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Chapeau to JCPD
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Two thumbs up to JCPD (off duty) responding to an emergency on the spot, plus a few other brave civilians, including a young teen w/ his dad lending help. What you don't see, nor reported is the 2 local PDs (Eatontown & Tinton Falls) embarrassingly standing idle during the rescue and the local FD waiting for the recovered body to be brought up the hill.
Easter heroes: Electrician, off-duty cops rescue woman from pond

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Re: Russell Maffei and Marie Tauro Killed by Hit & Run Driver
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+1 Mao's comments. This is really sad news. I knew Marie personally and worked with her for years. She possessed great energy and enthusiasm for life and took pride in her physical health spending many days at the gym or nearby university pool. Never at a loss to share what is on her mind and always looking out for others. She enjoyed traveling - spending much time in the south-west USA. Political views, she was a die-hard Republican, but would help and work for those even of a different party, like our current democratic mayor, if she believed they were a good person and a good leader. She is survived by her son (and grandkids), whom she was so proud of being a very enterprising small business owner in Texas.

Posted on: 4/4 11:01
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Re: GoFundMe $$$ fill an Exploited LOOP-HOLE in NJ Open Public Records Act [OPRA] in <1hour !
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"In other words, the city is charging Esther for what is normally a request granted for free, in what appears to be an attempt to dissuade and discourage her from getting these documents. "

She means "free" as in free to her - not free to the taxpayers who are paying the city clerk to perform 5 hours of their ordinary work.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


Posted on: 3/27 13:55
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Quote:

light12v wrote:
LAST EVENING ANY PROSPECT FOR ADDING AN ADDITIONAL 16 ACRES TO JC TAX RATE-ABLES WAS ELIMINATED BY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

YOU CAN SEND YOUR THANK-YOU CARDS TO:
MAYOR Steven Fulop
Council President Rolando R. Lavarro, Jr.
Councilwoman at Large Joyce Watterman
Councilman at Large Daniel Rivera
Ward A (Greenville) Councilman Frank Gajewski
Ward E (Downtown) Councilwoman Candice Osborne
Ward F (Bergen/Lafayette) Councilman Jermaine Robinson



Really? Is that so. How much revenue is the city collecting presently on the 16 acres? Here, I'll answer that for you: zero, nada, nothing.


City officials have argued that the deal isn't a giveaway, citing a revenue-sharing portion of its agreement with SciTech Scity. Once the complex earns a surplus beyond $78 million, the city would share in the revenue, initially getting 50 percent and, once the value of the city's land is paid off, 20 percent. If the project doesn't get off the ground, they say, the land reverts back to JCRA control.

..from:

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... d.html#incart_2box_hudson

Posted on: 3/23 12:36
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Posted on: 3/22 14:17
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Reading the article, he is tackling the problem in an ineffectual, time wasting manner.

One should:

1) make sure your taxes are paid in full, even as bad as the assessment/billing is

2) file an appeal directly with the *County* Board of Taxation.

3) do so before the April 1st deadline.

Unlike him, you notably cut the municipality and its tax assessor out of the loop. This is all covered by statute (NJSA 54:3). Hire a lawyer, already, Phil O.

If you do not like the County Board of Taxation's assessment, then you can appeal to the NJ State Tax Court.

Here's the nice part. When you win your appeal, the municipality refunds your tax overpayment, plus pays an additional 5% interest to you. Tax appeal refunds put a hurt into the muni budget; the town will take notice and direct its attention to its tax assessor or reval firm or both.







Posted on: 3/21 16:58
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Just to be perfectly clear (again)...Message #896 and #904 were written by you, Brewster, in response to my posts. The details are below.

You wrote them. They are your words. Much like your most recent ludicrous suggestion of taking out a reverse mortgage to pay ones property taxes.

Now, instead of lamenting us with your potty mouth diatribes, why not support your opinion with something substantive, like a formal study or inform us of your credentials that make you an authority on the subject.

Then, and only then, will you reconcile your beliefs of how things should be versus how things really are (positive and normative assertions) and how things can/may change MORE feasibly, like a staged reval.

There are some really knowledgeable posters here, like Dan Levin, T-Bird, etc., that unfortunately gets drowned out with a lot of !@#$ explicative-laden noise.

