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On the topic of drivers slowing down at intersections- what else are you supposed to do now that it's law that pedestrians have the right of way if there's no traffic light? I slow down at corners without stop signs on local streets because I'm looking out for pedestrians that have the right of way. It's basically up to the driver to spot the pedestrian since technically they are now allowed to wander into the road at any point as long as they are within the crosswalk.

Not disagreeing with this being annoying but that's my guess for why drivers are yielding even when they don't have the stop sign.

Ummm, this has always been the law for pedestrian right of way. What makes you think its new?

TonyTwoPoops wrote:
On the topic of drivers slowing down at intersections- what else are you supposed to do now that it's law that pedestrians have the right of way if there's no traffic light? I slow down at corners without stop signs on local streets because I'm looking out for pedestrians that have the right of way. It's basically up to the driver to spot the pedestrian since technically they are now allowed to wander into the road at any point as long as they are within the crosswalk.

Not disagreeing with this being annoying but that's my guess for why drivers are yielding even when they don't have the stop sign.

TonyTwoPoops wrote:
On the topic of drivers slowing down at intersections- what else are you supposed to do now that it's law that pedestrians have the right of way if there's no traffic light? I slow down at corners without stop signs on local streets because I'm looking out for pedestrians that have the right of way. It's basically up to the driver to spot the pedestrian since technically they are now allowed to wander into the road at any point as long as they are within the crosswalk.

Not disagreeing with this being annoying but that's my guess for why drivers are yielding even when they don't have the stop sign.

yourdogisbored wrote:
While we're on the subject of annoying driving habits of Jersey City residents, what's up with JC drivers who seem to be under the impression that when the light turns green, the car making a left hand turn has the right of way? It's like a game of chicken leading up to the light change between the car that wants to go straight and the car that wants to turn left. Both drivers are watching the crosswalk indicators flashing waiting for the "Don't Walk" so they can gun it the split-second before the light turns green. And god forbid, the car that wants to go straight beats the turning car to the punch (as it should be because the car going straight has the right of way), the driver of the turning car will usually lay on their horn and unleash some profanities, like they were in the right. I've never understood this phenomenon. It's so unique to JC.

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dtjcview wrote:
Anything that slows traffic through local streets is good. And I'd count double parking and crawling through intersections in that. Personally I'd like to see stretches around schools permanently closed to through traffic.

EXCEPT: official calming measures - speed bumps, sidewalk bump-outs, stop signs - have a standard protocol (though many in this town don't seem to know it).

double-parkers and intersection numbskulls throw the whole system off, leading frustrated drivers to do stupid, sometimes reckless workaround maneuvers, adding another element of danger to our streets.

We don't need stupid reckless drivers on local streets. Period.

Well, I would think everyone would agree with that statement. But, the point that some people seem intent on ignoring is that by failing to follow the ESTABLISHED rules of the road, even when you THINK you are being safer or more prudent, you are actually messing with a system that has little room for error. And, the result, whether you realize it or not, is upset drivers that are more prone to acting in ways that are reckless and not quite prudent. This is why cops are cracking down on people who drive too slow, or who fail to follow expected behaviors. That may "feel" safer to you, but you are imposing YOUR CHOICE on others, and the others will react with anger, annoyance, or mild displeasure, naturally. It is no different than being annoyed by the guy who refuses to make a turn in a TURN ONLY lane, or the one who insists on making a left turn from a right lane, or any other behavior that is outside of what is expected of them based on established rules or tradition.

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heights wrote:

I'm a bit leery of that 23%.

Feel free to check my data source, which I posted.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20 ... -born.html?abt=0002&abg=1

US census is pretty reliable. And, from some related writing I'm doing, ~40 million (legal) immigrants are among the current US population: that's 13% overall. So 23% in NJ, which is more of an immigration magnet, makes sense.

Source: http://www.census.gov/library/infographics/foreign_born.html

heights wrote:

I'm a bit leery of that 23%.

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dtjcview wrote:
Anything that slows traffic through local streets is good. And I'd count double parking and crawling through intersections in that. Personally I'd like to see stretches around schools permanently closed to through traffic.

EXCEPT: official calming measures - speed bumps, sidewalk bump-outs, stop signs - have a standard protocol (though many in this town don't seem to know it).

double-parkers and intersection numbskulls throw the whole system off, leading frustrated drivers to do stupid, sometimes reckless workaround maneuvers, adding another element of danger to our streets.

We don't need stupid reckless drivers on local streets. Period.

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Fomite wrote:
Amen! There are a lot SUV driving, double wide stroller pushing people that belong in the suburbs!

They need to go back to Ohio ASAP.

Or even Bklyn will do, as JC is full of these yuppie types.

Perfect irony: the guy who starts a thread titled "Buying 'Hold' Properties in JC Ghetto" (seeking input from "savy investors" [sic]) calling others out as yuppie types.

I'm sure I speak for many Ohio natives when I say it was a lifelong dream to move here and have you as a neighbor.

And - BTW - you're just wrong.

US Census data on migration into NJ (2012)

Born in NJ: 53%
Born outside US: 23%
Born in NY: 11%
Born in PA: 5%

Born in other states:
Born in South: 3%
Born in Midwest: 2%
Born in Northeast: 2%
Born in West: 1%

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20 ... -born.html?abt=0002&abg=1

Mrs bre debile u tri picke materine.

I'm a bit leery of that 23%.

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Fomite wrote:
Amen! There are a lot SUV driving, double wide stroller pushing people that belong in the suburbs!

They need to go back to Ohio ASAP.

Or even Bklyn will do, as JC is full of these yuppie types.

