?I said to one of them, ?Why didn?t you just use a condom?? And he said, ?Because birth control is against the law of the church.? ?

K-Lo2 wrote:
Not gay, not straight...just glib callous psychopaths. Weed out the psychopaths first.

?You can?t treat heterosexuality,? he said. ?You can?t treat homosexuality. You can?t treat pedophilia.? You can make them aware of the damage they are causing, but psychopaths are incredibly hard to treat. They honestly believe a 5-year-old is in love with them.

?It was a surprise for me to see how many psychopaths I met in the priesthood,? Dr. Lothstein said. ?Glib, callous, could say anything to you and be charming.?


https://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/10/us/10beliefs.html

K-Lo2 wrote:
http://catholicphilly.com/2018/09/new ... ts-top-psychologist-says/

esp123 wrote:
Mao-
Why are you so hung up on sex between consenting adults, if they are fully ?consenting? and ?adults??

If it?s the case of assault, rape, or sexual harassment where someone like McCarrick who Yvonne says was using his position to pressure, then that?s not consentual. But hello, predators in the world are just as likely to be heterosexual, so you both focusing on the orientation of homosexuality, rather than the abusive behavior, IS intellectual dishonesty and homophobia.

If it?s the case of pedophilia and underage children as victims, then they are not adults, so again lack of true consent.

For your sake, I hope it is disingenuousness about your underlying motivations, rather than absence of cognitive ability to comprehend these really not difficult to understand distinctions. Remember, consenting adults. Victims who are underage or those who are assaulted or those who are in an employee or position of less power than the abuser by definition are not consenting and/or adults.

In the case of the Catholic church, gay priests who are sexually activel and yet the next day are preaching that premarital sex and homosexuality will damn you to hell, may be hypocrites. But in the case of those who are gay and enter the Catholic priesthood because they feel can?t freely live who they are otherwise within the Catholic community says more about the shortcomings of the fundamentalist Catholic community and doctrine.

And calling out the hypocrisy is very different from denouncing priests because of their sexual orientation and making this abuse crisis about that. It is the hypocrisy, the lies, the predatory behavior, and the covering up for predatory behavior that can legitimately be criticized, without making this abuse scandal the excuse to demonize gays and blame abusive behavior on sexual orientation.

Mao and his fundamentalist Tridentine latin-mass, Pope Francis-hating, far-from-mainstream Catholic brethren are clearly trying to use this scandal as a way to purge more mainstream Catholic leaders.

Yvonne wrote:
I am looking forward to the raids in NY State and NJ, so what you call 'heresy' will turn into prison time. I want justice for the victims and church cleaned from predatory priests.

Yvonne wrote:
Pedophilia, is a made up term,

Yvonne wrote:
these priest do not have age limits, it is whatever is available.

Yvonne wrote:
That means all the gay icons like the late Harvey Milk engaged in pedophilia, too.

Yvonne wrote:
No one wants to admit the cause is gay men in the priesthood.

Yvonne wrote:
I actually saw a video years ago on EWTN, the Catholic network on men who decided to lead chaste lives through the program Courage, they all admitted, they were sexually assaulted as teens by adult men.

Yvonne wrote:
Actually, I have given facts, there was the letter from the website from a seminary then there was the link from Church Militant.

Actually, I have given facts, there was the letter from the website from a seminary then there was the link from Church Militant. Church Militant gets their information for priests, seminarians and even some bishops. Lately, their information has come prosecutors. The people at that website has worked as professional reporters in the secular media and have contacts with law enforcements. Then, there is the testimony of Alice Von Hilebrand (who is still living), who spoke to Bella Dodd who said in the 1920s and 1930s she recruited 1100 men to enter the seminary. Dodd said she belonged to the Communist Party. Stalin request that she place two types of men in the seminary, men with no faith and homosexual men. Bella Dodd also spoke before Congress on this and there are books written about this subject. As these men become bishops, they were looking for other homosexual men, the reason for the South American connection of seminarians who were kicked out and found places in the US. Personally, I am looking forward to the investigation of NJ. Sexual payments were made by the Archdioceses of Newark and Metuchen. I want the truth, I don't care about agendas.

Sutherland wrote:
It's hate because you're making facts up. You have no proof of anything you've alleged. People only make up bad facts about others out of hate.

Sutherland wrote:
I also suspect Mao's a former seminarian or religious, (not a Jesuit). Probably a Franciscan (OFM) maybe diocesan. I imagine he's never actually practiced law.

Despite his knowledge, his logic goes far afield of reality. It's too much of a stretch to associate ancient Greek and Christian philosophy to a contemporary crises, at least they way Mao does. The history of scandal in the church goes beyond sex and includes more financial, especially from the middle (dark) ages.

The association of perspectives on sexual orientation from 500 years ago or more to managing abuse today is as useful and applicable as wearing a snorkle coat on a rainy day in July.

Homophobia is more a cause of the Church's crises than the solution. It deteriorates ones' self esteem, leaving them emotionally arrested. This is more likely the cause of the problem than Mao's far stretching hypothesis about Aristophanes' reach to contemporary mores.