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Well, there has been a steady growth in the Latin Mass over the last twenty years despite many obstacles. David Gibson and the progressives meanwhile go to Novus Ordo Masses that get stranger and whose flocks get older and older. The Novus Ordo world shut down completely during the Pandemic revealing a lot.
In France, btw, which has a long experience with the issues of progressives in charge starting with the French Revolution, more faithful go to the Latin Mass than the new Mass. This is the reality.

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FYI, the Latin Mass is continuing at Our Lady of Sorrows. Indications are that the bishops in France, the UK, and the USA are responding in a pastoral manner in support of Tradition.

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er on the New TLM Restrictions
Cardinal Gerhard Mueller

MONDAY, JULY 19, 2021

The pope’s intention with his motu proprio, Traditionis Custodes, is to secure or restore the unity of the Church. The proposed means for this is the total unification of the Roman Rite in the form of the Missal of Paul VI (including its subsequent variations). Therefore, the celebration of Mass in the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite, as introduced by Pope Benedict XVI with Summorum pontificum (2007) on the basis of the Missal that existed from Pius V (1570) to John XXIII (1962), has been drastically restricted. The clear intent is to condemn the Extraordinary Form to extinction in the long run.

In his “Letter to the Bishops of the Whole World,” which accompanies the motu proprio, Pope Francis tries to explain the motives that have caused him, as the bearer of the supreme authority of the Church, to limit the liturgy in the extraordinary form. Beyond the presentation of his subjective reactions, however, a stringent and logically comprehensible theological argumentation would also have been appropriate. For papal authority does not consist in superficially demanding from the faithful mere obedience, i.e., a formal submission of the will, but, much more essentially, in enabling the faithful also to be convinced with consent of the mind. As St. Paul, courteous towards his often quite unruly Corinthians, said, “in the church I would rather speak five words with my mind, so as to instruct others also, than ten thousand words in tongues.” (1 Cor 14:19)

This dichotomy between good intention and poor execution always arises where the objections of competent employees are perceived as an obstruction of their superiors’ intentions, and which are, therefore, not even offered. As welcome as the references to Vatican II may be, care must be taken to ensure that the Council’s statements are used precisely and in context. The quotation from St. Augustine about membership in the Church “according to the body” and “according to the heart” (Lumen Gentium 14) refers to the full Church membership of the Catholic faith. It consists in the visible incorporation into the body of Christ (creedal, sacramental, ecclesiastical-hierarchical communion) as well as in the union of the heart, i.e. in the Holy Spirit. What this means, however, is not obedience to the pope and the bishops in the discipline of the sacraments, but sanctifying grace, which fully involves us in the invisible Church as communion with the Triune God.

For the unity in the confession of the revealed faith and the celebration of the mysteries of grace in the seven sacraments by no means require sterile uniformity in the external liturgical form, as if the Church were like one of the international hotel chains with their homogenous design. The unity of believers with one another is rooted in unity in God through faith, hope, and love and has nothing to do with uniformity in appearance, the lockstep of a military formation, or the groupthink of the big-tech age.

Even after the Council of Trent, there always was a certain diversity (musical, celebratory, regional) in the liturgical organization of Masses. The intention of Pope Pius V was not to suppress the variety of rites, but rather to curb the abuses that had led to a devastating lack of understanding among the Protestant Reformers regarding the substance of the sacrifice of the Mass (its Sacrificial character and Real Presence). In the Missal of Paul VI, ritualistic (rubricist) homogenization is broken up, precisely in order to overcome a mechanical execution in favor of an inner and outer active participation of all believers in their respective languages and cultures. The unity of the Latin rite, however, should be preserved through the same basic liturgical structure and the precise orientation of the translations to the Latin original.

The Roman Church must not pass on its responsibility for unity in cult to the Bishops’ Conferences. Rome must oversee translation of the normative texts of the Missal of Paul VI, and even of the biblical texts, that might obscure the contents of the faith. Presumptions that one may “improve” the verba domini (e.g. pro multis – “for many” – at the consecration, the et ne nos inducas in tentationem – “and lead us not into temptation” – in the Our Father), contradict the truth of the faith and the unity of the Church much more than celebrating Mass according to the Missal of John XXIII.

The key to a Catholic understanding of the liturgy lies in the insight that the substance of the sacraments is given to the Church as a visible sign and means of the invisible grace by virtue of divine law, but that it is up to the Apostolic See and, in accordance with the law, to the bishops to order the external form of the liturgy (insofar as it has not already existed since apostolic times). (Sacrosanctum Concilium, 22 § 1)

The provisions of Traditionis Custodes are of a disciplinary, not dogmatic nature and can be modified again by any future pope. Naturally, the pope, in his concern for the unity of the Church in the revealed faith, is to be fully supported when the celebration of Holy Mass according to the Missal of 1962 is an expression of resistance to the authority of Vatican II, which is to say, when the doctrine of the faith and the Church’s ethics are relativized or even denied in the liturgical and pastoral order.


