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“Intelligence”? Here are some facts.

Under the previous administration, a planner (who is no longer employed by the City) poorly wrote a Redevelopment Plan which had no explanation of allowable density either by units / acre or form based. That planner purposefully misled the planning board and the city council as to the true intentions of the RDP and described it as "similar to the neighborhood with parking". You can read the transcripts and watch the council caucus meeting here https://brightandvarick.blogspot.com/p ... ices-and-transcripts.html (Coincidentally, our current Mayor and the current Director of the JCRA served on council at the time.)

Over the following 2 years, the school is evicted from the property, the city transfers the land to the JCRA, a redeveloper agreement is negotiated, and a new Mayor is elected. The public becomes aware of the proposed project as it was listed in his transition report. The project is totally unlike anything in the city (or the country for that matter) with microunits which are 10x the density of the surrounding neighborhood. The developer wanted the project to be the first of its kind on the east coast. Definitely not "similar to the neighborhood".

The VVPA asked the City for an official opinion as what the omission of a density requirement in the RDP means and the City refers it to the Zoning board for an interpretation. But the developer refused and instead of presenting the merits of the project to the board, he sued the City for an automatic approval. He caused his own delays and forced the City to defend its directives and zoning laws. If it was really the intent of the City to have a microunit project at this location, the developer should have presented the project and would have been approved.

The VVPA intervened on the case and appealed the automatic approval with the support and in conjunction with the City. Automatic approvals should not be allowed when there is a legitimate question if the project conforms to the zoning regulations to begin with. This decision just provides another way for developers to take advantage of the City and avoid public comment.

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i believe it is because of the na that anyone noticed that this project "fell through the cracks". Quote:

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Glad this topic keeps bubbling up to allow focus on the main event: The City letting this application slide by has the rancid stink of corruption.

There are statutory time frames that MUST be complied with once a submitted development application is considered “complete” for review. The NJ Municipal Land Use Law (MLUL) explicitly allows 45 days for review and disposition. The City knows this and also knows if they fail to act within the 45 days, the application is deemed approved by default under the MLUL provisions. It is absolutely clear in the MLUL and has been upheld repeatedly by NJ Courts. These provisions aren’t secret, and the process isn’t rocket science.

Very strangely, of all the development applications the City sees, for THIS particular application the City “overlooked” the statutory timelines. Think about it for a second. Incompetent..? No, the City knows the rules. That leaves deliberate, which is about what I’d expect from Jersey City. Sure, I don’t have any evidence, however, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is isn’t a giraffe, it’s a duck.

Either way, incompetent or deliberate, the question that SHOULD be addressed is how did this happen? Who in the City was responsible, and whom did they know...? Did anyone notify the State or Feds what happened? And did the City appraise the Feds about the 45 day MLUL timeline? That’s an important detail they may not immediately be familiar with. I hope someone reads this and start asking a few questions.

All you City Operatives who hang out here, got any "intelligence" on this...? No, I didn't think so.

What a total mess Jersey City is…. Who gives a rats ass about NA’s and this application.…? Not me. That’s just a diversion from the real story.

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The City...you mean certain staffers in Planning? Yes indeed

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Glad this topic keeps bubbling up to allow focus on the main event: The City letting this application slide by has the rancid stink of corruption.

There are statutory time frames that MUST be complied with once a submitted development application is considered “complete” for review. The NJ Municipal Land Use Law (MLUL) explicitly allows 45 days for review and disposition. The City knows this and also knows if they fail to act within the 45 days, the application is deemed approved by default under the MLUL provisions. It is absolutely clear in the MLUL and has been upheld repeatedly by NJ Courts. These provisions aren’t secret, and the process isn’t rocket science.

Very strangely, of all the development applications the City sees, for THIS particular application the City “overlooked” the statutory timelines. Think about it for a second. Incompetent..? No, the City knows the rules. That leaves deliberate, which is about what I’d expect from Jersey City. Sure, I don’t have any evidence, however, if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is isn’t a giraffe, it’s a duck.

Either way, incompetent or deliberate, the question that SHOULD be addressed is how did this happen? Who in the City was responsible, and whom did they know...? Did anyone notify the State or Feds what happened? And did the City appraise the Feds about the 45 day MLUL timeline? That’s an important detail they may not immediately be familiar with. I hope someone reads this and start asking a few questions.

