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so would I mon ami -- stayed at the Vendome last time I was there and had an awesome time, but the point of the article as well as the post about Hoboken's buildings and implementation of its program is that it makes sense to integrate downtown urban areas with a cross-section of people of various economic levels for a variety of reasons. Just because someone makes say $200K does not mean they have class, are clean, have values and exhibit ideal behavior; and likewise just because someone makes $35K does not mean they are low-class, rude, prone to criminality, dirty, etc. A la prochaine.

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I'd rather live in the Paris building; Nashville building looks tacky!

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"It?s an effort to make Nashville seem more cosmopolitan, trying to get middle-class people to move back in the city,? Mr. Fraser said. ?But there?s something to be said for having a mix of incomes in a neighborhood as it relates to democracy,? he said, noting that redevelopment could eventually displace longtime residents."

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here's housing project in paris that i wouldn't mind living in.

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I think it was SHoP architects that worked out a rather amazing redevelopment plan for the housing projects in Hoboken. It would more efficiently use the land, blend them together with market rate housing, add retail components, green space, and increase the density of the back side of Hoboken. I'm not sure if there is any long term plan to enact such a redevelopment, but it was an impressive master plan.

The problem with concentrating subsidized housing and government owned project housing is that it creates places like the housing authority towers on Montgomery street that are basically dead zones between neighborhoods. Project housing built in the midcentury often took the shape of Modernist architectural stylings inspired by the works of people like Le Corbusier. While at the time they were new and experimental, they failed in a lot of ways.

Primarily, midcentury project housing was isolated from jobs, transportation and opportunity. They were often built without any retail at all, including the basic services the residents needed. Finally, the layout of these projects, while creating "green" space, failed to integrate with the urban landscape; they created parks that non-residents were and still are unwilling to enter, for obvious reasons and disrupt the streetscape.

As the projects aged, and conservative politics pressured federal and state governments to reduce spending, the existing projects were not maintained. Its easy to cut spending on basic maintenance to marginalized populations with no recourse.

Integrated income housing solves nearly all of these problems. By creating affordable housing on site, the people most in need of jobs have access to them. Transportation is readily available. Instead of being surrounded by other poor people, their are aspirational role models all around. They have access to shops, groceries, and other services. And because they are privately owned, the landlord has incentives to properly maintain the units or risk devaluing the other units in the building.

Moving affordable housing offsite only serves to defer the problem of wealth disparity and poverty. I know that's what the older generations have been very good at.

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"Downtown should ?not just be ethnically diverse, but socio-economically diverse,? Donnelly said"

In other words, Downtown should be more like the Third World dump that the rest of the city is.


Hoboken is filled with affordable housing and is far from a "Third World dump". Crime is lower over there then in Downtown JC. It works because in stead of everyone being put in one area they are spread out all around the city. The only problem area in Hoboken is their housing projects on Jackson, Harrison and Marshall Drive and it is the only area with a large concentration of poor residents. At the same time that projects is probably one of the largest left in the state and has only a fraction of the crime some of the smaller ones such as Booker T in Downtown has. Whats the difference? Hoboken patrols their projects regularly has cameras stationed all over, makes guest sign in, kicks out anyone convicted for selling drugs, and charges non residents with trespassing if they are not signed in. But Hoboken also has another projects that has barely no crime that many forget is even there, it is only two buildings and surrounded by condos.

Now the many applied housing sites around Hoboken have very little crime at all. Why? Because the majority work for a living and criminals are quickly kicked out if they live there.






This is all the different forms of affordable housing in Hoboken. The number after the "R" is the number of units .


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Hoboken Housing Authority 400 Harrison St 326 vouchers Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 vouchers

1118 Adams St Apts FAM R 90 1119 Adams St Apt (201) 420-7706 Bal Hsg / MtL

Adams St Apts 1118 Adams St FAM R 90 Adams St Apts (201) 420-7706 tax credits

Andrew Jackson Grds 400 Marshall Dr mixed R 598 Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 Public Housing

C Columbus Gardens 460 8th St/455 9th St FAM R 97 Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 Public Housing

Caparra Homes 86 Grand St FAM R 40 City of Hoboken (201) 420-2245 Section 8

Church Square South 126-209 Willow Av FAM R 81 Applied Housing (201) 217-9893 Section 8

Clock Tower Apts 300 Adams St mixed R 173 Clock Tower Apts (201) 963-4640 Section 8

Columbian Arms 514-26 Madison St AGE R 67 Columbian Arms (201) 659-8894 Section 202 / Bal Hsg

Columbian Towers 76 Bloomfield St AGE R 135 Columbia Towers (201) 795-1144 Section 202

