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Re: USA added to list of persecuted Christians
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The anti Christian animus (and ignorance) exhibited by Brewster et al is, I think, the type of "soft persecution" of Christianity that the study means. It is is a bit of a stretch in a way- Christians in America certainly are not being beheaded as in Islamic countries, or put in internment camps as in Marxist states (N. Korea, China, Cuba, Venezuela). But the Enlighten critique of Christianity in many forms is now a sort of base prejudice.
The sexual abuse scandal is particularly interesting. While a few of the cases occurred under the pre Vatican II Church where a few notorious pedophiles flew under the radar and, as pedophiles do, were outsmarted based on institutional weaknesses, the overwhelming number of victims occurred in the new Church of Vatican II which largely tries to ape the larger world and accept its values. Chastity, virginity, penance- were forgotten and our shared values of concern for the poor, downtrodden, forgotten etc became all rather than only a part of the religion. Half celibates left for marriage. A certain portion that remained holy orders started watching TV and there were no longer any regulations- they could dress like laymen, travel on vacations etc. The habits of monks were denigrated. Is it any wonder that religious began acting out sexually?
In the early 1970s, the Catholic Traditionalist press, e.g. The Remnant, was apoplectic that certain priests were predatory homosexuals seeking to seduce adolescent boys. Cardinals and bishops were implicated, e.g. Cardinal Bernadine, Bishop Hubbard, etc. Letter writing campaigns were organized. Press conferences were called. Nothing happened! Instead, the press lionized these churchman who were all arch liberals. That is why Spotlight, the movie, and the like, is such BS. Yes, the Times did a service bringing light to the victims- but it was after years of being complicit in the cover-up. Moreover, when people began to put 2 + 2 together so that they saw that this was a homosexual phenomenon, not a pedophile phenomenon, the NY Times et al, got very defensive and skittish.
This continues today. Pope Francis is an enable of predatory homosexual priests of the first order. These degenerate men are now in power all throughout the Church and are engaged in a Stalinist campaign to destroy anyone who tries to stop them.
Francis ' household is run by Monsignor Ricca a convicted predatory homosexual and patron of gigolos. The famous "who am I to judge" statement of the Pope was made when reporters asked how he could have such a man run his household. Think of it. Ricca controls everyone who comes and goes at the Casa Marta. He is also in charge of the Vatican Bank. Other high profile predatory homosexuals (or protectors of same) include Cardinals McCarrick, Daneels, Mahoney, Kasper, Marx. LOL, Cardinal Daneels is on video tape haranguing a young man for the temerity to bring criminal charges against his uncle who as bishop had sodomized him as a teenager! The MSM will not talk about this because all of these church men deny Christ and everything Christ means. They are the trojan horse that has destroyed the church.
Penultimately, just for context, Stalinism killed many times more people than were victims of any Christian persecution. http://waitbutwhy.com/2013/08/the-dea ... comparison-breakdown.html

A respected estimate of the vicitms of the Spanish Inquisition is 30,000. His work on The Spanish Inquisition is published by Yale University Press (Fourth Edition, 2014). Kamen’s research has led him to conclude: “We can in all probability accept the estimate, made on the basis of available documentation, that a maximum of three thousand persons may have suffered death during the entire history of the tribunal” (p. 253). Kamen’s estimates may be too low, but they represent the general perspective of contemporary scholar. On the other hand, Stalin is estimate to have had 20 million victims. http://www.nytimes.com/1989/02/04/wor ... as-victims-of-stalin.html. Now the most recent stats I can find for Christians is 2013 1,123 Christians were reported to have been killed during the 12 months ending Oct. 31, 2013. https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2014/01/2935607/
Finally, on the sexual abuse of minors, it is all so curious. Our culture does all it can to destroy the innocence of children. The very idea of what psychologists used to call the latency period, or period after infantile sexual development and before adolescence is now ridiculed. Children, we are told, will decide their own sexual ethic and parameters among themselves. Along the way, they will be surrounded by hypersexualized models (Disney princesses) and play with dildos mandatged middle school sex ed. The age of consent is being lowered to 14!https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2 ... cia-hewitt-age-of-consent Our heads spin at homosexual sex scandal after scandal- from Sandusky (who actually was probably a true pedophile), to Canadian Youth Hockey, to pro football in England (soccer), to American Little League, etc.
Anyway, this is pissing into the wind because the antichristian have an incredible inability to admit their prejudice.
For anyone interested in more on the homosexual infiltration of the Catholic church consider Saint Damian's The Book of Gommorah, and, more recently, Randy Engel's Rites of Sodomy and Goodby Good Men by Michael Ros

