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Trump supporters will still get more traction out of Benghazi since it's simpler for them to understand than the concepts of email, servers, domain names, SMTP etc.

I want him to explain the wording of his below statement from his transcript. They did not find direct evidence that the e-mail domain was successfully hacked but they assess that it would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. Huh?

"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton?s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton?s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton?s personal e-mail account."

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pres ... -a-personal-e-mail-system

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Clinton hater will continue their attack, and FBI has given them plenty of ammunition for sure.

But I don't see inconsistencies between Clinton's statements and FBI's assessment as lies.

Not true. In fact, the AP, which if anything is liberally biased, performed a fact check and demonstrated that basically everything Hillary has said on the email issue since it first was public was an outright, demonstrable lie.

Wouldn't count on her to start telling the truth now.

AP FACT CHECK: Clinton email claims collapse under FBI probe

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8 ... 593a34a3d9f993d0f140aecbd

I don't recognize the inconsistencies between Clinton's statements and FBI statement as lies. I would characterize them as misstatements.

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Clinton hater will continue their attack, and FBI has given them plenty of ammunition for sure.

But I don't see inconsistencies between Clinton's statements and FBI's assessment as lies.

Not true. In fact, the AP, which if anything is liberally biased, performed a fact check and demonstrated that basically everything Hillary has said on the email issue since it first was public was an outright, demonstrable lie.

Wouldn't count on her to start telling the truth now.

AP FACT CHECK: Clinton email claims collapse under FBI probe

http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/89ae8 ... 593a34a3d9f993d0f140aecbd

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Should be a pretty lively session tomorrow:

"FBI Director James Comey will explain Thursday to House lawmakers his bombshell decision not to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton over her handling of sensitive emails.

Comey, who took no questions after announcing his decision Tuesday, agreed to go before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee after several lawmakers sought an explanation. In saying he would not press the Justice Department to pursue an indictment against the likely Democrat nominee for president, Comey nonetheless laid out a strong case that she had violated laws regulating government employees' safeguarding of sensitive emails."

Trump supporters will still get more traction out of Benghazi since it's simpler for them to understand than the concepts of email, servers, domain names, SMTP etc.

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Should be a pretty lively session tomorrow:

"FBI Director James Comey will explain Thursday to House lawmakers his bombshell decision not to recommend criminal charges against Hillary Clinton over her handling of sensitive emails.

Comey, who took no questions after announcing his decision Tuesday, agreed to go before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee after several lawmakers sought an explanation. In saying he would not press the Justice Department to pursue an indictment against the likely Democrat nominee for president, Comey nonetheless laid out a strong case that she had violated laws regulating government employees' safeguarding of sensitive emails."

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Trump sure doesn't like Comey, and definitely devalues his integrity by claiming the 'system is rigged'.

I thought Comey was harsh but totally fair and he applied the law as best he could with the evidence they have.

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The rabid leftist bitch Maddow has no answers to Hillary lies so she's shooting the messenger (Comey). That is all she can do.

Actually, Right Wingers are accusing Comey of applying a different set of rules to Clinton than everyone else.

What Comey said is pretty damaging, but people on the left are not blaming Comey of corruption or questioning his integrity.

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Clinton hater will continue their attack, and FBI has given them plenty of ammunition for sure.

But I don't see inconsistencies between Clinton's statements and FBI's assessment as lies.

Her motive was she wanted to conduct both her private matter and official business with one email. This was dumb, but why didn't anyone point it out to her during four years of her tenure? That's why she had believed that it was allowed. She didn't intentionally delete emails. Her system didn't have archiving function. She may have used multiple devices, but who among us doesn't use a phone and a tablet? Her email server might have been replaced just like any hardware gets replaced periodically.

This doesn't look good, of course. But there really is not malicious intent or any aggravating circumstance, and that's why James Comey said, "'no reasonable prosecutor' would bring a case against Clinton for emails." Careless, yes. Criminal, no.

If she really wanted to conduct some questionable activities with shady characters, why would she use the same email address that she uses to conduct official business? If she is a criminal, then she is America's dumbest criminal. She is someone who has started using email in her 50s, like my parents. Just because she is less knowledgeable about email and confused about new technology, that doesn't mean she is a criminal or a liar in my view.

And if you believe that a different set of rules apply to Clinton than everyone else, then you have to believe that James Comey is corrupt. If he is corrupt, then his 200 agents are also corrupt. If they are corrupt, Attorney General is corrupt and so is Obama.

I think that truth is a lot simpler. Clinton made a mistake, and made statements based on her understanding of the matter. There was no malicious intent or damage resulted to the security of the country. That's why FBI didn't find any evidence to bring charges.