Eastview Apts 58-72 Washington St FAM R 79 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 221

Elysian Estates 1300-12 Washington St FAM R 56 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 221

Fox Hill Gardens 311 13th St AGE R 200 Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 Public Housing

Grogan Marineview Plaza Third & Hudson Sts FAM R 432 Marineview Housing (201) 798-1800 HMFA

Harrison Gardens Jackson St & Harrison St FAM R 208 Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 Public Housing

Hudson Square South 201-15 Hudson St FAM R 154 Applied Housing Mgt (Hoboken) (201) 963-3194 tax credits

James Monroe Gardens 221 Jackson St AGE R 125 Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 Public Housing

John Adams Gardens 220 Adams St AGE R 125 Hoboken Housing Authority (201) 798-0370 Public Housing

Marian Towers 400 First St AGE R 154 Marian Towers (201) 653-7788 HMFA / Section 236 / tax credits

Northvale Apts 1 Clinton & 11th FAM R 138 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 236

Northvale Apts 2 105 13th St, 314 9th St, 725-832 Willow FAM R 134 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 236

Northvale Apts 3A 215 13th St FAM R 70 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 221

Northvale Apts 3B 50-56 11th St FAM R 82 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 221

Northvale Apts 4 58 11th St FAM R 11 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 221

Observer Park Apts 50 Bloomfield St & 51 Garden St FAM R 23 Applied Housing Mgt (Hoboken) (201) 217-9893 tax credits

Project Uplift 800-12 Willow Av FAM R 54 Elaires Corp (201) 798-5889 Section 221

Westview Apts 55-75 Bloomfield Av FAM R 116 Applied Housing (201) 963-3194 Section 221

YMCA of Hoboken, single room occupancy FAM R BMDS HOUSING LLC (201) 963-4100 Bal Hsg

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Can someone clarify - was it stipulated in the original agreement that the affordable housing would be for artists or is the PADNA statement just expressing their preference for who might occupy these units?

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110 is the lot behind Athena, not the same as 111 First.

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what happened to the koolhaas design for 111? bait and switch?

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Powerhouse Arts Districts group objects to Jersey City's affordable-housing plan for 110 First St.

Thursday, May 10, 2012, 4:40 PM
Terrence T. McDonald/The Jersey Journal

The Powerhouse Arts District Neighborhood Association this afternoon released a statement emphasizing its objection to a Jersey City plan to eliminate the affordable-housing requirement for a planned tower at 110 First St.

The property, which is set to be a 35-story retail and residential tower, is supposed to have 25 affordable units, but Lloyd Goldman, the property owner, has asked the city to allow him to contribute to the city?s Affordable Housing Trust Fund instead.

The City Council last night was set to vote on an agreement with Goldman that would have erased the affordable-housing obligation, which Goldman agreed to in 2006. But the city, which backed the measure, withdrew it at the last minute after it became clear that the council majority was leaning toward defeating it.

PADNA board member Kevin Pollack said in a statement that the proposal was drawn up without thought toward ?the long-term impact? it would have on the Powerhouse Arts District.

Pollack said PADNA supports on-site affordable housing for 110 First St., and for the planned tower at 111 First St., which is also owned by Goldman.

?Moving affordable housing out of the project and into other neighborhoods only works to segregate the city more than it already has been,? he said. ?The PAD is supposed to be an artist community and without affordable housing it's difficult for artists to live in the community, and then we are nothing but an artist neighborhood by name and name only.?

The two lots are the former locations of historic warehouses, one of which housed an artists enclave until 2005. The city?s 2006 agreement with Goldman came on the condition that the city eliminate certain height and density limits it had previously wanted to put on the two planned towers.

Corporation Counsel Bill Matsikoudis has urged the council to accept the revised deal with Goldman, saying it would be the only way to get construction moving on the tower. Developers who would otherwise partner with Goldman refuse when they learn there must be 25 affordable units, according to Matsikoudis.

Mayor Jerramiah Healy said today that job creation and the creation of affordable housing are both primary goals of his administration, and they would be realized if the 110 First St. project begins construction soon.

?We hope that this project can move forward in the very near future so that this land that has lain fallow for the past five years is turned into a productive parcel for the city,? he said.

In his statement, Pollack said 110 First St. is a ?prime? location, and disputed Matsikoudis? claim that it will remain vacant if the council doesn?t agree with Goldman?s terms.

?Someone will build there without being given the key to the city,? he said.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _arts_districts_grou.html

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Affordable housing should be offered to anyone in a lottery system. What happens to those who can't afford the luxury building but also don't quality for affordable housing?