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I think the fat slob should stick to her parking lot crusade. I bet if a GLBT group pitched in to build a parking lot, she'd become their best friends. Life must be so tough for the multi-millionaire "oppressed", white Catholic.

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Baloney, JerseyMom, no straight man has the desire to have sex with another man. It is gay men entering the seminary who is violating their oath as priests. People heads here must be spinning. First the Church is blamed for not being tolerated of gays, then the church is rightfully blamed for the sex abuse. But it is gay men entering the seminary that has violated this sacred trust. You are playing the game of rationalization, Jersey Mom.

By the way, this International group that makes this list has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Which just shows the hate people here has for the Church. The immediate response is to attack the Catholic Church. One of the reason the USA made the list is due to the Orlando attack. A gay Muslim killed people in a nightclub and Christians were blame.

Let me repeat, an independent group not associated with the Catholic Church created this list.


FACTS:

1. Girls were victims of molestation by male Catholic priests
2. Girls tended to be younger than boy victims
3. Catholic nuns were involved in molestation claims

Sex Abuse in the Church - Girls were Victims, Too

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Baloney, JerseyMom, no straight man has the desire to have sex with another man. It is gay men entering the seminary who is violating their oath as priests. People heads here must be spinning. First the Church is blamed for not being tolerated of gays, then the church is rightfully blamed for the sex abuse. But it is gay men entering the seminary that has violated this sacred trust. You are playing the game of rationalization, Jersey Mom.

By the way, this International group that makes this list has nothing to do with the Catholic Church. Which just shows the hate people here has for the Church. The immediate response is to attack the Catholic Church. One of the reason the USA made the list is due to the Orlando attack. A gay Muslim killed people in a nightclub and Christians were blame.

Let me repeat, an independent group not associated with the Catholic Church created this list.

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Luckily, the rules in the Vatican has changed, gay men cannot enter the seminary to become priests.

Huh? When were gay men ever allowed to become priests?

And you do know that the problem was not limited to same-sex abuse?

That being said, the real problem was that the RCC chose to protect priests, rather than protect communities. That is less likely to happen today than ~15 years ago.


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Still the USA does deserves this inclusion.

For what, exactly?

• The report cites alleged anti-Christian bias in the media. Given that 70% of Americans are Christian, that is obviously more hyper-sensitivity than anything else.

• It cites several examples of state and federal governments enforcing the separation of church and state. That is hardly as bad as Saudi Arabia arresting Christians for proselytization.

• It says that Americans voluntarily eschewing organized religion is somehow anti-Christian.

• It chides "court decisions" for basically not going how this organization wants. *cough* Obergefell

Sorry, but this is a bunch of BS, and does not serve the organization's mission. When it comes to evaluations of persecution, I'll stick to Amnesty International, kthx.


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Luckily, the rules in the Vatican has changed, gay men cannot enter the seminary to become priests. Since everyone here is stating people are "born that way" that means the sexual abuse were committed by gays and not straight men or whatever political correct term is used to described men who have no desire to have sex with men/boys. Still the USA does deserves this inclusion.


Yvonne, I'm trying to be patient, I really am. With all respect (and zero sarcasm) I understand you are an older person and may have views that are reflective of your time. I get that. But you really do have to look to irrefutable facts and science and grow a bit in your knowledge. You still maintain the ability to learn. Please try. If you still believe that "gay" priests were the cause of the abhorrent molestations in Catholic churches, you are really wrong. You have to understand how this works. Try to start here:

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As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).

