I mean, the handrails haven't been replaced yet. Jeez!!
Posted on: 2017/4/28 11:55
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I think the bubble burst for me with the visit I made a year or two ago to the KING"S Theatre in Brooklyn.
http://www.kingstheatre.com/. I was stunned by the expertness that brought a movie palace back to a "royal" status. The venues appearing there could easily come to Jersey City and breathe life back into the Square if the theatre were properly redone. The other thing that caught my eye was the money spent on the organ that is just really an expensive annoyance. Air conditioning, or at least an air filtration system would have been a better place to spend whatever funds went into that ostentatious debacle. I mean, the handrails haven't been replaced yet. Jeez!!
Posted on: 2017/4/28 11:54
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This kind of small-minded, obtuse rationale, while well-intended, is exactly the problem: the FOL has shown they do not have the skills, experience, or wherewithal, to manage and see to fruition the task of restoring the Loew's. This is not about "selling out" or "keeping it local" but rather it is about actually getting this place restored so ALL OF JC can actually get to enjoy it. As of now, it is (essentially) a once-a-month movie theater with some serious deficiencies. It's been ~10 years since I first stepped inside and I see little to no progress since then. Sad, and pathetic.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 11:16
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It's sagas like this that remind you Steve Flop is just another Goldman Sachs politician in bed with Kushner.
The Loews is a local gem and should be managed by a local organization as a non-profit, not sold off to the highest bidder to extract profits for some mega corporation.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 10:42
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In addition, the FOL simply do not have the connections or resources to run a full time venue. There is a reason that every legitimate music venue is managed by one of the major national companies that do so. AEG Live actually has a history of renovating historic venues and operating them thereafter with much success. Nothing but respect for the FOL for what they did in the past but their pride is just hurting their own cause at this point.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 5:19
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The physical restoration and rehabilitation has been at a practical standstill since years ago. That is why I support the idea of bringing in a professional organization to run the place and oversee its renovation. I totally get that FOL saved the place from the wrecking ball, but they are definitely not up to the task of seeing through the effort of restoring the place to its former grandeur.
Posted on: 2017/4/28 3:36
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I don't know what to make of the legal issues, but the physical interior of the building in terms of rehabilitation is at a standstill imho. I think there may be a health hazard within from the state of foul air. I was sickened for three days after attending a viewing of 1984 and I will not return to the place. And this hurts, because I had hopes for the palace that I spent many a time in as a younger person. A change is desperately needed somewhere!!
Posted on: 2017/4/27 21:15
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Court erred in ruling between Jersey City and Friends of the Loew's: judgesBy JERSEY CITY - The city and the Friends of the Loew's could be heading back to court. A panel of Superior Court judges ruled Monday that a trial court failed to address the city's allegations that the nonprofit group - which manages the Landmark Loew's Jersey theater - breached its leasing contract. Superior Court Judge Hector Velazquez dismissed the city's claims that the FOL's lease, which is good until 2020, was not valid in during a May 2015 trial. Mayor Steve Fulop had sought to revamp the 88-year-old theater by hiring a concert promoter to manage the former movie theater. But during that trial, the "court erred by failing to address the city's counterclaim for breach of contract" and "erroneously suggested that the claim had not been properly pled," according to an opinion signed by Superior Court Judges Joseph Yannotti, Robert Gilson and Paulette Sapp-Peterson. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _jersey_city_landmar.html
Posted on: 2017/4/25 20:13
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Loews volunteers win back $300,000 grant Fulop’s attempt to defund them is rejected by the court
Posted on: 2016/7/31 16:33
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WSJ 6/26/2014: ?On Thursday, city officials said that AEG Live, a company that books talent and manages venues nationwide, will manage the Loew's Jersey Theatre and that the city will spend about $30 million to $40 million to overhaul the theater.The renovation plan calls for closing the theater sometime this year and reopening it by late 2015 or early 2016..? JJ comment: Quote: NYT DEC. 30, 2014: ?In 2012, the city chose ACE Theatrical Group, a Houston-based theatrical management and development company, to restore Kings Theater and operate it, on a self-sustaining, for-profit basis. ACE has restored and operates historical theaters in once-blighted urban areas, like the Boston Opera House and the Hippodrome Theater at the France-Merrick Performing Arts Center in Baltimore.
Posted on: 2016/7/29 0:58
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Possibly, although like I originally said I was looking to see if the city commented on their reasoning. I was a supporter as well but there have been a few things councilman Fulop would have been against that Mayor Fulop has been for/done that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Posted on: 2016/7/29 0:28
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Retaliation for losing the lawsuit about keeping the FOL lease through 2020 and on. The city was probably hoping that without the grant money, the place would continue to fall into disrepair and they could take it over through eminent domain or something and then sell it to Live Nation or someone.
It's amazing how quickly Fulop (who I campaigned for and believed in) has become a corrupt stooge.
Posted on: 2016/7/28 1:53
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I've heard about the city pulling funding that was supposed to go here and didn't really follow it but recently went to the Stephen King event there and thought the venue was really great, plenty of potential. The exit process was kind of pain as they had to have the fire marshals there which I understand wouldn't have to be if the repairs that the money that was allocated was used for. Has the city explained why they tried to pull this funding, it seems like this should be preserved as best as possible?