All that said, Trump is going to use this to attack Clinton until November. It won't help her attempt to improve her problem with trustworthiness. But in the end, I don't think anyone changed their opinion of her based on this.

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What James Comey and John Roberts have in common

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sh ... roberts-have-common#break

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In conservative circles, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts used to be a respected figure, held in high regard. Roberts enjoyed a lengthy record as a center-right jurist, and when then-President George W. Bush nominated him to the high court, Republicans everywhere were delighted.

Roberts did not, however, stay in the right?s good graces. After the chief justice voted to uphold the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act ? twice ? quite a few conservatives, and even some Republican presidential candidates, turned on Roberts, questioning his judgment, intellect, and integrity.

Right about now, I suspect FBI Director James Comey can relate to how Roberts must feel about his former admirers abruptly changing their opinions.

Comey, in case anyone?s forgotten, is a lifelong Republican who served as a top official in the Bush/Cheney Justice Department. He cut his teeth as a public-sector attorney in the 1990s, when Comey signed on ?as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee,? where he went after, of all people, Hillary Clinton.

I?m not aware of anyone on the right questioning Comey?s abilities or professionalism ahead of yesterday?s announcement in the email matter. On the contrary, Republicans gave Comey a vote of confidence as recently as June. Politico published this report one month ago today:

Should the FBI not recommend an indictment of Hillary Clinton following its investigation of the setup of her private email server, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Monday said he and his Republican colleagues would ?probably? accept the outcome.

?Oh, probably, because we do believe in [FBI Director] James Comey,? the Utah Republican said during an appearance on Fox News? ?Outnumbered.? ?I do think that in all of the government, he is a man of integrity and honesty.?

Yesterday, however, Chaffetz said the exact opposite, and accused Comey of failing to carry out his duties. Other GOP members of Congress made related arguments, while some Republican pundits adopted an even harsher posture.

The pattern matters. John Roberts was an excellent justice, Republicans said, right up until he strayed from the partisan script. Trey Gowdy was the perfect person to lead the GOP?s Benghazi Committee, they said, right up until he failed to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton.

And Jim Comey was a fine FBI director, right up until he left his party dejected by exercising independent judgment.

In reality, Roberts, Gowdy, and Comey aren?t guilty of corruption or partisan betrayals ? their ?failures? exist solely in the minds of lazy ideologues. What their Republican critics don?t seem to appreciate is that their ostensible allies asked them to go too far, ignore their responsibilities, abuse an otherwise legitimate process, and look out for the ?team,? whether the facts warranted it or not.

Comey didn?t play along with a partisan game, and his reward is a round of condemnations from the same people who, up until 24 hours ago, sang their praises.

Maybe this will give birth to a new (or expanded) conspiracy theory that Right Wingers can entertain themselves.

The rabid leftist bitch Maddow has no answers to Hillary lies so she's shooting the messenger (Comey). That is all she can do.

Is it really necessary to call Maddow a bitch? Nothing like mixing some misogyny in with the racism. Just like Brexit is unleashing "a frenzy of racism" - the politics of Trump is bringing out the worst in people.

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What James Comey and John Roberts have in common

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sh ... roberts-have-common#break

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In conservative circles, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts used to be a respected figure, held in high regard. Roberts enjoyed a lengthy record as a center-right jurist, and when then-President George W. Bush nominated him to the high court, Republicans everywhere were delighted.

Roberts did not, however, stay in the right?s good graces. After the chief justice voted to uphold the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act ? twice ? quite a few conservatives, and even some Republican presidential candidates, turned on Roberts, questioning his judgment, intellect, and integrity.

Right about now, I suspect FBI Director James Comey can relate to how Roberts must feel about his former admirers abruptly changing their opinions.

Comey, in case anyone?s forgotten, is a lifelong Republican who served as a top official in the Bush/Cheney Justice Department. He cut his teeth as a public-sector attorney in the 1990s, when Comey signed on ?as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee,? where he went after, of all people, Hillary Clinton.

I?m not aware of anyone on the right questioning Comey?s abilities or professionalism ahead of yesterday?s announcement in the email matter. On the contrary, Republicans gave Comey a vote of confidence as recently as June. Politico published this report one month ago today:

Should the FBI not recommend an indictment of Hillary Clinton following its investigation of the setup of her private email server, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Monday said he and his Republican colleagues would ?probably? accept the outcome.

?Oh, probably, because we do believe in [FBI Director] James Comey,? the Utah Republican said during an appearance on Fox News? ?Outnumbered.? ?I do think that in all of the government, he is a man of integrity and honesty.?