To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men's sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-male molestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men's abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don't implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator's sexual orientation.

The distinction between a victim's gender and a perpetrator's sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don't really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

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Luckily, the rules in the Vatican has changed, gay men cannot enter the seminary to become priests. Since everyone here is stating people are "born that way" that means the sexual abuse were committed by gays and not straight men or whatever political correct term is used to described men who have no desire to have sex with men/boys. Still the USA does deserves this inclusion.

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An international group that list the Hall of Shame of countries that persecute Christians has added the USA to the Hall of Shame list for the first time.
http://www.persecution.org/persecutio ... 20of%20Shame%20Report.pdf


Here's your real Hall of Shame...

3,400 sexual abuse cases
That’s how many credible cases of abuse had been referred to the Vatican from 2004 to 2014, according to the Vatican’s U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi. There were an estimated 410,000 Catholic priests around the world in 2014, the Catholic News Service reported.

2,572 priests sentenced to a lifetime of penance
Another 848 over the last decade had been defrocked, according to Tomasi. The others were sentenced to penance and other mild religious sentences.

Pope Benedict XVI defrocked 384 priests in 2 years
The former Pope, who resigned in 2013, essentially fired 384 of those priests in the last two years of his pontificate.

Majority of priests’ victims were male
American Catholic priests were shown to have a distinct pattern of sexual abuse, with 64 percent of all allegations of abuse made against a priest by a male only, according to a detailed report by the John Jay Institute investigating child abuse in the Catholic Church from 1950 to 2002. Those males were young: more than 85 percent of them were 8 to 10 years old.

$150,747,387
That’s how much the Catholic Church in the U.S. spent between July 2013 and June 2014 on costs “related to child protection efforts and to allegations of clergy sexual abuse of minors…” according to an annual survey by Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

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10/10 ... That backfired on Yvonne's ass ... it's no wonder church numbers are down and churches are being sold and bulldozed for redevelopment, and to pay for law-suits against them.

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An international group that list the Hall of Shame of countries that persecute Christians has added the USA to the Hall of Shame list for the first time.
http://www.persecution.org/persecutio ... 20of%20Shame%20Report.pdf


Here's your real Hall of Shame...

3,400 sexual abuse cases
That’s how many credible cases of abuse had been referred to the Vatican from 2004 to 2014, according to the Vatican’s U.N. ambassador in Geneva, Archbishop Silvano Tomasi. There were an estimated 410,000 Catholic priests around the world in 2014, the Catholic News Service reported.

2,572 priests sentenced to a lifetime of penance
Another 848 over the last decade had been defrocked, according to Tomasi. The others were sentenced to penance and other mild religious sentences.

Pope Benedict XVI defrocked 384 priests in 2 years
The former Pope, who resigned in 2013, essentially fired 384 of those priests in the last two years of his pontificate.

Majority of priests’ victims were male
American Catholic priests were shown to have a distinct pattern of sexual abuse, with 64 percent of all allegations of abuse made against a priest by a male only, according to a detailed report by the John Jay Institute investigating child abuse in the Catholic Church from 1950 to 2002. Those males were young: more than 85 percent of them were 8 to 10 years old.

$150,747,387
That’s how much the Catholic Church in the U.S. spent between July 2013 and June 2014 on costs “related to child protection efforts and to allegations of clergy sexual abuse of minors…” according to an annual survey by Georgetown University’s Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA).

Source

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ROFLOL!!! Christians have been the persecutors so long they think being a tiny bit less dominant means they're being persecuted! The country is 83% Christian. All that has happened is just a little less of you being generally allowed to push your religion in the faces of the religious minorities. Boohoo.

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An international group that list the Hall of Shame of countries that persecute Christians has added the USA to the Hall of Shame list for the first time.
http://www.persecution.org/persecutio ... 20of%20Shame%20Report.pdf

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