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Agreed Christine, and obviously RU doesn't understand demographic migration, and needs vs available units. To his assertion that units in West Hoboken are "way cheaper" than those closer to the PATH, he (she?) couldn't be more wrong.
What is currently driving price of units in Hoboken is the newness of buildings an the amenities which they offer. Two and three bedroom places on Monroe and Harrison, directly across the street from the projects, go for the same (exact) price as comparably sized units on the other side of town. Heck, the new buildings on Harrison have units that start at $4500 per month. If you're looking for sale prices, new (construction) units on Monroe around 5th/6th are selling, and have sold for anywhere from $700K to $850K. By RU's assertions, that is not possible. People in Hoboken want convenience, which is why places near Washington (for the past 20 years) have been pricer, because of more food/convenience of items. Now with bus routes in the backside, the light rail, and even uber, living in the west side of Hoboken is just as pricey. The new buildings back by Shop Rite are pricey, and the ones over by the (new and improved!) viaduct, pricey as well. Heck, the new "loft" building over on Jersey and 18th starts units around $3K and higher, and that building is near NOTHING except the Hoboken Motorcycle Club! And, that building is full, and they are putting up even more buildings right there as we speak. As long as newer units continue to be built that are nicer and more lux than old units (in Hoboken), the prices will continue to go up, no matter which part of Hoboken they are in. Have a great day!
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What you're missing is that people are trying to offer newcomers a guide to neighborhoods based on what their needs may be. You are telling people that they should live by the Path because that is what matters. Not everyone chooses a neighborhood because of proximity to the PATH. Everyone knows where the PATH stations are (and that, yes, they are getting more - not less - congested due to development). People want to know what neighborhoods have to offer - they already know where the Path stations are.
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There's plans for a lot of things. That doesn't mean they're happening around the corner.
West side Hoboken is way cheaper than eastern blocks- because those are closer to the PATH, ferry and further from the projects. Also Uber has all kinds of upcharges and is not always reliable. If it's not about the PATH then why not BL or Greenville they are even cheaper than the suburbs! The neighborhoods that have gentrified always have the 24-7 access. Brooklyn and Queens are the evidence. And, you can define "near" however you wish but the west side of Hoboken generally west of Madison is considered way less desirable and that is part because of the projects over there.
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speaking of hoboken projects, they same relatively compared with montgomery gardens. just my 2 drachma
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I took the elevator down a couple days ago. What you'll first see when you cross the light rail tracks is The Tilted Kilt below some newer condos. Look around and it's mostly converted warehouses to new condos, yuppies with strollers, and there's a big empty lot cleared for new construction. I Googled for Hoboken projects and I believe they are indeed on Jackson Ave. on 3rd to 5th? The elevator is on 9th. But really, Hoboken is so small compared to JC, that a large chunk of the mile square city is a stone's throw from section 8 housing. That fact however, hasn't stopped Hoboken's popularity nor it's property values. And yes, even on it's west side.
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I happened to be at the shop rite in Hoboken an hour ago (which is walking distance from the Congress elevator), and I was tempted to drive over and take a picture of the Hoboken Projects. I didn't have time to do it, so I was happy to see that you restated that the projects are NOT right near the elevator. Quote:
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Pebble,
It's actually not about my passion for the area. It's about facts. Thank you not attempting to negate what I've said (sincerely - not sarcasm). Why do people seem unaware that all along Kennedy Blvd, jitneys and buses go DIRECTLY into midtown Manhattan?? It's been happening for years. As for federal subsidies for development, those still won't create a neighborhood AND plans are just that until they are actually built. I'm not entirely sure that many people like the Newport-style development. I never lived in the Heights because it was all I could afford; I lived there because it had what I wanted. I don't presume to know what others' want, so I tend to stick with facts and let others choose based on opinions. What I do not do is pass misinformation or talk about future plans that have yet to materialize. That helps nobody who is trying to ascertain what area suits them best. Quote:
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I don't really understand RU's assertion that the projects are "right" there at the elevator as they certainly are not. And if he knows anything about the (insane) development plan for Hoboken's Western Edge, he'd know that every square inch is accounted for back there for more residential development, commercial development, and open space/parks.
As for young folks moving to the Heights - we see many of them nowadays. Most that we've spoken to are happy to go "out" to Hoboken, or to Downtown JC, and those who we've spoken to who like NYC all use Uber, which gets you back home in the blink of an eye for $15. It blows my mind that I can get home from NYC for less than the cabbies usually charge to get from Hoboken to Downtown JC. Crazy. Other transportation the newbies are visibly getting accustomed to, is the army of jitneys that run thru the Heights. I sure hope the Heights doesn't develop the way Journal Square is going to. I don't think high rises have a spot here. But that's just me.
