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Monroe wrote:
Has anyone ever explained how the state was never able to reign in JCBOE spending yet thought it was OK to return them control? Was there no one willing to say "no, you can't pay your janitors that".

Monroe wrote:
My point here is that as long as JC has been severely overfunded and undertaxed JC residents didn?t care about school funding, and BOE inefficient and wasteful spending. Now that?s changing we?ll see JC taxpayers sing a different tune.

Monroe wrote:
Bullshit? Dad pays $32,000 per year in property taxes despite not having a child in school since 1978. And school cost in his town is less than $18,000/year.

JC residents pay 17% of the $23,000 cost. Pretty good deal. Fulop has been squealing about JC paying its fair share, to the point of getting the payroll tax rather than take care of its own children.

Monroe wrote:
Plenty of people pay property taxes enough to cover education costs in the suburbs. As JC pays only 17% of educating its own children (and illegal kids) the impact is tiny. As JC will begin paying its fair share expect the tone to change.

Yes, something we as a society agreed to provide for our own CITIZENS. Big difference.

It is difficult to understand precisely what the state hopes to achieve by promoting the creation and perpetuation of a subclass of illiterates within our boundaries, surely adding to the problems and costs of unemployment, welfare, and crime.

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Add in ESL, lunch, IEP?s, and I?m sure the average illegal kids costs well over $25,000/per student per year. Let?s say two kids-are their parents paying $50,000 a year in taxes?

Hell no.

No one, citizen or not, who actually sends their kids to public schools pays taxes that come close to the education cost of their kids. We as a society decided education was a thing we needed to do with taxes from everyone, even those with no children.

Monroe wrote:
Add in ESL, lunch, IEP?s, and I?m sure the average illegal kids costs well over $25,000/per student per year. Let?s say two kids-are their parents paying $50,000 a year in taxes?

Hell no.

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The story guesses almost 12% of K-12 students are here illegally. If that?s the avg, then JC must be higher. Yet Fulop with his sanctuary city crap encourages illegals to come here. Imagine how much it costs the BOE and NJ taxpayers who carry JC?s load?

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Not saying after-school programs are a bad idea. Saying they won't work for everyone.

Nothing does, which is why some problems need to be picked at rather than coming up with a "Grand Solution for Everyone". But defunding after school activities is patently stupid.

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Not saying after-school programs are a bad idea. Saying they won't work for everyone.

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Can't help think if you took 20% or so of school funding, and gave that directly to the students or parents as conditional incentives - standards of attainment, behavior, and attendance and would skyrocket.

How about, for a fraction that price, attractive after school programs like music and sports that you must maintain a certain GPA for?

Those are perks not incentives for many - though may form part of a collection of incentives. What motivates you more - your free corporate gym membership or your year-end bonus?

Involvement in sports is the most popular extracurricular activity for high school students. Sports require time and energy, but surprisingly that doesn?t come at the cost of academic performance. Sports participation is associated with higher GPAs, lower dropout rates and stronger commitments to school compared with the average, nonathlete high school student.

Widespread Participation
Across the United States, approximately 60 percent of all high students play on a school-sponsored sports team, according to a 2015 report by Child Trends. Boys were more likely to play sports than girls. Most school districts have eligibility requirements that require athletes to maintain a certain GPA and avoid absences if they want to play. The team may drop an athlete who performs poorly in the classroom.

Average GPAs
In 2009, the average GPA was 3.10 for a female high school graduate and 2.90 for male students. Researchers at Michigan State University determined that students who participated in vigorous sports did 10 percent better in science, English, math and social studies compared with other students. Different studies show various results regarding athlete versus nonathlete GPAs, with some showing athletes having a full point higher GPA than nonathletes.

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Can't help think if you took 20% or so of school funding, and gave that directly to the students or parents as conditional incentives - standards of attainment, behavior, and attendance and would skyrocket.

How about, for a fraction that price, attractive after school programs like music and sports that you must maintain a certain GPA for?

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Can't help think if you took 20% or so of school funding, and gave that directly to the students or parents as conditional incentives - standards of attainment, behavior, and attendance and would skyrocket.

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Terrible that the Teacher's Union gets to dictate how the school system is run, but me and most of the other parents in Jersey City weren't there tonight, and 150 teachers were, until enough of us make it a priority to oppose them, they get to run the show.

Robin.

Good point, but since she was a lame duck not much interest in this battle. But to your larger point, I find the entire schools issue to be impenetrable. As far as I can tell all the conflict is over who gets to pillage the system, the teachers or the admin, not over how can they do a better job.

I'd love to know more. If only there was some Journalists who would actually report in depth on the issues facing the $600m/year JC system and the implications of the factions fighting, rather than just the blow by blow. But this is what you get when Newsrooms are gutted. Big stories like the implications of the reval delay and the schools crisis simply can't be covered since most of it isn't a couple of paragraphs on "what happened today".