All you City Operatives who hang out here, got any "intelligence" on this...? No, I didn't think so.

What a total mess Jersey City is…. Who gives a rats ass about NA’s and this application.…? Not me. That’s just a diversion from the real story.

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If this plan was not part of a redevelopment zone, there would be no problems. I spoke at city hall on the ordinance and I was told there would be hearings. I am still waiting for the hearings.

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if the nas are so atrocious, then all the haters should show up and try to make them more "productive" instead of just complaining. if the leaders are self-appointed, maybe that's because it is a thankless job that few want to commit to.Quote:

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in case, you didn't notice there is a reason i used "" for having skin in the game, but, it is obvious to me that most owners have a far more significant amount of their networth in the home than renters...am i missing something? and no one is preventing renters from coming to na meetings to discuss safety and security; i have even heard owner-occupiers discuss safety and security at na meetings...and sometimes they even have police captains at these meetings.


and btw, a quite a few of the renters who attend these na meetings complain about parking tooQuote:

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources


How do renters “have less skin” in the game? I have always found that rationale to be a lazy crutch used by people to dismiss the concerns or complaints of renters. Things such as quality of life concerns have the same impact on renters or owners. Matters of safety and security are, of course, equally important to renters. So, why would that be considered less skin in the game?

About someone else being able to post minutes: that’s impossible unless the person in charge of the NA’s website is willing to hand over the credentials to modify the site. Good luck with that.


I wish there was a way to comprehend your follow up. Alas, your writing is atrocious and it seems like you just repeated exactly what you had stated in your previous post. Fortunately, judging from the other posts, it seems most people here agree that the NAs are ran like mini fiefdoms of entrenched old timers with outdated interests and concerns.

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in case, you didn't notice there is a reason i used "" for having skin in the game, but, it is obvious to me that most owners have a far more significant amount of their networth in the home than renters...am i missing something? and no one is preventing renters from coming to na meetings to discuss safety and security; i have even heard owner-occupiers discuss safety and security at na meetings...and sometimes they even have police captains at these meetings.


and btw, a quite a few of the renters who attend these na meetings complain about parking tooQuote:

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources


How do renters “have less skin” in the game? I have always found that rationale to be a lazy crutch used by people to dismiss the concerns or complaints of renters. Things such as quality of life concerns have the same impact on renters or owners. Matters of safety and security are, of course, equally important to renters. So, why would that be considered less skin in the game?

About someone else being able to post minutes: that’s impossible unless the person in charge of the NA’s website is willing to hand over the credentials to modify the site. Good luck with that.


I wish there was a way to comprehend your follow up. Alas, your writing is atrocious and it seems like you just repeated exactly what you had stated in your previous post. Fortunately, judging from the other posts, it seems most people here agree that the NAs are ran like mini fiefdoms of entrenched old timers with outdated interests and concerns.

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The often self-appointed leaders of these various neighborhood associations think they represent everyone in their neighborhood and make the city council meetings drag out longer with their stupid questions about every single city resolution out there. Those of us who maybe have one question or want to speak about one thing at a city council meeting but have kids to put to bed and a job to get up for in the morning don't have the luxury of sitting there for hours while all these wannabe politicians fill up all the speaking time. It's annoying and I do not give a damn about what any of them think about a micro-apartment building. The city's planning and zoning departments may leave a lot to be desired but these neighborhood association leaders sure aren't city planners by any stretch of the imagination. No surprise they lost the case and they were idiotic to bring it in the first place.

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources


How do renters “have less skin” in the game? I have always found that rationale to be a lazy crutch used by people to dismiss the concerns or complaints of renters. Things such as quality of life concerns have the same impact on renters or owners. Matters of safety and security are, of course, equally important to renters. So, why would that be considered less skin in the game?

About someone else being able to post minutes: that’s impossible unless the person in charge of the NA’s website is willing to hand over the credentials to modify the site. Good luck with that.


And good luck getting said credentials if you show up having an opinion contrary to what the board thinks. Most of these people aren't democratically elected, most are appointed by the current board. And if you're not an ultra NIMBY, the board will not give you the time of day.

