This link could answer some questions for those looking for answers that relates to kids and gangs.

http://gangsta411.com/why_do_kids_join_gangs.htm

despite the funny retro drawing, probably the gang that pushes people in front of the cars

Why do you think you will be suspected of racism, when all you said was that those guys should be killed? There is no evidence that they were of a specific race or another, re-read the reports (and for that matter, read all the articles in the JJ, you'll see no race there, much to my increased curiosity.)

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And therein lies both the root of the problem they ahve, and why I don't really give a crap about what happens to them, as long as it doesn't involve people who are actually socially worthwile being hurt.

So terrible, isn't it, that people feel bad because they may actually have to put forward some bare minimum of effort, or make a small sacrifice, in order to fulfill their most basic obligation as human beings, to wit- taking care of the other people they spawn. I have an idea! Why don't we law abiding productive individuals take over all thier responsiblities so they don't feel bad about themselves!

These "kids" are dangerous animals. The kind of human that casually tosses someone in traffic and then head stomps them because it is fun is the kind of human that ought to be removed from corporeal existence, and quickly.

No doubt, none of these scumbags will die in their beds. But before they get their richly deserved offing or imprisonment, one of us (and by that I mean the normal human beings) will have to pay with suffering, and perhaps even their lives.

And before somebody trounces in with the racism card, let me state that I feel the same way about Manson and the late unlamented George Lincoln Rockwell as well.

You can't reason with a rabid dog. You go all atticus finch on its ass and you shoot it down.

The judge is hoping that these parents will teach their kids not to get caught next time!

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I actually started to type in my original post that the problem with letting this kids out is that it could provoke vigilantism.

I deleted that part, because I figure that would just give too much delight to the people who think I'm the most racist, classist yuppie whoever exist, rather than the struggling, ACLU-card-carrying socialism sympathizer that I actually am.

But my plain old emotional reaction to this is to want to hunt this kids down and shoot them.

If I'm thinking that, and I'm someone who favors strong gun control laws and expansion of Boys Club-like youth programs and all that, then I've got to think the Newark Avenue gun shop guy must already by sitting by one of these creeps' homes with a rifle.

Maybe, come to think of it, Nelson let these kids out because he WANTS some vigilante to come and kill them. Maybe he's trying to impose a sentence of execution by vigilantes.

Item (Title): Plight Deepens For Black Men, Studies Warn


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Source: The New York Times Date: March 20, 2006 Page: A1+

SUMMARY

New studies by academics at Columbia University, Princeton, Harvard, and other schools conclude that black men in the United States face a far more dire situation than is portrayed by common employment and education statistics, and their plight is getting worse, not better, as this ?huge pool of poorly educated individuals? becomes ever more disconnected from mainstream society.

The share of young black men in the United States without jobs ?has climbed relentlessly.? In 2000, 65% of black male high school dropouts in their 20s were jobless, that is, unable to find work, not seeking it, or incarcerated. By 2004, the share had grown to 72%, compared with 34% of white dropouts and 19% of Hispanics. Even when high school graduates were included, half the black men in their 20s were jobless in 2004, up from 46% in 2000.

In 1995, 16% of black men in their 20s who did not attend college were in jail or prison; by 2004, 21% were incarcerated. By their mid-30s, 60% of black men who had dropped out of school had been to prison. In the inner cities, more than half of all black males do not finish high school. Dropout rates for Hispanics are as bad or worse but are not associated with nearly as much unemployment or crime. Among black dropouts in their late 20s, more are in prison on a given day ? 34% ? than are working ? 30%.

Stricter enforcement of child support has been fairly successful, but the policy may leave young men feeling overwhelmed with debt and deter them from finding legal work, since a large share of their earnings could be seized. About half of all black men in their late 20s and early 30s who did not go to college are non-custodial fathers.

In response to these worsening factors, a growing number of social programs are placing as much importance on teaching life skills ? like parenting, conflict resolution, and character building ? as they are on teaching job skills.

can we just shoot them?

sorry.