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Jersey City needs a trolley to run along Montgomery Street from Westside Ave to Exchange Place . BOOM , pulls the west to the east . A fully renovated Casino In The Park like McLoones Boat House in West Orange . Fix the fountain and make Lincoln Park accessible to downtown folks . Enlarge the lake in Lincoln Park so people can row around on it , like Central Park. A united JC is a better JC.
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Christine, I love your passion for your area. I don?t negate anything you?ve stated, however the PATH train is a massive draw for young urban professionals. It?s one train ride as opposed to a bus, jitney or Light Rail-PATH combo.
The other reality is that there are federal subsidies for developers to build within half-mile radiuses of mass transit hubs like Journal Square and the various Light Rail stops. This is why you?ll get the large Newport-style development at Journal Square before you?ll get them in the Heights. Similar to you, I?m not right outside of a PATH stop. It is going to take a little longer for areas, such as mine, to upgrade and show its promise. I truly believe that there is growth, and you?re already seeing some of it, which will occur. It was just take longer for the area to reach the level that, say, the Hamilton Park area or Van Vorst Park area is at. Journal Square has the development. They?ll get the people and the restaurants will follow. After that, I?m certain you?ll see a spill-over effect into the Heights.
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I was born here...so, I don't make ridiculous assertions...I try to present a chronicle that shows trends that have taken place over the years.
The PATH isn't the NY subway. It has changed plenty in terms of the level of passengers and it will get more crowded because there aren't alternative subway lines. I lived in the heights and worked in the city and stayed out late with friends and was never unable to get home, never mugged. As for the Hoboken projects, they are nowhere near the light rail elevator. There are condos directly across from it and additional ones are being built. That's verifiable. As for taking a cab home, savvy commuters offer the cabbie "double the meter + toll and tip" I don't usually do this because I don't like to point out negatives about other neighborhoods, but I will tell you that the heights has never and will never flood. As for Journal Square, that will work for people who don't want a neighborhood feel. And I don't know when you arrived here, but the actual streets where one would live around Journal Square have a higher crime rate than the heights EVER did or will. Do everyone a favor and comment on the areas you're knowledgeable about and don't spread misinformation. Quote:
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The "overcrowding" of PATH is a riduculous assertion. We live in the largest metro area in the US with about 23-24M people and one of the largest in the world. You don't move here to ride the train solo.
The PATH is no more crowded than the subway. Young people are the ones moving in and they want to be able to come back from the city late at night. If the only option is a bus stopping at 1 or a $100 cab than the suburbs become more realistic- and cheaper. And the western part of Hoboken where the elevator stops is right there the projects there. That's the truth, there is no real way to spin it and I know people that have been mugged there. OTOH JSQ has 24-7 transportation via two PATH lines, and a bus terminal, is just as cheap and doesn't require a detour through a not so great area.
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Well put. I loved my walk up Ogden. I think instinctively we like to reach for the security of rail-based 24/7 transit as buses are still in the process of shedding their "poor people transit" stigma.
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Alright, a mini conversation about the Heights; I've got to chime in! I have to say, I've been here verging on exactly a year and I have noticed the incremental changes in some businesses as well as people moving here. I know anecdotally people from Hoboken have been looking and have moved here as well as my New York colleagues who are intrigued by how little I paid for an actual house. I Don't think the Heights will explode like Downtown did nor potentially JSQ, but I think you find a steady stream of people like myself (former Hobokenite and Weehawkenite) coming here and eventually wanting better services.
And Lack of a train isn't that much of a deal changer. I know it's the New York model to surround train hubs with development but that's not necessarily true where I originally came from--Portland, OR which is a car/bus/bike culture. The increments I notice here are the same as I noticed in some Portland nabes. When I lived in Hoboken it was a trek to the Path that I ended up just taking the bus anyway. In fact, a lot of others did as well. Speaking of Hoboken, I'm not so sure where these "projects" are by the elevator. I'm not doubting it, it's just that Hoboken has become so developed, it's hard to spot such housing. I'm excited for JSQ. I like new development and changes overall, and it's good for the city. I like walking there during warmer days. I hope it doesn't become like Newport or Fort Lee which I find a rather strange mish mash of low rise juxtaposed against the high. So, in the end, I sort of view the Heights comparable to RedHook, Brooklyn where there's no train nearby, but it still enjoys the popularity surge that the rest of the borough has. Even if nothing great comes to the Heights I'm still happy with it. I find it extremely livable and safe.
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Lack of 24/7 transportation is a problem only if you require it.