If they want affordable housing so badly then they can ask their employer to reduce their salary.

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Affordable housing should be offered to anyone in a lottery system. What happens to those who can't afford the luxury building but also don't quality for affordable housing?

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It is clear that this is a sensitive subject and that there are two cities here. There is the city of downtown and the city of jersey city. If the rest of the city is a dump as crazychester pointed out, then keep your developers and developments on your side. Please ignore the fact that we even exist. We have survived many years this way anyway.


I believe many on my side would agree on this.
The issue here is really the opposite of what the residents of downtown are stating here.
Offsite means you are making a deal with a developer who will bring in great development, nice new commercial spaces and then you send out off-site crappy developments over our way. NO THANK YOU! Keep them. Or make the developer conform to what the city wants so he doesn't have to have affordables. YOu can't have your cake and eat it too.

Ward F and Ward A residents take note please. This has happened way too long and that is why people have the opinion that we live in a "dump". The people that we elect need to represent our area. Just as Steve Fulop has so well represented Ward E. We lack a force like this.

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"Downtown should ?not just be ethnically diverse, but socio-economically diverse,? Donnelly said"

In other words, Downtown should be more like the Third World dump that the rest of the city is.

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Why do they "delay" rather than "reject"? Is the city's only recourse denial of permission to build or is he breaking a contract that allows for additional penalties?

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...and here is the JJ piece ...


Jersey City withdraws request to abolish affordable-housing requirement in First Street tower

Published: Wednesday, May 09, 2012, 10:37 PM Updated: Wednesday, May 09, 2012, 10:45 PM

By Terrence T. McDonald/The Jersey Journal

The Jersey City City Council tonight delayed voting on a city-backed measure that would have abolished the affordable-housing requirement in a proposed 35-story retail and residential tower planned for the Powerhouse Arts District.

A handful of council members rejected the city?s argument that construction on the tower, located at 110 First St., would be delayed indefinitely unless the city removes the requirement.

Lloyd Goldman, the property owner, agreed in 2006 to include 25 affordable units in the 452-unit tower in exchange for the city waiving certain height and density requirements. But city officials say Goldman cannot find anyone to agree to partner with him to develop the tower unless there are zero on-site affordable units.

In return, Goldman has pledged to pay $2.5 million to the city?s Affordable Housing Trust Fund so the units could be built elsewhere, but council members tonight said they want the units on-site, or at least Downtown.

Ward B Councilman David Donnelly said affordable housing should not be ?concentrated? in certain areas of the city.

Downtown should ?not just be ethnically diverse, but socio-economically diverse,? Donnelly said, adding that $2.5 million would not pay for 25 affordable units anywhere in the city.

Ward E Councilman Steve Fulop, meanwhile, said the city caving on its original agreement with Goldman would signal to other developers that the city is willing to strike down other affordable-housing requirements.

"The developers know that the city doesn?t have a backbone,? Fulop said. ?They know that once you change this, you change the next one, and the next one and the next one.?


Corporation Counsel Bill Matsikoudis argued that the council should approve the measure, saying Goldman would agree to start construction within six months in exchange for the council eliminating the affordable-housing requirement.

But in the end Matsikoudis, who said he was reluctant at first to make the new deal with Goldman, agreed to withdraw the measure from consideration after it became clear that it would not have passed.

Goldman also owns 111 First St., which was once the home of a historic warehouse and artists enclave and is also slated for a residential tower. He donated $2,000 to Mayor Jerramiah Healy?s 2009 campaign, and $1,000 to Healy?s 2009 slate of council candidates.

JJ piece....

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ty_withdraws_request.html

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Resolution was withdrawn under severe questioning from some council members. City will go back to the table.

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I'm very up front as to what I know and what I don't - that is why I am asking questions about affordable housing.

In NYC, rent stabilized apartments are passed on from generation to generation. I hope that is not the case and if Jerseycitynj is correct, then it is not the case which is good.

Affordable housing is very much needed in all areas. However, I stand by my statement that tenants should not live there permanently. There should be an urgent need to find the means to find a place in the free market.

I hope everyone here knows that affordable housing decreases the number of units rented or sold under free market conditions which actually increases the price of other units that are not classified as "affordable housing"

Even so, I'm for a limited number of affordable housing units as long as there is a reasonable time limit to the occupants and it is not passed on from generation to generation.


You obviously don't understand the difference between subsidized housing and rent control and rent stabilization. Please educate yourself on these differences before continuing to make big, bold claims.