Austrailian,when these juveniles( if you want to call them that) do commit another crime , the city won't have to open their checkbooks, these thugs were arrested by the police and then the State Superior Court Judge( Family Division) released them to the custody of their parents after the 1st court appearance . All juvenile complaints/charges are heard in Family Court( Never in municipal court) .In Jersey City that would be Superior Court 595 Newark Avenue

One would think that these parents have no parenting skills to start off with, and this is a big mistake.
I just hope these 'rebels without a cause' don't commit any other acts of violence or crime, otherwise the city will have to open their cheque book and write off a lot of money.

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Does anyone know anything else about Nelson? I don't know anything about Delarosa and don't know if he's credible. If Delarosa is credible, and especially if there are any witnesses or security videos backing up his account, it's hard to understand why Nelson would let these creeps go.

"Four Jersey City teens charged with throwing a man into traffic during a vicious attack this week spent less than 24 hours in custody after a judge overruled the protests of prosecutors who said they posed a threat to society.

"All four were released over our strenuous objection," said Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio yesterday of the boys charged with assaulting Michael Delarosa, 32, of Secaucus, on Monday on Kennedy Boulevard in Greenville.

"Due to the allegations, we believed that the juveniles are a danger to others in the community," DeFazio said."



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Can you guess how many of these young lovelies
are gonna show up back in court for their trail date?

4 wolf pack suspects released to parents

Friday, May 25, 2007
By MICHAELANGELO CONTE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

Four Jersey City teens charged with throwing a man into traffic during a vicious attack this week spent less than 24 hours in custody after a judge overruled the protests of prosecutors who said they posed a threat to society.

"All four were released over our strenuous objection," said Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio yesterday of the boys charged with assaulting Michael Delarosa, 32, of Secaucus, on Monday on Kennedy Boulevard in Greenville.

"Due to the allegations, we believed that the juveniles are a danger to others in the community," DeFazio said.

The 17-year-old Forrest Street boy and three 16-year-olds from Grant Avenue, Rose Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Drive were arrested after the Monday night robbery attack, officials said.

The boys were locked up overnight Monday and appeared in family court before Hudson County Superior Court Judge Mark Nelson the next day, officials said.

The prosecutors asked Nelson to delay releasing the boys, but the judge released them into the custody of their parents, officials said.

A court date will be set for the boys to be back in court for their prosecution.

"They definitely should have been held longer, because now I have to fear for my life when I go up there," Delarosa said.

Delarosa said on Monday he got off the Light Rail at the Martin Luther King Drive Station on his way to visit his stepfather and noticed six boys following him.

He tried to shake them by walking toward a doorway, but one of them said "Who do you know in there?" Delarosa said. "I said 'I know someone' and they said 'You don't know anyone.'"

"All of a sudden someone from behind hit me and I flew into Kennedy Boulevard. I put my arms up to protect myself and a car hit me and threw me into a parked car," Delarosa said.

"It was like a movie."

Delarosa said the boys began stomping him and running through his pockets before being scared off. He received leg, jaw and eye injuries, but was treated at the Jersey City Medical Center and released.

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I would still like to see the officers actually riding the trains more often. seems like all they do lately is drive a patrol car to various stations and sit as a pack to check tickets.

Did I read that right? We now have BOUNTY HUNTERS roaming within city limits?! Hope Boba Fett can do what our Thin Blue Line apparently can't--keep the thugs off our streets....
What's next--civil militias setting up road blocks off Van Vorst Park? And all the while our photo op-obsessed mayor fiddles.

this city always hade problem with teenage violence.. i was jump twice by nearly 20 juvinels

i want those children executed, or at the very least, castrated.

if castration is the chosen penalty, they should then be hung by their feet from trees with their arms tied in the scariest sections of Greenville and left for the animals over night. post flyers all over the city beforehand, encouraging everyone and anyone that if they feel so inclined, come over to Greenville tonight for a few free lashings.

maybe then they will get a taste for what it's like to be a helpless victim getting beaten senseless.

i can only hope that when the bounty hunter, and the police nabbed those few, they gave them a severe beating.

a 9mm bullet to the back of the skull would have been preferred.

i am not a violent man, not at all, but this kind of bull$hit really chaps my ass.