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources


How do renters “have less skin” in the game? I have always found that rationale to be a lazy crutch used by people to dismiss the concerns or complaints of renters. Things such as quality of life concerns have the same impact on renters or owners. Matters of safety and security are, of course, equally important to renters. So, why would that be considered less skin in the game?

About someone else being able to post minutes: that’s impossible unless the person in charge of the NA’s website is willing to hand over the credentials to modify the site. Good luck with that.


And good luck getting said credentials if you show up having an opinion contrary to what the board thinks. Most of these people aren't democratically elected, most are appointed by the current board. And if you're not an ultra NIMBY, the board will not give you the time of day.

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in case, you didn't notice there is a reason i used "" for having skin in the game, but, it is obvious to me that most owners have a far more significant amount of their networth in the home than renters...am i missing something? and no one is preventing renters from coming to na meetings to discuss safety and security; i have even heard owner-occupiers discuss safety and security at na meetings...and sometimes they even have police captains at these meetings.


and btw, a quite a few of the renters who attend these na meetings complain about parking tooQuote:

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources


How do renters “have less skin” in the game? I have always found that rationale to be a lazy crutch used by people to dismiss the concerns or complaints of renters. Things such as quality of life concerns have the same impact on renters or owners. Matters of safety and security are, of course, equally important to renters. So, why would that be considered less skin in the game?

About someone else being able to post minutes: that’s impossible unless the person in charge of the NA’s website is willing to hand over the credentials to modify the site. Good luck with that.

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources


How do renters “have less skin” in the game? I have always found that rationale to be a lazy crutch used by people to dismiss the concerns or complaints of renters. Things such as quality of life concerns have the same impact on renters or owners. Matters of safety and security are, of course, equally important to renters. So, why would that be considered less skin in the game?

About someone else being able to post minutes: that’s impossible unless the person in charge of the NA’s website is willing to hand over the credentials to modify the site. Good luck with that.

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i have attended a few of these na meeting and while i did find that MANY folk were concerned about parking, i did not find them dismissive of renters even though renters "have less skin" in the game.

as far as wanting updated minutes, may i suggest that you join ur na and then post minutes on the website for members of the community to see. please keep in mind that these are volunteer organizations with LIMITED resources

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not sure what the beef is with neighborhood associations, they have no legal authority in the zoning or redevelopment process. they organize and advocate on behalf of residents who are members. most are pretty fluid and change over time.

do they represent everyone? no. they represent those that live in an area that show up and choose to participate


The devil is in the details... my experience with two different NAs has been that they set meeting dates and times convenient to those already in the board, which are often unnecessarily inconvenient to newcomers who may want to participate. Calling for meetings at 7,or earlier, precludes most professionals working in NYC who don’t come home until that time, or later. Midweek meetings at 6 PM are a joke, really.

The beef that many of us have with NAs is that they portray themselves as representative of the neighborhood at large, but often focus on "pet projects" or concerns that only matter to one or two of the board members. And, because politicians believe they do in fact speak for all of the neighborhood residents, they listen to them and actually act on their requests/demands, without ever coming around to actually get a read on what others may think/want.



Exactly. My experience is that:

1) You won't be taken seriously if you're not an owner, the opinions of renters are immediately dismissed

2) If you're not an anti-development zealot and don't think parking is the #1 most pressing problem, your opinions are dismissed, you get called names or you're accused of being a paid lackey by developers

3) Their members say you should show up to meetings and fix this but when you show up to meetings or email them, they're immediately dismissive because of 1 and 2 above.

Not to mention boards being packed with multiple, unnecessary positions, some of which are "self-appointed" or chosen at the whims of fellow board members.

Also the fact they often fail to properly inform their communities what what they're doing, as many of their websites lack updated meeting minutes from the last meeting, often for many months. Also see the downright corrupt way in which some of these boards conduct themselves, such as the recent case of the VNA board trying to negotiate a backroom deal with the planning board to prevent certain areas of the village being upzoned without informing their members.

They oppose literally anything larger than a 2-story house, have no concept of modern urban planning, and when they don't get their way, they dispatch their patron saint Yvonne to wear down city hall until they eventually cave.