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In Traditionis Custodes, the pope rightly insists on the unconditional recognition of Vatican II. Nobody can call himself a Catholic who either wants to go back behind Vatican II (or any other council recognized by the pope) as the time of the “true” Church or wants to leave that Church behind as an intermediate step towards a “new Church.” One may measure Pope Francis’ will to return to unity the deplored so-called “traditionalists” (i.e., those opposed to the Missal of Paul VI) against the degree of his determination to put an end to the innumerable “progressivist” abuses of the liturgy (renewed in accordance with Vatican II) that are tantamount to blasphemy. The paganization of the Catholic liturgy – which is in its essence nothing other than the worship of the One and Triune God – through the mythologization of nature, the idolatry of environment and climate, as well as the Pachamama spectacle, were rather counterproductive for the restoration and renewal of a dignified and orthodox liturgy reflective of the fulness of the Catholic faith.

Nobody can turn a blind eye to the fact that even those priests and laypeople who celebrate Mass according to the order of the Missal of St. Paul VI are now being widely decried as traditionalist. The teachings of Vatican II on the uniqueness of redemption in Christ, the full realization of the Church of Christ in the Catholic Church, the inner essence of the Catholic liturgy as adoration of God and mediation of grace, Revelation and its presence in Scripture and Apostolic Tradition, the infallibility of the magisterium, the primacy of the pope, the sacramentality of the Church, the dignity of the priesthood, the holiness and indissolubility of marriage – all these are being heretically denied in open contradiction to Vatican II by a majority of German bishops and lay functionaries (even if disguised under pastoral phrases).

And despite all the apparent enthusiasm they express for Pope Francis, they are flatly denying the authority conferred on him by Christ as the successor of Peter. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith’s document about the impossibility of legitimizing same-sex and extramarital sexual contacts through a blessing is ridiculed by German (and not only German) bishops, priests, and theologians as merely the opinion of under-qualified curial officials. Here we have a threat to the unity of the Church in revealed faith, reminiscent of the size of the Protestant secession from Rome in the sixteenth century. Given the disproportion between the relatively modest response to the massive attacks on the unity of the church in the German “Synodal Way” (as well as in other pseudo-reforms) and the harsh disciplining of the old ritual minority, the image of the misguided fire brigade comes to mind, which – instead of saving the blazing house – instead first saves the small barn next to it.

Without the slightest empathy, one ignores the religious feelings of the (often young) participants in the Masses according to the Missal John XXIII. (1962) Instead of appreciating the smell of the sheep, the shepherd here hits them hard with his crook. It also seems simply unjust to abolish celebrations of the “old” rite just because it attracts some problematic people: abusus non tollit usum.

What deserves special attention in Traditionis Custodes is the use of the axiom lex orandi-lex credendi (“Rule of prayer – rule of faith”). This phrase appears first in the anti-Pelagian Indiculus (“Against superstitions and paganism”) which spoke about “the sacraments of priestly prayers, handed down by the apostles to be celebrated uniformly all over the world and in the entire Catholic Church, so that the rule of prayer is the rule of faith.” (Denzinger Hünermann, Enchiridion symbolorum 3) This refers to the substance of the sacraments (in signs and words) but not the liturgical rite, of which there were several (with different variants) in the patristic era. One cannot simply declare the latest missal to be the only valid norm of the Catholic faith without distinguishing between the “part that is unchangeable by virtue of divine institution and the parts that are subject to change.” (Sacrosanctum Concilium 21). The changing liturgical rites do not represent a different faith, but rather testify to the one and the same Apostolic Faith of the Church in its different expressions.

The pope’s letter confirms that he allows the celebration according to the older form under certain conditions. He rightly points to the centrality of the Roman canon in the more recent Missal as the heart of the Roman rite. This guarantees the crucial continuity of the Roman liturgy in its essence, organic development, and inner unity. To be sure, one expects the lovers of the ancient liturgy to recognize the renewed liturgy; just as the followers of the Paul VI Missal also have to confess that the Mass according to the Missal of John XXIII is a true and valid Catholic liturgy, that is, it contains the substance of the Eucharist instituted by Christ and, therefore, there is and can only be “the one Mass of all times.”

A little more knowledge of Catholic dogmatics and the history of the liturgy could counteract the unfortunate formation of opposing parties and also save the bishops from the temptation to act in an authoritarian, loveless, and narrow-minded manner against the supporters of the “old” Mass. The bishops are appointed as shepherds by the Holy Spirit: “Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood.” (Acts 20, 28) They are not merely representatives of a central office – with opportunities for advancement. The good shepherd can be recognized by the fact that he worries more about the salvation of souls than recommending himself to a higher authority by subservient “good behavior.” (1 Peter 5, 1-4) If the law of non-contradiction still applies, one cannot logically castigate careerism in the Church and at the same time promote careerists.