Yesterday, however, Chaffetz said the exact opposite, and accused Comey of failing to carry out his duties. Other GOP members of Congress made related arguments, while some Republican pundits adopted an even harsher posture.

The pattern matters. John Roberts was an excellent justice, Republicans said, right up until he strayed from the partisan script. Trey Gowdy was the perfect person to lead the GOP?s Benghazi Committee, they said, right up until he failed to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton.

And Jim Comey was a fine FBI director, right up until he left his party dejected by exercising independent judgment.

In reality, Roberts, Gowdy, and Comey aren?t guilty of corruption or partisan betrayals ? their ?failures? exist solely in the minds of lazy ideologues. What their Republican critics don?t seem to appreciate is that their ostensible allies asked them to go too far, ignore their responsibilities, abuse an otherwise legitimate process, and look out for the ?team,? whether the facts warranted it or not.

Comey didn?t play along with a partisan game, and his reward is a round of condemnations from the same people who, up until 24 hours ago, sang their praises.

Maybe this will give birth to a new (or expanded) conspiracy theory that Right Wingers can entertain themselves.

The rabid leftist bitch Maddow has no answers to Hillary lies so she's shooting the messenger (Comey). That is all she can do.

Posted on: 2016/7/6 14:42

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In my view, this was also the state department's system's failure. Yes, she made a dumb mistake, wanting to use one email address for her private business and official business.
But wasn't there anyone (or a system) in the department that told her that what she wanted to do was not a good idea?

she used multiple email addresses, devices and servers despite her claims otherwise making her a flat out liar.

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What James Comey and John Roberts have in common

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sh ... roberts-have-common#break

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In conservative circles, Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts used to be a respected figure, held in high regard. Roberts enjoyed a lengthy record as a center-right jurist, and when then-President George W. Bush nominated him to the high court, Republicans everywhere were delighted.

Roberts did not, however, stay in the right?s good graces. After the chief justice voted to uphold the constitutionality of the Affordable Care Act ? twice ? quite a few conservatives, and even some Republican presidential candidates, turned on Roberts, questioning his judgment, intellect, and integrity.

Right about now, I suspect FBI Director James Comey can relate to how Roberts must feel about his former admirers abruptly changing their opinions.

Comey, in case anyone?s forgotten, is a lifelong Republican who served as a top official in the Bush/Cheney Justice Department. He cut his teeth as a public-sector attorney in the 1990s, when Comey signed on ?as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee,? where he went after, of all people, Hillary Clinton.

I?m not aware of anyone on the right questioning Comey?s abilities or professionalism ahead of yesterday?s announcement in the email matter. On the contrary, Republicans gave Comey a vote of confidence as recently as June. Politico published this report one month ago today:

Should the FBI not recommend an indictment of Hillary Clinton following its investigation of the setup of her private email server, House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) on Monday said he and his Republican colleagues would ?probably? accept the outcome.

?Oh, probably, because we do believe in [FBI Director] James Comey,? the Utah Republican said during an appearance on Fox News? ?Outnumbered.? ?I do think that in all of the government, he is a man of integrity and honesty.?

Yesterday, however, Chaffetz said the exact opposite, and accused Comey of failing to carry out his duties. Other GOP members of Congress made related arguments, while some Republican pundits adopted an even harsher posture.

The pattern matters. John Roberts was an excellent justice, Republicans said, right up until he strayed from the partisan script. Trey Gowdy was the perfect person to lead the GOP?s Benghazi Committee, they said, right up until he failed to dig up dirt on Hillary Clinton.

And Jim Comey was a fine FBI director, right up until he left his party dejected by exercising independent judgment.

In reality, Roberts, Gowdy, and Comey aren?t guilty of corruption or partisan betrayals ? their ?failures? exist solely in the minds of lazy ideologues. What their Republican critics don?t seem to appreciate is that their ostensible allies asked them to go too far, ignore their responsibilities, abuse an otherwise legitimate process, and look out for the ?team,? whether the facts warranted it or not.

Comey didn?t play along with a partisan game, and his reward is a round of condemnations from the same people who, up until 24 hours ago, sang their praises.

Maybe this will give birth to a new (or expanded) conspiracy theory that Right Wingers can entertain themselves.

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She also lied to the media:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016- ... ollapse-under-fbi-n604526

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In my view, this was also the state department's system's failure. Yes, she made a dumb mistake, wanting to use one email address for her private business and official business.
But wasn't there anyone (or a system) in the department that told her that what she wanted to do was not a good idea?

