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if they were anti black how many of us non blacks would show up to show the blacks some support? If your not gay why are you so concerned! And some of you cowards think those high school kids are animals and you hope they vent out on the protesters! God Knows YOUR Heart!
Posted on: 2009/10/20 17:28
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For those interested in doing something....
http://www.phelps-a-thon.com/Home.html
Posted on: 2009/10/20 16:45
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You know that old saying "If a tree falls in the forest and no one was there to hear it"? Same applies here. Don't waste your time with these people.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 16:26
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I'll be there, with the sign that says "God Loves Everyone, even the ignorant rednecks standing behind me"
Posted on: 2009/10/20 16:22
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I work from ten in the morning until about midnight that day, but I'm still thinking about ducking out and walking up the hill and seeing just what goes down.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 15:59
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As hard to handle as chopsticks.
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Im totally in, let me know if it's a go so I can get off early from work
Posted on: 2009/10/20 15:48
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Exactly. It's best to completely ignore these idiots.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 15:21
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Yeah, OK. Totally trollin'. Whatever. Ugh.
Anyways, I wouldn't mind seeing a bunch of bed sheets sewn together and strung up on poles to be used as a censor when they come to town.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 15:03
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Alas, I have to work, but I think it's a brilliant idea. Even if no one shows up, I still think the most effective way to deal with these lunatics is to simply ignore them - they want to upset people and they crave attention. Imagine if everyone just acted as though they were invisible and the media ignored them. For them, that would be the worst possible outcome, but for us, that would be the best way to reduce them to the insignificance they deserve. The First Amendment is non-negotiable as far as I'm concerned. They do have a right to air their views, no matter how distasteful they are. That doesn't mean, though, they're entitled to our attention.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 14:58
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[img http://picasaweb.google.com/BrendanWe ... andom#5394695245074980930[/img]
Check out the guy in the middle. I have had disagreements with both FTF and WSFY in the past, but nothing like a common enemy to bring people together.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 14:54
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a "Phelps-A-Thon" has been set up for Jersey City and Rutgers. (for every sighting of a protest, donate a dollar to a gay-rights group, or something else that makes the crazies crazier)
here's an email from Chris at Phelps-A-Thon I've set up a Phelps-A-Thon for the protest in Jersey City and one for the protest at Rutgers Hillel. For Dickinson High School, I think it be great for the donated funds to go to the Student Council. They can decided from there the best way to use the money. For Rutgers Hillel it makes sense to have the funds go right to the Hillel. Let me know if you'd like others set up and where the funds should go. http://Phelps-A-Thon.com You can make this a huge Phelps-A-Thon (like the one in Indiana a couple week ago where they raised over $7000) if you get the word out. It's all about publicity and directing people to the Phelps-A-Thon website. Get the word (and link) out on email listserves, blogs, facebook, letters-to-the-editor, however you can. The more people that know about it, the more that will pledge, and the more you can raise for the exact same thing WBC is coming to protest against. It is beautifully poetic. Let me know if you have any questions or need anything. Chris
Posted on: 2009/10/20 14:49
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I'll speak to my peeps at Dickinson this afternoon and see how many I can get.
In the meantime, let's see how much support we can build here to turn our backs on the hate. 50 of us would send a powerful message. 100 would be a great victory for Jersey City, in my opinion. Who's in?
Posted on: 2009/10/20 13:59
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Yes, clearly your instigating ppl for no reason other than to be heard.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 13:41
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I like the turn-your-back approach (the "other cheek", as it were.) Think enough people could show up to surround (and obscure) them?
Posted on: 2009/10/20 13:39
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Wow -- amazing.
The arguers here agree with 99% of each others' positions but have spent their time hurling invective at each other over the 1% that they do happen to disagree upon. Might I suggest a truce so we can get down to figuring out what to do about the Westboro Baptist Church? There is no disagreement that Jersey City citizens have a right to counter-protest. Let's decide how we're going to do that. While the funny signs are good -- for these insidious people, I think a straight-up turn-your-back protest is the best. This is where we, the residents, simply turn around and face away from the hatemongers. It robs them of what they want most of all: our attention and our anger. We are giving them nothing but the signal that they do not even warrant a response other than to be ignored. Images of this sort of protest have proved powerful over the years. It was employed beautifully by a bunch of folks at George W. Bush's first inauguration parade. I know at least a few Dickinson students that would join in, too. What do y'all think?