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brewster wrote:
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When Brewster writes that no-one downtown will be affected by the 2xs - 4xs increase of property taxes, overnight, it is not only ludicrous, but loses all credibility with making such an asinine and unsubstantiated comment, repeatedly.


Quote me where I said any such thing. You're just making shit up. Fake News.


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When people own $1m homes, there's simply no reason taxes can't be paid.
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Here's another......

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The foreclosure talk is scaremongering plain and simple. The only people who "might" be forced to sell are very recent purchasers of older properties who extended themselves to the max and have little equity to work with. But even if they've only been there 5 years they've seen enough appreciation to be able extract some for taxes, since vlaues have been rising at a rate many times the projected ~2% tax. Buyer of recently condoed or constructed property have little to worry about.
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Posted on: 2/22 10:13
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Quote:

brewster wrote:
Quote me where I said any such thing. You're just making shit up. Fake News.


Here's one.....

#896
When people own $1m homes, there's simply no reason taxes can't be paid.
Posted on: 2016/5/25 12:15

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Here's another......

#904
The foreclosure talk is scaremongering plain and simple. The only people who "might" be forced to sell are very recent purchasers of older properties who extended themselves to the max and have little equity to work with. But even if they've only been there 5 years they've seen enough appreciation to be able extract some for taxes, since vlaues have been rising at a rate many times the projected ~2% tax. Buyer of recently condoed or constructed property have little to worry about.
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Both were your direct response to what I had written in this very long thread.

“The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.” ? Charles Bukowski

Posted on: 2/21 16:50
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Quote:

bodhipooh wrote:
I wonder Ralph_Abutts is the same person


You need not wonder. Brewster's argument is what is fair; mine is what is equitable. There is a difference. If you need evidence of such, look at my provactive and terse followup comments.

Debating fair tax policy, of any sort of taxes, I have no interest. It is interesting, but such debate could fill a book. Reval is of interest.

When Brewster writes that no-one downtown will be affected by the 2xs - 4xs increase of property taxes, overnight, it is not only ludicrous, but loses all credibility with making such an asinine and unsubstantiated comment, repeatedly.

All I am proposing, like others here, is that a one time exception for doing a stage reval occurs. I went into great detail as to why it will be beneficial for all property taxpayers.

Posted on: 2/21 11:07
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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brewster wrote:
That argument is a nonstarter as far as the US tax system is concerned.
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That's correct > your argument is a nonstarter because the topic is about local property taxes.

Posted on: 2/17 13:40
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Have you considered that the "overpayers" consume less of what they are paying for than the "underpayers"?

If so, then the use of those terms seems rather contradictory and I think it is best to rethink what it means to be an "overpayer".

Posted on: 2/17 12:33
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Re: Jersey City 'no knock' registry to target pushy real estate brokers
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Unless there are real teeth behind reporting, enforcement and penalties, this ordinance just won't work.


It does work in South Jersey - Toms River, Jackson & Lakewood - targeting the same aggressive door knocking cohort.

Posted on: 2/17 9:39
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Please tell us how you explain to owners who have been overpaying for many years, that outnumber the underpayers


If a homeowner thinks they are "overpaying", they are free to move. The choice is freely theirs to make and there will always be someone to purchase their property.

And if you truly understand a reval, you would know "overpayers" do not exceed "underpayers".

Posted on: 2/17 9:35
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Quote:

T-Bird wrote:
How would a phase-in work, though? To Brewster's point - the only way you can not delay fully raising the taxes of those due an increase is by delaying lowering the taxes of those due a cut, unless there is either something else to fill the gap like state aid or the city goes without a chunk of revenue. Neither seems likely.


By phasing-in the reval, those who will end up with lower property taxes will do so with permanency.

The tax reval statutes were written under the assumption a municipality regularly does a reval. Obviously, J.C. hasn't and from the political perspective, there is all the more incentive to dig its heels in further and delay.

Without a phase-in, once the reval is complete, you will have property owners that will have their taxes double, triple, or quadruple overnight.

When that happens, many will be unable to pay their property taxes. When they don't pay, guess who pays? Answer: everyone else when the tax rate increases.