Second, there is not #OOPS#ing free market in housing unless you strip away zoning laws. Limits on density, historic preservation, parking space minimums, zoning limitations on businesses, yard size, lot size, or any other restriction that protects existing homeowners all act to artificially inflate the price of housing; as long as there are these controls, the free market is not at work and low income housing will not be the natural product.

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I'm very up front as to what I know and what I don't - that is why I am asking questions about affordable housing.

In NYC, rent stabilized apartments are passed on from generation to generation. I hope that is not the case and if Jerseycitynj is correct, then it is not the case which is good.

Affordable housing is very much needed in all areas. However, I stand by my statement that tenants should not live there permanently. There should be an urgent need to find the means to find a place in the free market.

I hope everyone here knows that affordable housing decreases the number of units rented or sold under free market conditions which actually increases the price of other units that are not classified as "affordable housing"

Even so, I'm for a limited number of affordable housing units as long as there is a reasonable time limit to the occupants and it is not passed on from generation to generation.

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This is my point and I hope my fellow WARD F'rs agree:

DOWNTOWN JC KEEP YOUR AFFORDABLES IN DOWNTOWN!DON'T SEND YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO WARD F, WE HAVE ALREADY MET OUR QUOTA. KEEP THEM WITH YOU WHERE THEY BELONG.



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I am not the one so passionate about affordable housing. If you think these are basic questions, please help me answer them:

1) Is there yearly verification to make sure that those who are living in affordable housing still qualify for subsidized housing?

2) Are these subsidized apartments inherited? Ie. What if the original owner passes away, does the son/daughter get the apartment at a subsidized rate?

The people living in affordable housing should be TRANSIENT residents and not permanent residents. If they live in affordable housing permanently, then society has failed them.

If you think there should be no yearly verification and that these subsidized units should be passed on from what generation to the next then you are out of your mind.

I said the thing about physicians because one of the aims seems to maintain "artists" in the area. I'm asking why? What inherent value do artists bring that is not equaled or surpassed by physicians?

Yes, developers are getting a sweet deal. Can you attract developers without those sweet deals? If not, then would you rather want undeveloped areas in JC?
What is it about affordable housing you are "not so passionate" about?

Is your response a joke ?? Read all the responses and you will understand the reasoning behind it all.

I did and I can't find any good reasons it mostly seems like a lot of people that do not like it do not have a clear reason for why. If you seem to know the answer then what is it?

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I am not the one so passionate about affordable housing. If you think these are basic questions, please help me answer them:

1) Is there yearly verification to make sure that those who are living in affordable housing still qualify for subsidized housing?

2) Are these subsidized apartments inherited? Ie. What if the original owner passes away, does the son/daughter get the apartment at a subsidized rate?

The people living in affordable housing should be TRANSIENT residents and not permanent residents. If they live in affordable housing permanently, then society has failed them.

If you think there should be no yearly verification and that these subsidized units should be passed on from what generation to the next then you are out of your mind.

I said the thing about physicians because one of the aims seems to maintain "artists" in the area. I'm asking why? What inherent value do artists bring that is not equaled or surpassed by physicians?

Yes, developers are getting a sweet deal. Can you attract developers without those sweet deals? If not, then would you rather want undeveloped areas in JC?
What is it about affordable housing you are "not so passionate" about?

Is your response a joke ?? Read all the responses and you will understand the reasoning behind it all.

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I am not the one so passionate about affordable housing. If you think these are basic questions, please help me answer them:

1) Is there yearly verification to make sure that those who are living in affordable housing still qualify for subsidized housing?

2) Are these subsidized apartments inherited? Ie. What if the original owner passes away, does the son/daughter get the apartment at a subsidized rate?

The people living in affordable housing should be TRANSIENT residents and not permanent residents. If they live in affordable housing permanently, then society has failed them.

If you think there should be no yearly verification and that these subsidized units should be passed on from what generation to the next then you are out of your mind.

I said the thing about physicians because one of the aims seems to maintain "artists" in the area. I'm asking why? What inherent value do artists bring that is not equaled or surpassed by physicians?

Yes, developers are getting a sweet deal. Can you attract developers without those sweet deals? If not, then would you rather want undeveloped areas in JC?
What is it about affordable housing you are "not so passionate" about?

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Thanks ianmac47. Did they say how often reexamination occurs?

Every year before the leases are drawn up. Pay stubs, W2, bank account, etc are all evaluated.

Also for those of you that seem not to understand affordable housing, you also need to be finger printed and take a back round check. Not all that qualify are "poor" either many nurses, teachers and cops live in affordable housing buildings. So if that apartment is valued at $2500 you can still fall under affordable housing if 30% of your household income is less then the value of the apartment, so it usually is a mix not just minimum wage earners.