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We wouldn't want an "extremely careless" Commander in Chief with her hand on all those nuke buttons now would we?

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I don't think this email thing changed anyone's view of Clinton.

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Regarding her State Department email practices, "my predecessors did the same thing."
? Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, March 9th, 2016 in a Univision/Washington Post Democratic debate

POLITIFACT 3/9/2016:

Our ruling

Clinton said, regarding her State Department email practices, "my predecessors did the same thing."

This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email, Colin Powell.
Powell did use a personal email address for government business, however he did not use a private server kept at his home, as Clinton did.

We rate this claim Mostly False.

Powell grandstanded with classified reports on yellowcake to the General Assembly to justify the invasion of Iraq. Is that information declassified?

I call bullshit on the bullshit.

Have no idea what your point is here? Like most democrat talking points probably irrelevant to main topicand totally inaccurate.

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trump is one sick, demented soul if he truly believes that clinton's email carelessness is worse than david petraeus giving classified info to his girlfriend.

Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice were also guilty of doing the same thing as Hillary, using their personal email for classified information. Where was the outrage there?

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Those are more lies put out by ClintonCamp to distract from Clinton malfeasance. Both Clinton and the General broke the same Govt Security Laws. I can't wait for hackers to start Releasing emails from those servers.

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This is the link to the FBI?s entire statement ?wow? no wonder the media is being very selective on what it is pulling out of it. (wouldn't want to make Hillary look bad)

https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/pres ... -a-personal-e-mail-system

"With respect to potential computer intrusion by hostile actors, we did not find direct evidence that Secretary Clinton?s personal e-mail domain, in its various configurations since 2009, was successfully hacked. But, given the nature of the system and of the actors potentially involved, we assess that we would be unlikely to see such direct evidence. We do assess that hostile actors gained access to the private commercial e-mail accounts of people with whom Secretary Clinton was in regular contact from her personal account. We also assess that Secretary Clinton?s use of a personal e-mail domain was both known by a large number of people and readily apparent. She also used her personal e-mail extensively while outside the United States, including sending and receiving work-related e-mails in the territory of sophisticated adversaries. Given that combination of factors, we assess it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton?s personal e-mail account."

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i thought i read somewhere that trump used his non-profit foundation to buy a hat for himself at a charitable auction. SHAME!

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Regarding her State Department email practices, "my predecessors did the same thing."
? Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, March 9th, 2016 in a Univision/Washington Post Democratic debate

POLITIFACT 3/9/2016:

Our ruling

Clinton said, regarding her State Department email practices, "my predecessors did the same thing."

This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email, Colin Powell.
Powell did use a personal email address for government business, however he did not use a private server kept at his home, as Clinton did.

We rate this claim Mostly False.

Powell grandstanded with classified reports on yellowcake to the General Assembly to justify the invasion of Iraq. Is that information declassified?

I call bullshit on the bullshit.

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Tyson was convicted of rape and also beat up hookers.

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wow. seeing mike tyson support trump def makes me want to vote for trump. did tyson beat his wife?

Tyson went to prison for rape.

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wow. seeing mike tyson support trump def makes me want to vote for trump. did tyson beat his wife?

I thought that it was some girl he knew, but not his wife.

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wow. seeing mike tyson support trump def makes me want to vote for trump. did tyson beat his wife?

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Regarding her State Department email practices, "my predecessors did the same thing."
? Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, March 9th, 2016 in a Univision/Washington Post Democratic debate

POLITIFACT 3/9/2016:

Our ruling

Clinton said, regarding her State Department email practices, "my predecessors did the same thing."

This is a misleading claim chiefly because only one prior secretary of state regularly used email, Colin Powell.
Powell did use a personal email address for government business, however he did not use a private server kept at his home, as Clinton did.

We rate this claim Mostly False.

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trump is one sick, demented soul if he truly believes that clinton's email carelessness is worse than david petraeus giving classified info to his girlfriend.

Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice were also guilty of doing the same thing as Hillary, using their personal email for classified information. Where was the outrage there?

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trump is one sick, demented soul if he truly believes that clinton's email carelessness is worse than david petraeus giving classified info to his girlfriend.

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Death of Another Right Wing Dream....

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-co ... -server/story?id=40346712

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/05/politic ... illary-clinton/index.html

FBI director doesn't recommend charges against Hillary Clinton but calls her 'extremely careless'

"..."Our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case," Comey announced after a lengthy recap of the investigation the FBI conducted.
But Comey delivered a stunning tongue lashing of Clinton and her State Department colleagues. His stinging critique came just hours before Clinton is scheduled to campaign with President Barack Obama for the first time this election season....

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