Additionally, property taxes influence real estate values. When your taxes increase 4xs overnight, that is not good for the value of your home.

Property tax amounts are determined, in part by the assessed (loosely market) value of the property.

When the property values tank, those owners will appeal their tax bill successfully. When they pay less, that means everyone else pays more - without making cuts to the budget.

My point is, yes there will be folks who will save on taxes, post reval, but they can save even more if the reval is phased in.

I'm not proposing how that be done, but it should be done, and only a one time exception. *Every* property owner and the city itself will be much better off with that approach than following the current statute, which under the current scenario will wreck havoc on the city.

I wrote about this some time ago, here. Sometimes it takes a little foresight to think one step ahead.

Posted on: 2/16 11:06
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Re: Why aren't the meetings broadcasted on the JC channel?
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You can find them @ JCTV YouTube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/JC1TV

Posted on: 2/14 16:22
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Re: The Disaster that is Jersey City Recreation
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The count is high as it includes seasonals (p/t summer help). IIRC the # of full timers is roughly 2,600

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Posted on: 2/7 12:39
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Re: Trump Our New President
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Posted on: 1/28 10:14
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Re: Roberto Clemente Field Just Sold?
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Jersey City's peak population was in 1930: 316,715.

In 1960, the population was 276,101 or about roughly 30,000 more than the last U.S. Census.

In 1960, vehicle ownership in all of the USA was 411 per 1,000 per capita. In year 2002, it grew to 812 per 1,000.

I could not quickly source such car ownership census figures specifically for Jersey City. However, in year 2000, 41% of adults in Jersey City possessed a car - which is much lower than the national average and nationally low among cities as well.

My conclusion: yes, there is a lot of vehicular traffic, but it has not reached car-mageddon... yet.


Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_City,_New_Jersey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ ... _households_without_a_car
http://tinyurl.com/zgl82mx (pg 5)

Posted on: 1/20 14:02
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Re: Roberto Clemente Field Just Sold?
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I understand green space is at a premium, but weren't folks rightly complaining years ago here on jclist about this baseball field? From what I recall the public (?) field is run by a small clique, the little league.

I don't know how true that is, but from my own experience, every time I pass by the field, it is empty and pad locked. My impression is seems like a very underutilized space.

Much more so than other baseball fields like at Ed Fa Ford or the fields off Newark/under the NJTP extension.

Perhaps with the new development, which will hopefully include a ball field, it will get more use.

Posted on: 1/20 10:25
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Yeah, that's it. I'm stupid, but not as.... Maybe you can follow better than I.
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She writes about County taxes when the thread is about reevaluating the City tax base. The city reval will not change +/- the amount the city collects for the county in the form of county taxes.

She also mentions churches and schools not being taxed. Why would a school be taxed when it is supported by local taxes?

Posted on: 1/13 20:13
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Sigh.
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Posted on: 1/13 16:21
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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"not taxed" != "abatement"

"Abatement is a reduction in the level of taxation faced by an individual or company. Examples of an abatement include a tax decrease, a reduction in penalties or a rebate. If an individual or business overpays its taxes or receives a tax bill that is too high, it can request an abatement from the tax authorities."
Abatement Definition | Investopedia
www.investopedia.com/terms/a/abatement.asp


Posted on: 1/13 16:08
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Re: Jersey City mayor-elect orders end to citywide reval
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Quote:

An innumerate person wrote:
The taxes are high because abatements are not included in the ratable base. Several billion dollars are not there so when the county strikes the budget, it is based on ratables, not abated buildings.


Not correct. If you excluded abatement revenue from the municipal budget, the property tax rate will be much, much higher.

Posted on: 1/13 15:16
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Re: Stolen-found bar sign
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It belongs to the Tube Bar located in Journal Square. Please call and ask for the owner, Red Deutsch. I bumped into Phil DeGrave and he told me so.

Posted on: 12/23 14:32
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Re: Anyone else getting bogus "no recycling" warnings in the mail?
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Same story as original poster to convey, however, instead of a warning it was a summons.

> "Gifts" of some of the resident ne'er do wells.

Yep. Exactly. I had a coworker who received a summons with a mandatory municipal court appearance to pay a $$$ fine for such with one of her rental properties in the heights. No warning given.