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Before we talk about FOL holding back the Loew's, let's consider this:
What the City tried to do with the Hudson County grant was take away grant money that was earmarked to help bring the City's own building up to the City's own building codes. In point of fact, more than ten years ago the City committed to finding funding for these code related repairs, but never did. Instead, FOL cooperated with the City in asking the County to allow the grant, which was originally meant for another project at the Loew's, to instead be used to make some of the important code repairs that the City was not funding. Since at least 2012, the City was supposed to design, bid and contract for the work of this grant. But in 2014, the Fulop Administration ordered the City's Division of Architecture to stop all work on Loew's projects. Then last year, after FOL beat-back the City's attempt to break our Lease, the Fulop Administration told the County that it wanted the grant money taken away from the Loew's. How does this make any sense? Whether you like FOL or not, and no matter whether FOL is at the Loew's or not, these are basic repairs that need to be made -- and the City is responsible for them. To understand how absurd the City's action regarding the Grant was, consider what would happen if the City ordered any other property owner to make code repairs, but instead the property owner refused and said he wanted to spend his money on other things. And interestingly, thought FOL and the City are co-grantees, neither the City nor the County seemed to think that FOL should have any say in what happened grant funding we had won for the Loew's. FOL has not held the Loew's back. Instead, we've spent years having to find ways to work around the City's inability to provide the cooperation it supposed to. By the way, for the sake of full disclosure, I am one of the two employees of FOL. I make $45,000 a year, no benefits. As to the question of whether my salary would be better spent on other things, I can only point out that many non-profit corporations pay staff members to perform work that is essential to being able to pursue their charitable purposes, even though they also make great use of volunteers. FOL is far from alone in this.
Posted on: 2016/7/27 23:19
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Jersey City Loew's groups wins court victory over stripped grant funding
By Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal on July 27, 2016 at 12:20 PM, updated July 27, 2016 at 5:06 PM JERSEY CITY ? Chalk up another win for the Friends of the Loew's. The nonprofit that manages the Landmark Loew's Jersey Theatre in Journal Square won a victory in court last week after suing Hudson County freeholders over roughly $300,000 in grant funding that was stripped from FOL by the freeholder board last year. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... s.html#incart_2box_hudson JJ Comment: Quote: It is truly disgusting how the FOL is holding the Loews hostage. It is time to give it up so ALL of the people of Jersey City especially the property owners around Journal Square can enjoy some top notch entertainment there.I am tired of the once in a while classic movie weekends and once a year balls. Yes great they saved the Loews from the wrecking ball give the FOL a plaque in the lobby as a show of thanks. JJ Comment: Quote: ?FOL's most recent financial statement shows it taking in about $238,000 in revenue annually and spending about $262,000.? Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal Quote:
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Steve Fulop is dead wrong on the Loews. Jersey City needs to fund it and keep it public. When is the next election? We need a better mayor,
Posted on: 2016/7/27 12:25
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That's right folks... pubic racks!
Posted on: 2016/4/19 18:44
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Going to bat for Motivate/Citi is simply a recent demonstration that Jersey City indeed supports the use of public property for commercial use, so long as the proper relationship has been established. You may not like my remark, but if we take the allegations at face value, perhaps it?s more absurd that the solution couldn?t have been less protectionist than imposing limits on parking commercial/rental bicycles at pubic racks. A law that would effectively punish the users of other rental systems seems to be going too far. After all, while a car rental outfit can?t use our streets as its staging and maintenance area, users of their cars don?t face special parking rules that apply only to rentals... but that's way off-topic.
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It's pretty clear that you are taking her quote out of context. She was talking about allegations that Hoboken's bike share system was deliberately planting their bikes in public racks in Jersey City. It should be very clear, based on both the discussion at hand and her record, that she is not categorically opposed to the use of public spaces for limited and managed commercial use. I don't know her specific position on the Loews, but using that quote to try and zing her or the city government is absurd.
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Considering her remark was made in the context of protecting the city?s agreement with a bicycle rental/billboard advertising company whose title sponsor is one of the world?s largest banks, it?s obvious that the City treats public property as fair territory for commercial use.
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Oh, please! That's completely out of context. Public spaces get used for commercial purposes all the time. Think of all the farmers markets in all the city parks, or at the Grove PATH Plaza. Or, any street fair that consists of vendors. What she is saying (and, you conveniently left out the part that preceded that quote in the paragraph) is that they don't want public spaces used without an agreement in place to govern any such use. Public space get used for private and commercial use all the time, but it has to provide a greater good and it has to go through an approval process.
Posted on: 2016/4/19 10:26
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So, in the Hudson Reporter story, Candice Osbourne says "We do not want public spaces used for commercial purposes". Sure, she was specifically referring to the Hoboken bikes but her comment juxtaposes quite nicely with the prospect of bringing the for profit promoter AEG in to put on concerts and such at the Loews. Just sayin.
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First, I am the one who promoted historical designation, not you in the 1970s. But I don't want historical designation at the expense of someone losing their home. People come before buildings. This is not the same thing. It is the building owned by city not an individual. Why wouldn't the city want to protect its own property? The money is there so fix the roof. Fixing the roof stops more destruction in the building, so why won't Fulop release the funds? I remember when Hartz Mountain wanted to tear down the building. The FOL has done a great job now the city should do their job.
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Next time the topic of historical designation comes up in order to protect the city's architecture and history, I'll remember how you only care about the city's history when Fulop is fighting a group preserving a building. If you don't see your own hypocrisy in this, I can't help you.
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