bodhipooh wrote:
And, by the way, an stagnating murder rate is not something to crow about, when just about every other major city has seen declining murder rates for the past decade, and year on year.

Among the 10 largest cities in the US, Chicago is second only to Philadelphia. Among the 20 largest cities in the US, it is third, surpassed only by Detroit (duh!) and Philadelphia. In that top 20 group, the next closest city has a murder rate that is a full third lower.

marullos88 wrote:
Here's the evaluation of the Cease Fire/Cure Violence program in Chicago, and other neighborhoods in other cities. I didn't say that the program was implemented across all Chicago.
http://cureviolence.org/results/scientific-evaluations/


The story about Richmond is one case study that can help others, myself included, give some more thought to how, why, where gun violence occurs. Similar statistics have been found in other cities, where the gun violence can be attributed to very small groups of people. Another example, from Chicago, "70 percent of nonfatal injuries occur within networks containing 6 percent of the city's population." http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277953614000987

The fact that the cities are different doesn't make it useless, unless you say learning and thinking is useless. It helps us ask different questions, such as, who is actually doing this, how many of them, and how can this be prevented?

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There is SO MUCH WRONG with your post. There is no such thing as a successful program to reduce gun violence in Chicago.

Just this past weekend, they had 47 people shot and wounded, and 2 homicides. That's 1 person per hour. You call that a success?? If anyone wants to see what a hellhole Chicago has become (which shows no sign of improving, or abating) check out this site, which is tracking the mayhem in the Windy City:
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And yet that hellhole is not even in the top ten in the US, nor is it really getting worse (kind of stagnated at about the same level in 04 and half of the highest rate, with '12 ticking up a bit but subsequent years back down to that 04 baseline).

Saying it's become a hellhole is a bit inflammatory when it's hovering right around the lowest murder rate it has had in the last 45 years or so.

Chicago has a lot of issues, but it's hard to make the case that it has been getting significantly worse in recent years.

http://heyjackass.com/yearly-murder-trend-1957-2013/

moobycow wrote:
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bodhipooh wrote:

There is SO MUCH WRONG with your post. There is no such thing as a successful program to reduce gun violence in Chicago.

Just this past weekend, they had 47 people shot and wounded, and 2 homicides. That's 1 person per hour. You call that a success?? If anyone wants to see what a hellhole Chicago has become (which shows no sign of improving, or abating) check out this site, which is tracking the mayhem in the Windy City:
.

And yet that hellhole is not even in the top ten in the US, nor is it really getting worse (kind of stagnated at about the same level in 04 and half of the highest rate, with '12 ticking up a bit but subsequent years back down to that 04 baseline).

Saying it's become a hellhole is a bit inflammatory when it's hovering right around the lowest murder rate it has had in the last 45 years or so.

Chicago has a lot of issues, but it's hard to make the case that it has been getting significantly worse in recent years.

http://heyjackass.com/yearly-murder-trend-1957-2013/

bodhipooh wrote:

There is SO MUCH WRONG with your post. There is no such thing as a successful program to reduce gun violence in Chicago.

Just this past weekend, they had 47 people shot and wounded, and 2 homicides. That's 1 person per hour. You call that a success?? If anyone wants to see what a hellhole Chicago has become (which shows no sign of improving, or abating) check out this site, which is tracking the mayhem in the Windy City:
.

marullos88 wrote:

There are some programs that have been successful in reducing gun violence, look up cease fire in Chicago. They use public health tactics, including marketing campaigns, street outreach, community awareness and mentorship to target the very specific people, usually very young,who engage in this violence.?

In Richmond California the y found that 70% of shootings came from the same 17 individuals. Which makes sense to me because I've met a lot of my neighbors and they're great, so I was wondering who the hell are the people who are engaged in the shootings?? It's a very, very small minority. And they seem to benefit from targeted social work interventions. Would love to see something like that here. But wonder how innovative the city is willing to be.

marullos88 wrote:

There are some programs that have been successful in reducing gun violence, look up cease fire in Chicago. They use public health tactics, including marketing campaigns, street outreach, community awareness and mentorship to target the very specific people, usually very young,who engage in this violence.?

In Richmond California the y found that 70% of shootings came from the same 17 individuals. Which makes sense to me because I've met a lot of my neighbors and they're great, so I was wondering who the hell are the people who are engaged in the shootings?? It's a very, very small minority. And they seem to benefit from targeted social work interventions. Would love to see something like that here. But wonder how innovative the city is willing to be.

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Another drive by was reported last month as I recall. It's too bad, because if the area cleaned up it could be quite nice.

i agree the area could be quite nice..but nothing will change until the government stats locking away these felons for 20-30 years

Then we will hear more cries of racism.

i think the police need to respect everyone's consitutional rights, but if one is caught with weapons (maybe they get sometype of approval before stop and frisk) or have metal detectors or body scanners)...anyway, i read somehwere that 70% of the murders in chicago are committed by african-americans who comprise only 33% of chicago's population, and we knew that it is mostly men who commit murders..so 17% of the population doing 67% of the killing

So we'd put the "body scanners" in the park?

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Another drive by was reported last month as I recall. It's too bad, because if the area cleaned up it could be quite nice.

i agree the area could be quite nice..but nothing will change until the government stats locking away these felons for 20-30 years

Then we will hear more cries of racism.

i think the police need to respect everyone's consitutional rights, but if one is caught with weapons (maybe they get sometype of approval before stop and frisk) or have metal detectors or body scanners)...anyway, i read somehwere that 70% of the murders in chicago are committed by african-americans who comprise only 33% of chicago's population, and we knew that it is mostly men who commit murders..so 17% of the population doing 67% of the killing

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Another drive by was reported last month as I recall. It's too bad, because if the area cleaned up it could be quite nice.

i agree the area could be quite nice..but nothing will change until the government stats locking away these felons for 20-30 years

Then we will hear more cries of racism.

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Monroe wrote:
Another drive by was reported last month as I recall. It's too bad, because if the area cleaned up it could be quite nice.

i agree the area could be quite nice..but nothing will change until the government stats locking away these felons for 20-30 years

Monroe wrote:
Another drive by was reported last month as I recall. It's too bad, because if the area cleaned up it could be quite nice.