Posted on: 2016/11/4 10:24
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Re: Will Jersey City and Hoboken ever lose Abbott District Status?
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Not paying for local schools is misleading. Abatement property owners do pay local taxes/contribute local revenue which supports municipal expenditures, including its schools. If they did not pay, then the City would not be able to pay for its schools, police, fire, etc. PILOT and prop tax revenue are commingled funds.

While Jersey City's schools are heavily State funded, the City does spend quite a bit on low income housing. Those outside the city may cry foul about Abbott Funding, but they should look at themselves in the mirror when it comes to the lack of affordable housing they spend within their town. That is, they may pay for Abbott, but save $ with their NIMBY lack of low income housing spending.

Additionally, quite a few NJ suburban residents are employed in Jersey City. Without Jersey City, there would be less State income to fund their hometown schools and Jersey City schools.






Posted on: 2016/9/9 13:09
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Re: Organized local group bike rides
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A nice alternative to riding into Piermont & Nyack is to head a little further west and then take County Rte 501/Knickerbocker. Keep pedaling north, and you will reach the Old Tappan/Piermont border. The area will then look familiar to you.

Riding through River Rd, the main road below the palisades, is okay in the morning. Coming back though, cycling up top of the palisade is much nicer. Follow 9W south, passing through Fort Lee into Cliffside Park. From there I think the roads are by name Lemoine Avenue, then JFK Blvd East, the road that is furthest east up on the palisade. It is very intuitive, no map needed. Just keep heading south and you cannot go wrong. There's much less traffic, calmer roads, and you get unobstructed views of the Manhattan skyline.

Posted on: 2016/7/19 10:19
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Re: Organized local group bike rides
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I am unsure what the status of the Bayonne Bridge is of late. When I did ride over it, it was a fun trek. Sometimes the high cross winds can test your mettle cycling over the bridge. I've then ridden the northern perimeter of Staten Island up to Ft. Wadsworth park/Verrazano Bridge, and then catch the free Staten Island ferry into NYC and go from there.

I have not done the 1/9 truck route bridge through Newark by bike. By car, it is not a pretty area to drive to say the least, but then again it is a truck route. That area, Newark, Linden, Elizabeth, etc. is much like Hudson County - densely populated, traffic lights galore.

I've done NYCC group rides whereby I take the PATH to Newark PENN, and then meetup with the group to ride NJ Transit to New Brunswick. From there we would ride nearby the D&R Canal, to New Hope, PA and vicinity. Ride down to Trenton, sometimes catch the train from there back to NYC/NWK/JC, or circle back through Princeton area to ride back to New Brunswick to catch the train. Another similar ride will do the covered bridges of that area of NJ.

Other central/south NJ, unconventional NYCC club rides ride entails one like take the ferry from NYC (or Paulus hook) to Sandy Hook and ride around Monmouth County.


I have also lead NYCC group rides out in Hunterdon County/PA border (accessible by car, only).

Posted on: 2016/7/18 11:13
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Re: Scam/con artist in the Shoprite parking lot this afternoon
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Sounds like the same woman that canvassed the Journal Square area for quite some time. Each day she would stop me to ask for money needed for train fare so she can get her and her kids home to Rutherford.

Posted on: 2016/7/17 22:31
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Re: Organized local group bike rides
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I understand your sentiment, but the thing with JC is it s not geograhically ideal.

As much as I like riding in Liberty State park, to the point where I have done several 5 hour nonstop century rides, the options are very limited.

A short trip south is Bayonne, then water. heading west is really not a pleasant option, east is the river, so it is 13 miles due north before the roads open up past the GWB. That is you are riding a bunch of junk miles in stop and go traffic...lots of traffic lights anywhere in the immediate area of densely packed Hudson and lower Bergen counties.

That leaves you packing your bike in a car, taking a train, or .....riding with NYC folk to many places in the tristate area.
I even did a ride where I covered ground in 4 states in one day NY/NJ/CT/MA on a club ride. A club that large you will find cyclists of the same fitness and ability that matches yours, as well as rides offered on a regular basis that match the same.


Posted on: 2016/7/17 22:28
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