Perfect irony: the guy who starts a thread titled "Buying 'Hold' Properties in JC Ghetto" (seeking input from "savy investors" [sic]) calling others out as yuppie types.

I'm sure I speak for many Ohio natives when I say it was a lifelong dream to move here and have you as a neighbor.

And - BTW - you're just wrong.

US Census data on migration into NJ (2012)

Born in NJ: 53%
Born outside US: 23%
Born in NY: 11%
Born in PA: 5%

Born in other states:
Born in South: 3%
Born in Midwest: 2%
Born in Northeast: 2%
Born in West: 1%

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/20 ... -born.html?abt=0002&abg=1

Mrs bre debile u tri picke materine.

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dtjcview wrote:
Anything that slows traffic through local streets is good. And I'd count double parking and crawling through intersections in that. Personally I'd like to see stretches around schools permanently closed to through traffic.

EXCEPT: official calming measures - speed bumps, sidewalk bump-outs, stop signs - have a standard protocol (though many in this town don't seem to know it).

double-parkers and intersection numbskulls throw the whole system off, leading frustrated drivers to do stupid, sometimes reckless workaround maneuvers, adding another element of danger to our streets.

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Amen! There are a lot SUV driving, double wide stroller pushing people that belong in the suburbs!

They need to go back to Ohio ASAP.

Or even Bklyn will do, as JC is full of these yuppie types.

dtjcview wrote:
Anything that slows traffic through local streets is good. And I'd count double parking and crawling through intersections in that. Personally I'd like to see stretches around schools permanently closed to through traffic.

Frank_M wrote:
Like Robin, I also have greater faith in Newton?s first law of motion than I do other drivers. I don?t cross any intersection where I?m stopped?whether on foot, on a bicycle, or in a car?without first making sure that an approaching car on an intersecting course is decelerating. I don?t know which blessed rule that violates, but it certainly respects the laws of physics and the consequences of ignoring them.

bodhipooh wrote:
Your perceived "safer way" of doing things can actually trigger an accident or incident. It drives me NUTS that some people in DTJC streets jam on their brakes at each intersection whether a STOP sign is present or not. You think you are being safer, but you are failing to live up to what others around you expect you to do, which can precipitate an accident or close call. Sometimes, I see people come to a multi-way STOP sign and they refuse to proceed until no other cars are present in the intersecting road. Those people are impeding traffic. I once witnessed a car stop at a corner with a STOP sign, and the driver was refusing to proceed once it was safe to do so, even though there was a cop right behind her honking at her to proceed forward. After almost a full minute of this non sense, the cop got out of his patrol car and instructed the woman to pull over. I didn't stick around to see the final outcome, but I would have loved to hear the exchange.

Learn the rules of the road, and follow them. The rules exist for your protection and that of others.

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Did you know that some localities and states are stepping up enforcement of motorists failing to follow basic rules of the road in the name of "safety"??

tern wrote:
Ok bodipooh, you continue pulling out, I'll continue to wait and see what the other guy does, I am not going to pull out in front of a car until I can see he is stopping. And I damn sure ain't pulling out based on what I think signs say by looking at the back of them! Same at a pedestrian crossing, stop sign or not, I don't start crossing until the driver is clearly stopping.

Is it worth getting frustrated and angry with other drivers because they delay you 10 seconds on your journey by waiting at a stop sign? What's your rush?

Robin.

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So what are the "2 way stop" strips for, if it is so easy and obvious to look the other direction and detect what signs the other guy has from looking at the back of them?
The DMV obviously thinks they are needed.

Imagine the defence you would mount in court "well, I saw what seemed to be an octagonal sign from the back, so I pulled out, how was I to know it wasn't a stop sign your honour?"

Robin.

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So what are the "2 way stop" strips for, if it is so easy and obvious to look the other direction and detect what signs the other guy has from looking at the back of them?
The DMV obviously thinks they are needed.

Imagine the defence you would mount in court "well, I saw what seemed to be an octagonal sign from the back, so I pulled out, how was I to know it wasn't a stop sign your honour?"

Robin.

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Brewster,

You repeatedly bring up this multi-way stop sign issue, but the answer is straightforward.

The reason people wait at multi-way stop signs is that they are not sure whether there is a stop sign the other way or not, those little bars that say 2 way or 3 way stop are not reliably in place, so when you pull up to an unfamiliar junction, you have no idea what the guy going the other way is being instructed to do by his signage (let alone what they will actually do, which as you know often departs radically from what they are supposed to do!).

So you naturally play it safe and wait and see what the other guy does.


Robin.

there are "2-way" signs at 1st and Erie, and yet people either blow right through them, or wait until 3 cars have passed.

I'm convinced that nobody in this town ever took the written part of the driver's test.

tern wrote:
Brewster,

You repeatedly bring up this multi-way stop sign issue, but the answer is straightforward.

The reason people wait at multi-way stop signs is that they are not sure whether there is a stop sign the other way or not, those little bars that say 2 way or 3 way stop are not reliably in place, so when you pull up to an unfamiliar junction, you have no idea what the guy going the other way is being instructed to do by his signage (let alone what they will actually do, which as you know often departs radically from what they are supposed to do!).

So you naturally play it safe and wait and see what the other guy does.


Robin.

tern wrote:
Brewster,

You repeatedly bring up this multi-way stop sign issue, but the answer is straightforward.

The reason people wait at multi-way stop signs is that they are not sure whether there is a stop sign the other way or not, those little bars that say 2 way or 3 way stop are not reliably in place, so when you pull up to an unfamiliar junction, you have no idea what the guy going the other way is being instructed to do by his signage (let alone what they will actually do, which as you know often departs radically from what they are supposed to do!).

So you naturally play it safe and wait and see what the other guy does.


Robin.