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I'm all for having that trigger happy gunstore owner go after the young monsters, but I don't think the light rail system is any more dangerous than any other place in Jersey City after dark.

I understand that the West Side station and the underground Tonnelle line stations are dangerous just because they're so isolated, and I agree that some of the problem kids are using the light rail to get to their crime scenes. But I've ridden the light rail system all over, sometimes at weird, hours, and I've never had any problems whatsoever on the trains or in the stations.

Were you the person who posted about NJT underreporting crime statistics for the light rail?

If so: I can believe that there's plenty of crime on the light rail system, but my sense is that the crime level is similar to the crime level around the stations themselves.

Of course, one very simple solution to light rail-linked crime would be to base foot patrol officers or Guardian Angels at the light rail stations in the evenings.

Good job by our OD leo for catching this guy and the bounty hunter. Hopefully they will be able to link this to the other crimes as well.


Also, I agree on something ECH writes for once :)

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I guess we should enjoy this "quiet time "before school ends for the summer !!!


DTG

One answer to a lot of this teenage violence
nonsense is to shut down that Westside Ave.
light rail station. It apparently is "Street-crime/
People-crime Central", and since no
policing authority seems able to monitor it,
it should be closed down as a public threat.
The entire light rain system, south of
Newport, after dark, is dangerous --
no doubt about it.

Another idea going around is to try all juveniles
involved in acts of violent crime as adults.
A few years in the slammer,
if they're convicted, would not do the
dear youngsters any "good", but it would at least
put them out of commission for that time
period.

Parenthetically, a person I know who is
a public defender in NY has remarked that
her juries are finding all youths guilty at trial --
demonstrating, apparently, that folks is
way, way tired of kids causing trouble

It is ridiculous - These young adults will either get a slap on the wrist and sent on their way (and they know it) or they get sent to some youth detention where their friends are, so its no big deal to them.

I say, sue them all on some civil case and the justice department should be pressured, to give real time to this ass-wipes in the BIG prison.

What the hell is going on here? This is ridiculous, it's turning into a crisis, someone needs to seriously stop this. Lock these kids up, lock their parents up! What the hell. Castrate the bastards! Seriously, people like this should not be able to procariate. And their parents - jesus - beat them down just as their kids beat down strangers - I'm not all for an eye for an eye, but in this situation it seems justified. What is going on! Take back the streets!

Lock these kids up. Send them to a military training school. These kids are monsters. Their parents should also be charged with negligence or with failure to properly supervise/raise their children.

Lots of f-d up shite in the news today.

STOMPED BY 'PACK'
4 teens nabbed in Jersey City attack

Wednesday, May 23, 2007
By MICHAELANGELO CONTE
JOURNAL STAFF WRITER

A Secaucus man was thrown into traffic, beaten, stomped and robbed by six Jersey City boys on Monday night, and four of them were chased down and taken into custody, reports said.

After the 8:30 p.m. attack at Orient Avenue and Kennedy Boulevard police arrested a 17-year-old boy from Forrest Street, and three 16-year-old boys from Grant Avenue, Rose Avenue and Martin Luther King Jr. Drive, reports said.

Police said the 32-year-old Pikeview Terrace man had an injured leg, jaw and his eye was swelling when he was taken to the Jersey City Medical Center, where he was treated and released.

The victim told police the boys followed him from the Martin Luther King Drive light rail station, and that he tried to zigzag through side streets but couldn't shake them, reports said.

He said the boys caught up to him on Kennedy Boulevard, where they threw him into traffic. He was then hit by several cars and knocked out, then the boys began kicking and stomping him in the street as they rifled his pockets, reports said.

Off-duty Police Officer Joseph Cossollini spotted the boys beating the man as he drove by and confronted them, reports said.

Cossollini grabbed one of the boys and after a scuffle, handcuffed him as the others ran away, reports said.

The police report says backup officers then arrived and apprehended the other boys at various locations in the surrounding area.

However, bounty hunter Adeil Mikhaeil told The Jersey Journal on Monday night that he had captured one of the boys himself. The police report mentions nothing about a bounty hunter.

Last night, Lt. Edgar Martinez said that the bounty hunter had in fact captured one boy and held him for police.