Meanwhile, all over downtown, packages continue to get stolen, pedestrian safety is decreasing, sidewalks are crumbling, lots are unkempt, trees are disappearing from sidewalks without being replaced, garbage is strewn everywhere and all the NAs talk about is parking and how horrible it is that infill and parking lots are being turned into something useful. The fact city hall has been more responsive to these concerns when I've contacted both than my own local NA says a lot about their priorities and who they're really looking out for (the selfish interests of their own board members).

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not sure what the beef is with neighborhood associations, they have no legal authority in the zoning or redevelopment process. they organize and advocate on behalf of residents who are members. most are pretty fluid and change over time.

do they represent everyone? no. they represent those that live in an area that show up and choose to participate


The devil is in the details... my experience with two different NAs has been that they set meeting dates and times convenient to those already in the board, which are often unnecessarily inconvenient to newcomers who may want to participate. Calling for meetings at 7,or earlier, precludes most professionals working in NYC who don’t come home until that time, or later. Midweek meetings at 6 PM are a joke, really.

The beef that many of us have with NAs is that they portray themselves as representative of the neighborhood at large, but often focus on "pet projects" or concerns that only matter to one or two of the board members. And, because politicians believe they do in fact speak for all of the neighborhood residents, they listen to them and actually act on their requests/demands, without ever coming around to actually get a read on what others may think/want.

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agree. no problem with micro units in general. and no problem with increased density outside of the historic districts, but there is a process for changing zoning and the city in this bailed (which happens time and time again.)

not sure what the beef is with neighborhood associations, they have no legal authority in the zoning or redevelopment process. they organize and advocate on behalf of residents who are members. most are pretty fluid and change over time.

do they represent everyone? no. they represent those that live in an area that show up and choose to participate

I hope they carry some editorial influence with the elected officials and the city as they represent voters.

before you dismiss them, neighborhood associations have played a big role in preserving Liberty State Park, saving the Loew's Jersey City, renovating Hamilton and Van Vorst Parks, creating the Grove Street Path Plaza and contributing to the Jersey City Parks Coalition and more. are they perfect? no. do they make mistakes? yes. but they are more credible and have made a greater difference than any city government or most elected officials of the day.


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while I don't have a problem with micro apartments ( I say build more of them), I do think the neighborhood serve a valuable purpose in terms of trying to enhance the neighborhood quality.
that being said, I believe the ball was dropped by the city and I believe it is a good thing to have courts to arbitrate/decide what is "fair".

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while I don't have a problem with micro apartments ( I say build more of them), I do think the neighborhood serve a valuable purpose in terms of trying to enhance the neighborhood quality.
that being said, I believe the ball was dropped by the city and I believe it is a good thing to have courts to arbitrate/decide what is "fair".

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Hahaha, what a waste of time and taxpayer money thanks to the idiots at the VVPA. How much money did they waste fighting this project on what was known to be very shaky, if nonexistent legal grounds at all?

I'm sure the community will get none of the prior concessions the developer offered now. The VVPA should apologize to the entire community for dragging this out for so long.

Not to mention, if this has been allowed to move forward, there would have been more ratable units to help absorb the reval impact. This is a lose-lose thanks to old timer NIMBYism and VVPA morons thinking they're entitled to free parking for eternity.


Along the same lines, it occurs to me that this is yet another setback to the longstanding power and influence of NAs. I am glad to see their (previously) unchecked actions being curtailed by the courts, and even newcomers who are starting to question how they operate.

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Hahaha, what a waste of time and taxpayer money thanks to the idiots at the VVPA. How much money did they waste fighting this project on what was known to be very shaky, if nonexistent legal grounds at all?

I'm sure the community will get none of the prior concessions the developer offered now. The VVPA should apologize to the entire community for dragging this out for so long.

Not to mention, if this has been allowed to move forward, there would have been more ratable units to help absorb the reval impact. This is a lose-lose thanks to old timer NIMBYism and VVPA morons thinking they're entitled to free parking for eternity.

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Court win for developer of micro units opposed by neighbors

Updated 1:20 PM; Posted 1:20 PM
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JERSEY CITY -- The four-year fight over a micro-unit building slated for Downtown Jersey City is finally over, with the New Jersey Supreme Court this month declining to hear an appeal by a neighborhood group opposed to the plan.