Posted on: 2009/10/20 13:34
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i cant believe this turned into a first amendment argument. protected by the first amendment or not, these people should have their heads chopped off.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 13:34
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Not necessarily. In Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the First Amendment does not protect "fighting words -- those which by their very utterance inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace." (315 U.S. 568, 572 [1942]). Although it has rarely been relied on as the basis for a decision upholding an abridgement of free speech, it does exist as precedent. Given the extreme emotional distress that can exist at a funeral and the likelihood that any jury made up of human beings would find such a protest completely over the line, I don't think I'd want to take my chances if I were inclined to do something as asinine as protest at someone's funeral.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 12:55
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And why would that be true? Private schools don't have public sidewalks in front of them? Private institutions are picketed all the time. In Kansas, there are all sorts of accommodations that are made for these very people to permanently protest at Planned Parenthood facilities.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 12:38
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Anti-gay church plans 4 protests in Hudson
Tuesday, October 20, 2009 A controversial religious group plans to hold protests in Hoboken, Jersey City and Secaucus next week. Westboro Baptist Church, of Topeka, Kan., is known for protesting military funerals, contending that combat deaths are God's vengeance for allowing gays in the armed forces. The group will hold 12 protests across the state Oct. 27 and 28, with four stops in Hudson County. The first protest is planned for Hoboken City Hall, at 94 Washington St., from 4:45 to 5:15 p.m. on Oct. 27. The next stop later that day is United Synagogue of Hoboken, at 115 Park Ave., from 7 to 7:30 p.m. On Oct. 28, the group plans to protest outside the Meadowlands Expo Center, at 355 Plaza Drive in Secaucus, from 10:15 to 11 a.m. The New Jersey protests conclude later that day in Jersey City outside of Dickinson High School, at 2 Palisade Ave., from 2:55 to 3:30 p.m. The Hoboken and Secaucus events are part of the "Just Say No to Goyum/Hebrew Criminal Enterprises Tour," according to the organization's Web site. The site references the 44 people arrested as part of a federal corruption and money laundering sting. Among those charged were Hoboken Mayor Peter Cammarano and Secaucus Mayor Dennis Elwell, both of whom resigned. Those charged were linked by a cooperating witness, Solomon Dwek, a bankrupt real estate mogul from a prominent Jewish family in Deal. The Web site did not indicate why the group is protesting at Dickinson High School. Jersey City police spokesman Stan Eason said on behalf of Police Chief Tom Comey: "They have filed all the necessary paperwork and if they comply with the law there should be no problem. People do have their First Amendment rights, but with those rights comes great responsibility. Whatever occurs that day, we're prepared." MELISSA HAYES
Posted on: 2009/10/20 12:28
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I totally agree. If you stand up at a funeral and yell "The dead guy was an a**hole" you are rude and stupid but your speech is protected. If you stand up and yell "fire" when there is none in order to cause panic your speech is not protected. In either case if someone punches you they are screwed legally. Go figure.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 4:42
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flying_the_flannel wrote: If you counter protest with a great deal of humor, it kind of makes them look stupid.  [/img]
Posted on: 2009/10/20 4:14
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Are you saying I'm trolling?
Posted on: 2009/10/20 4:11
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Posted on: 2009/10/20 4:03
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Insults over a response again. Listen, I've already addressed the violence concern. If someone's violent, clearly they should be dealt with. Besides that, their assembly is absolutely protected and it's not close. Sorry.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:29
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Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:25
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I'm sorry you feel the need to insult instead of respond to my point. Maybe you will do so at another time. To be fair, I wouldn't be able to respond to it, either. If you're not being violent, it's a peaceful assembly.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:23
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Clown nose, bro.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:16
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How are they not being peaceful? If someone is being violent, they absolutely should be prosecuted. Until then... their speech and assembly is protected, sorry.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:15
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By the way, just so you don't think you're getting my guff (should that be your intention), I've been wearing a foam rubber clown nose for the past fifteen minutes.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:15
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Well, the First Amendment clearly reads...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Like I said, yeah, freedom of speech, say whatever stupid shit you want. But crashing a funeral is NOT "peaceably assembling". And if you honestly think so, well I can do nothing but pity you.
Posted on: 2009/10/20 3:00
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