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I don't disagree that New Jersey should merge about 2/3 of its municipalities and eliminate about 80% of school districts. However, the primary reason this has not been done is that white school districts don't want their children to attend schools with minorities, and municipalities don't want to merge either because they prefer racial or economic segregation over lower taxes. However, that's describing a problem of property taxes, not income taxes, and has nothing to do with state funded infrastructure projects or other state services.
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It is amusing you talk about unsophisticated individuals yet don't know the difference between "fair" and "fare." You also cut out the entire argument that the government isn't "starved" of anything, the revenue is already there in the form of bloat and corruption and can simply be reallocated. How about this? You adjust your ideology to agree the first place the government should look for new revenue is in cutting the bloat and waste from itself and reallocating it. Then, after trimming the fat, if there is not enough money, we can require corporations and high net worth individuals (the devil is in the details) to pay their "fair share."
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The amazing part about this argument is its usually made by people who would most benefit from a more progressive taxation system. When corporations and high wealth individuals pay their fare share, we all benefit from services, the economy grows, and everyone ends up with a better quality of life. When unsophisticated individuals buy into this nonsense about lower taxes, we starve the government of the revenue it needs to provide services and invest and maintain infrastructure resulting in decreased quality of life and stagnant economy.
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by Cezary Podkul, ProPublica on August 17, 2015
When we wrote in April about New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie?s budget ?sins,? one of the biggest was the money shuffle he engineered after his 2010 decision to kill an $8.7 billion commuter rail tunnel from New Jersey to New York City. That decision, which boosted him to national prominence, was a major bragging point for years. But now he?s playing tunnel defense rather than his customary offense amid a torrent of terrible tunnel news: lengthy delays in the century-old rail tunnel commuters are stuck with now; jockeying among New Jersey, New York and Amtrak over how to pay for a new $14 billion tunnel; and warnings of chronic failures and shutdowns if something isn?t done soon to add rail capacity. Had Christie not spiked the so-called ARC tunnel, it would be coming online in about three years. But now, as Christie runs for president on his claim of having been a prudent and competent guardian of New Jersey?s finances, the tunnel problems have inspired a spate of news reports, including one by The Record newspaper in New Jersey?s Bergen County saying the cancellation wasted $1.2 billion that had been spent on engineering. More
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Posted on: 2015/8/18 3:23
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No, the answer isn't just keep raising taxes. We are already taxed to the brink. The answer is go into the tremendously bloated government and start cutting out waste. We have over 500 municipalities, most of which have their own local government, along with the fundamentally useless county government. Start hacking into that and use the savings for better purposes.
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lol, Christie was allowed to 'steal' the money? Jeez.
The Pulaski Skyway deal was payback for the One WTC PA money. And yes, I feel that the Port Authority should be crushed and absorbed by both states, with much greater accountability. But overall, it's been more of a benefit for NY than NJ.
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At the time the Port Authority was created it was responsible for bi-state projects. Then its scope was expanded to economic development within 25 miles of the Statue of Liberty to allow for the World Trade Center. Then it was expanded again to include Stewart International Airport and then to take control of managing Atlantic City International. Because Cuomo and Christie are mutually corrupt, they were both making a money grab for Port Authority funds. For Cuomo, he wanted to offset the cost of the Tappan Zee bridge. When New Jersey refused to let the money flow, he cut out the rail-ready design to cheapen the bridge. Christie of course went ahead and stole money for the Pulaski without approval, but that was at least justified as the counterbalance to the investment in the World Trade Center site. Either way, New Yorkers really don't give a single shit whether or not New Jersey residents can get to the high paying jobs of Manhattan easily or whether they have to sit on a bus for three hours waiting to get into Port Authority Bus terminal. For the several billion dollars you expect New York to contribute, an entire phase of the Second Avenue subway could be built or the Tri-Boro X subway line could be built or the trains in south Brooklyn could be extended. With a little luck, Cuomo and Christie can share a jail cell and reflect on how they both fucked over the tristate area.
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And Ian, look up the history of the Tappan Zee bridge. When they first built it, it was done to be outside the zone of the Port Authority-because the NY State Thruway wanted all the toll money. It was pretty cheap to do construction in those days. This time, they wanted to include the Port Authority because things have changed dollar wise.