Let us hope that the Congregations for Religious and for Divine Worship, with their new authority, do not become inebriated by power and think they have to wage a campaign of destruction against the communities of the old rite – in the foolish belief that by doing so they are rendering a service to the Church and promoting Vatican II.

If Traditionis Custodes is to serve the unity of the church, that can only mean a unity in faith, which enables us to “come to the perfect knowledge of the Son of God,” which is to say unity in truth and love. (cf. Eph 4, 12-15).

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Translated from the German by Robert Royal with Msgr. Hans Feichtinger.

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This is a quote from the article.

"Groups allowed to celebrate the old Latin Mass cannot use regular churches. Instead, bishops must find alternate locations for them without creating new parishes."


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Actually, the pope has let the decision to the local bishop, while I agree Francis is too progressive, Bishop Cordileone of San Francisco has said the Latin Mass will continue. But the Archdiocese of Newark has Cardin Tobin, I believe he will squash it. Conservative Catholics have already demonstrated outside the Cathedral for his liberal attitude on Seton Hall University Radio Station and the music they play.

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Actually, the pope has let the decision to the local bishop, while I agree Francis is too progressive, Bishop Cordileone of San Francisco has said the Latin Mass will continue. But the Archdiocese of Newark has Cardin Tobin, I believe he will squash it. Conservative Catholics have already demonstrated outside the Cathedral for his liberal attitude on Seton Hall University Radio Station and the music they play.

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Yes.... For Francis, saying a Mass in Latin is viewed as divisive, while everything he has done or said is considered as "progress" for church laity, appeasing external critics who would like to see the Catholic Church disappear.

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Looks like the Pope finally out his foot down.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/n ... 7ofxyyciw7lkdy-story.html

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Looks like the Pope finally out his foot down.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/n ... 7ofxyyciw7lkdy-story.html

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Reminder: Tenebrae tonight at 7:00 PM, OLS.

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..and Palm Sunday is 3:00 PM!

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Folks- the times given were for the choir to show up for warmups.

The actual times of the liturgies are below. Also, note that there is off street parking directly across from the church. The church is also walking distance from the Garfield Light Rail Station.


Feast of the Annunciation, Thursday, March 25, 5:00 PM, Sung Latin mass

Spy Wednesday, March 31, 7:00 PM, Tenebrae,(Sung Matins and Lauds, Victoria’s Responses Allegri’s Miserere) ‘

Maundy Thursday, April 1, 5:00 PM, Sung Latin Mass

Good Friday, April 2, 3:00 PM, Solemn Liturgy (Chanted
Passion, Improperia by Victoria, etc. followed by Street Procession

Holy Saturday, April 3rd, 10:30, Great Vigil of Easter

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March 21 - Passion Sunday - Meet at 2PM

P: O Sacred Head SG 22

O: O Vos CB 17

C: Adoramus Te by Dubois SG 190a

R: Stabat Mater SG 162a


March 25 at 5 PM - Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary

Meet at 4:30 + Rehearsal after Mass

Ave Maris Stella - Chant SG 201a

Missa IX Cum Jubilo / Credo

Ave Maria by Arcadelt

Dixit Maria by Hassler

Ave Regina Caelorum

Hail Holy Queen SG 83



March 28 - Palm Sunday (Joe, Victoria, Rebecca)

Blessing: Hosanna Filio David Chant

Distribution: Pueri Hebraeorum Chant

Procession: Gloria Laus et Honor Chant

P: Ingrediente CB 125

Mass XVII, Credo II (no Asperges)

O: Adoramus Te by Monteverdi

C: Allegri Miserere Abbreviated


April 1, Holy Thursday at 5 PM - Meet at 4 PM (Greta, Joanna)

Lotti Mass for Three Voices

Organ voluntary during Gloria

Ambrosian Gloria Chant SG 289

Per Signum Crucis CB 56

Ubi Caritas by Durufle

Pange Lingua chant in program


April 2, Good Friday at 3 PM - Meet at 2 PM (Joe, Greta,Rebecca, Joanna)

Victoria Passion Responses

Popule Meus by Victoria

Adoramus Te by Monteverdi

O Vos Omnes by Croce


April 3, Easter Vigil (with Greta, Rebecca and Joanna)

Meet at 9:30 PM

Monteverdi Mass Kyr/Glo/San, Benedictus (soloists: Victoria, Greta, Nick, Art)

Et Resurrexit by Monteverdi (Rebecca, Joanna)

Dextera Domini by Franck

Christus Vincit by Noyon (Victoria, Art)


April 11 - Low Sunday (with Victoria)

P: At The Lamb?s High Feast

Asperges is replaced with Vidi Aquam

Monteverdi Mass

O: Ad C?nam Agni Providi (Program)

Agnus Dei from Mass I - Lux et Origo

C: Quia Vidisti Me Thoma by Hassler

Marian Antiphon: Regina Caeli

R: Regina Caeli by Soriano

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