The court's decision allows developer Rushman-Dillon to move forward with the 87-unit, five-story building, slated for a lot at Bright and Varick streets in the city's Van Vorst Park neighborhood. Neighbors opposed the plan but a Hudson County Superior Court judge in 2014 ordered automatic approval -- meaning the developer can move ahead with construction without approval from the city Planning Board -- because the city failed to OK the project during a time period prescribed by state law.


http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... i.html#incart_river_index

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donnajc65 wrote:...Its clear by the Judges decision that he was sending a message to the city and the community that the law trumps the politics. This is a very strong opinion to grant automatic site plan. Perhaps if the Mayor had hired a professional to run HEDC, he would have had better advice. Instead, Anthony Cruz comes off looking like a political hack of the first order.


The way I see it the manipulation of the law under the previous administration trumped community input.
And someone lost their job.

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if all historic neighborhoods were preserved and the look and feel of those neighborhoods remained the same then we would literally still have dirt roads and wooden houses....


That'd be pretty sweet.

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Its clear by the Judges decision that he was sending a message to the city and the community that the law trumps the politics. This is a very strong opinion to grant automatic site plan. Perhaps if the Mayor had hired a professional to run HEDC, he would have had better advice. Instead, Anthony Cruz comes off looking like a political hack of the first order.


http://www.brightandvarickcourtdecision.com/decision.pdf

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if all historic neighborhoods were preserved and the look and feel of those neighborhoods remained the same then we would literally still have dirt roads and wooden houses....

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i happen to believe that an attractive modern building can complement older brownstown buildings

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Apparently, more than a few people get by with less than $100k per year. The median Jersey City family income per the 2010 census was $58,533. Granted, downtown skews considerably higher (certain census tracts downtown are over $120k median.) But all of Jersey City would qualify as being in the metro NY region.

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Fair enough, but one piece of advice from someone older and (hopefully a little) wiser: don't let your income either depress nor inflate your sense of worth. Money can come or go, sometimes surprisingly easily.

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JCishome wrote:
My good fellow-poster Bodipooh wrote:
"I like my life. I am not going to say that 100K is mediocre (I don't believe it is) but to repeat what someone else has said, it would depress me."

So, to him, it's not mediocre. IS $100K MEDIOCRE OR ISN'T IT, GET YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT!!

Plus, by that logic, teachers don't like their lives. The ones I know seem cheery enough.





Dude, this sure touched some sort of raw nerve in you. Let's see, my statement said two things:
1) 100K salary is not mediocre (to me)
2) such a salary would depress me

Somehow, you took all of that to mean that I consider those making that (or, less) to be losers (nice leap!) and that because I think it would be depressing to me that is somehow incongruous with the previous statement (how so?)

Faux-humility is exactly that: FAKE. If you are proud of your accomplishments, revel in them (if you want) or enjoy them (if you are so inclined) or be embarrassed by them (up to you) but that's a personal decision. Everything that you have accused me of is entirely in your head. None of it was stated by me.

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JCishome wrote:
My good fellow-poster Bodipooh wrote:
"I like my life. I am not going to say that 100K is mediocre (I don't believe it is) but to repeat what someone else has said, it would depress me."

So, to him, it's not mediocre. IS $100K MEDIOCRE OR ISN'T IT, GET YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT!!

Plus, by that logic, teachers don't like their lives. The ones I know seem cheery enough



Again, we said that they are mediocre salaries and yes, that we would be depressed if we earned that. Some people are fine living like that for a variety of reasons (maybe they inherited their house or a substantial sum of money, maybe they have no loans, maybe they have frugal spending habits, maybe they're married to a high earning spouse, etc.). You're needlessly conflating the notion that we wouldn't be satisfied with that with "we must think they're total losers."

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JCishome wrote:
My good fellow-poster Bodipooh wrote:
"I like my life. I am not going to say that 100K is mediocre (I don't believe it is) but to repeat what someone else has said, it would depress me."

So, to him, it's not mediocre. IS $100K MEDIOCRE OR ISN'T IT, GET YOUR STORIES STRAIGHT!!

Plus, by that logic, teachers don't like their lives. The ones I know seem cheery enough.





Actually, by his logic, only people who like to spend a lot of money would not like their lives earning $100k or less. The cheery teachers you know presumably do not fit into this category.

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