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Spoken like a true hipster living in a rent stabilized apartment in Brooklyn, lol.
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If New York is going to contribute towards a tunnel, NJTransit should pay rent in perpetuity to New York to offset the lost capital that could otherwise be used on the subway system or other transportation projects.
At least with the ARC tunnel, Port Jervis and Spring Valley trains would have connected directly to Manhattan. That could have been a convenient argument for getting funds from the MTA. But the Gateway tunnel is not going to connect the Bergen county train lines to midtown, so its even more useless to New York. Really, New York should be investing in a rail line crossing the Hudson in the north that can link to the Metro North lines and Amtrak lines. Cuomo's too much of a dipshit to committed to running a train line over the Tappan Zee replacement, but that could have helped serve southern upstate and northern New Jersey. But come to think of it, Cuomo did ask for the Port Authority to contribute to the bridge to fund the rail line-- and again New Jersey balked at that. So when it comes back down to it, New Jersey is asking for a handout on the Hudson tunnel project insisting its a regional issue while simultaneously rejecting using Port Authority funds for regional transit in the north.
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I don't know who "The Torch" is... I can only state that Menendez is scum.
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Not likely! It's rumored that The Torch wants to run! He's worse than Menendez! At least Menendez sold his soul to someone out of state, The Torch made his deals in NJ!
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Lol! Sadly, I didn't get a run in... I don't disagree that NJ would benefit greatly from a shared expense. I have *always* agreed that our reps should be doing more to get money back into NJ. It's a pet peeve of mine that they fall very short. Maybe when Menendez is in jail, he'll be replaced by someone that can do a job...
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Pebble, is it the heat, or are you coming around a bit? :)
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While I see trains into NYC is more of a benefit to NJ than NY, I agree with everything stated above. In the end, there will be overruns because no project goes by flawlessly and this would be a very equal distribution.
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AMTRAK owns the freaking tunnels, and hasn't put a dime into them in 100 years. It's a Federal issue, it's a national infrastructure issue, and it shouldn't be on the ass of NJ to fix the problem. NJ already gets screwed more than just about every state (are we 1 or 2) in return of Federal money, and our Senators have done a piss poor job of bringing back the funds.
Yes, I know it's the red states that do a better job. And yes, AMTRAK is funded by Congress, which recently is Republican. But Obama gave out billions in stimulus funds, had control of Congress when he was elected, and talks about being a 'green' POTUS-and what's more green than mass transit? So like Cuomo has suggested, the Feds should pony up 80%, and let NJ, NY, and the Port Authority put up the rest. And everyone should share proportionally in the inevitable cost overruns.
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Both NY and NJ benefit from it and should receive funding. How you exactly allocate who benefits how much is subject to debate and somewhat murky. But as I think I mentioned elsewhere, when NJ Transit has delays, Christie's constituents are a lot more immediately affected, and a lot angrier, than Cuomo's constituents. So that political reality plays a role which I think Christie needs to acknowledge.
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That's a bullshit argument, because virtually all of those commuters from NJ pay NY state income tax, while not partaking of NYS education, prison costs, etc. Not to mention the money spent daily by NJ commuters at stores, benefitting NY business owners and contributing to the sales tax. (And did you know your NY tax rate is based on your total family income, not just what you earn in NY?)
It was a sucker deal for NJ, and Christie's kibosh will end up saving NJ residents billions, even counting on the fact the cost will rise by the delay. For the life of me, I can't figure out how some NJ residents enjoy getting screwed over by NY.
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How about this paragraph in the article?? Quote:
NYS is trying to get all the benefits associated with a new tunnel without having to contribute on equal terms. I know people love to hate on Christie, but I think he was right on demanding that all beneficiaries share equally on the funding pains of this project.
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There is something so wrong about Krispie Cream Christie. He put the kibosh on the deal because he thought NJ would end up footing too much of the tab? Doesn't that loud mouth bully know how to negotiate a deal?
When Hurricane Sandy hit NJ, it was Christie who was the real disaster. He has made a mess of NJ and now wants to become President? Sigh.
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