Affordable housing like many programs like welfare and housing projects are misunderstood and a lot is assumed which isn't true. For example many residents in housing projects work and aren't on welfare like I have read on here before. A good amount of posters on here seem to think most poor people are on welfare and section 8 when in reality you can only be on welfare 5 years and section 8 has a waiting list so long they are no longer taking applications. Their are less people that have these programs then you think.

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http://franklinluxurycondos.com/summitheights.html

If I understand this correctly - Seems to be built already with previous $2,500,000 contribution. Another $2,500,000 just goes into the Affordable Housing Fund if this deal goes through?

This resolution is only about 110 First Street and those 25 units. It doesn't seem to be affecting 111 First. But who knows if that will ever start up again - more affordable (artist/studio) housing is required at 111 First property (120 units.)

Resolution posted:
https://www.cityofjerseycity.com/uploa ... lutions/Agenda%20Document(9).pdf
page 244-253


Toll Brothers deal - they will eventually build "work force" housing at the NE corner of Bay and Marin.
I don't recall if they are required to include on-site housing or if they too are supplying money to the Affordable Fund.

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here's the Jersey City Housing Authority website.....

http://www.jcha-gov.us/

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Thanks ianmac47. Did they say how often reexamination occurs?

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You can find many of the answers to your questions here:
http://portal.hud.gov/hudportal/HUD?s ... /rental_assistance/phprog



Or, if thats TLDR:


"Public housing is limited to low-income families and individuals. An HA determines your eligibility based on: 1) annual gross income; 2) whether you qualify as elderly, a person with a disability, or as a family; and 3) U.S. citizenship or eligible immigration status."

"HAs use income limits developed by HUD. HUD sets the lower income limits at 80% and very low income limits at 50% of the median income for the county or metropolitan area in which you choose to live. Income limits vary from area to area so you may be eligible at one HA but not at another."

"The formula used in determining the TTP is the highest of the following, rounded to the nearest dollar:

(1) 30 percent of the monthly adjusted income. (Monthly Adjusted Income is annual income less deductions allowed by the regulations);

(2) 10 percent of monthly income;

(3) welfare rent, if applicable; or

(4) a $25 minimum rent or higher amount (up to $50) set by an HA."


"In general, you may stay in public housing as long as you comply with the lease.

If, at reexamination your family's income is sufficient to obtain housing on the private market, the HA may determine whether your family should stay in public housing. You will not be required to move unless there is affordable housing available for you on the private market."

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I am not the one so passionate about affordable housing. If you think these are basic questions, please help me answer them:

1) Is there yearly verification to make sure that those who are living in affordable housing still qualify for subsidized housing?

2) Are these subsidized apartments inherited? Ie. What if the original owner passes away, does the son/daughter get the apartment at a subsidized rate?

The people living in affordable housing should be TRANSIENT residents and not permanent residents. If they live in affordable housing permanently, then society has failed them.

If you think there should be no yearly verification and that these subsidized units should be passed on from what generation to the next then you are out of your mind.

I said the thing about physicians because one of the aims seems to maintain "artists" in the area. I'm asking why? What inherent value do artists bring that is not equaled or surpassed by physicians?

Yes, developers are getting a sweet deal. Can you attract developers without those sweet deals? If not, then would you rather want undeveloped areas in JC?

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If you have questions about affordables please do your research. Read up on it and how it came about and how it works. The developer is looking out for his pocket. Instead of jumping all over the people who might potentially get a "cheap apartment" look up and research what the developer and the players are making off of the deal.

Affordable housing is not going away. Boy, would everyone love to have enough money to live well and not worry but this is not the case. There are rich, and there are poor.
Poor should be kept far away, maybe we can ship everyone out..maybe put them on ships and float them out to sea?

A lot of people are being priced out of jersey city.. They have been here all of their lives and now can't find a place to live because they only make $2000 a month for example. So too bad for them right?

Stop attacking the people, attack the government who is running your city, the department heads here who are looking out for themselves and the developers who are cashing in with no regard for anyone.....

Are we still waiting on an elevator for wheelchairs at grove??? (for those of you who are in tune then you know why I am bringing this topic up)

Then again, people don't S^^ where they eat, so let the haves get all the carjackings, holdups, and break-ins.

This is a very sore spot for me......and many people that I know. and for the record no one in my family has ever lived in an affordable but I try to look at the big picture and not be so narrowminded.

Did someone say provide housing for Physicians??lol. Sure would they like to live in Ward F.?. We would love to have more doctors living here with us....please send them.
also send some more lawyers, wall street brokers. We have plenty of houses for sale here.

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