I have to laugh at your assertion that where the light rail elevator leaves you in Hoboken is "the projects" because I'm pretty sure that the buildings across the street are not "projects." If we follow your logic, then a very large area of Hoboken should be considered "nowhere" because these areas are not near the light rail or the path. The heights is a large area and it would be implausible to expect that there would not be streets that haven't changed at all. I don't think that people realize that more large-scale development in Journal Square will only exacerbate the problem we're having with the PATH being overcrowded. While it's great to hit an elevator button and go down to the sidewalk and walk into the path station, it's not going to actually speed up the trip to NYC. There will just be hoards more people on the platform waiting for an already overcrowded train. I would rather not be in the center of an inefficient hub. In fact, if I'm going to want to take the ferry or bus into Manhattan to avoid using the path, I would not want to have to start my journey around Journal Square. But, hey, to each his own. And, let's remember this: that large-scale development going on in Harrison is only going to add to the overcrowding of the PATH before it ever hits Jersey City. Quote:
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There is a difference between hipsters and large scale development.
Harrison has a lot more large scale development than the Heights. The Heights is changing but certainly lack of 24/7 transportation is a problem. Also, where the elevator leaves you in Hoboken is basically the projects and far from most of the amenities, nevermind the PATH station. There also a lot of blocks that have not changed at all. There is a reason why developers are taking a lot more interest in JSQ than BL.
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There it goes again...most people giving their opinions and adding to the discussion...while others announce their opinions as if they are facts.
I guess that one just has to appreciate the opinions offered and ignore the guru-toned edicts.
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K, so - not hostile, just have a habit of calling bullshit when people make ridiculously optimistic claims about commutes. No one lives IN the elevator, right? It takes time to get from your home to the elevator. No one hangs out in Hoboken at the elevator door, either. Likely you are walking ten minutes or so - which means you are probably fifteen to twenty minutes, door to door, at least. I hope the Heights does well over time, but it's too isolated for me and the offerings, while improving, are still too one of each.
But the encampments are real. I'm a runner and several times as I've been running up Patterson Plank people have hopped over the wall and scared the wits out of me. If you look down from the sidewalk you can see tents and makeshift structures here and there. Probably moreso just north of the 14th street viaduct but they are in the southern stretch, too. Quote:
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The areas of the Heights that will see a rise in value are the blocks that are close to Journal Square and the area with easy access to Hoboken. The rest of the Heights will remain in a coma.
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That one's easy - I bought a condo (6 years ago) and would lose money trying to sell to move. I'm the first to admit a mistake, but as my elders used to say, I've made my bed... As far as development, tommy_37 hit the nail on the head - by development I do mean multi-family residential development, even if the scale is not on par with JSQ or even Harrison, and a critical mass of amenities to go with it. If others feel new 2-family houses with garages count, clearly we'll never agree. Quote: ...as Christine pointed out, much is happening around you. Open your eyes. My eyes are always wide open! The new guy in my building looks like a hipster (haven't met his g.f.), but they were asking about parking and I can't get used to the idea of Hipsters with cars. Mod Cup, Distillery Gallery, Trolley Car Bar, Do you Tea? on Summit are all certainly nice additions. Does it give the area that "urban vibe"? Obviously others think so, and will probably be happy in Heights.
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Christine and JCpaddy,
I think you guys are getting a bit sensitive. I definitely never claimed that the Heights has not changed. Sure - it has, a little, and will continue to do so I'm sure. My comments in this thread were directly in response to Wishful Thinking, who lamented that no large scale developments are occurring in the Heights, when compared with places like JSQ. I would agree with that, and still maintain my point of view/prediction that it is a long ways off that The Heights sees that kind of large scale development. It may never. For a variety of reasons, lack of 24-hr subway being one of those reasons. In contrast, Harrison, while I agree is nothing to write home about, has that lifeline of 24-hour transit. It will get development on a large scale, even if it's because of the simple reason that there is land to be taken. I really like the Heights. I have no beef with the Heights whatsoever. But gentrification and/or rapid development, specifically on a large scale, is not in the immediate stars for the Heights. I sense that many residents of the Heights (Wishful Thinking excluded) are just fine with that, actually.
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La_Verdad: why are you so hostile about this. This is the part I don't understand. Why does it bother you that the elevator takes a person down to Hoboken in a minute?? So much so that you have to make things up about hillside encampments?!
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Really? 1 Minute? By "east side of the Heights" do you mean that homeless encampment on the side of the hill?
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To JCPaddy: thank you for elaborating on the point I was trying to make. Everything you wrote is true and verifiable via a simple walk around the neighborhood.
I have no idea why people pass this kind of misinformation without ascertaining what they are saying. It is just ridiculous.
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Well done Christine and spot on.
tommyc_37 ?Couple of decades away from that I think. I would bet that Harrison, NJ attracts development before the Heights. People like that 24-hour subway. The southern portion of the Heights, walkable to Journal Square station, will see some action in the next decade I?d think? Are you serious? Decades away? How long have you been living in this city? It?s roll in?s like you who post on this board without any clue as to what you are writing. Developments? We have so many new homes being built up here it too numerous to count. We do not need and never have had large scale buildings. It?s always been more residential and that?s how it will stay. That?s how we like it. Harrison NJ..what? You can?t possibly be serious. I?m a 27 year resident of the Heights and it is the most underrated, under appreciated part of the city. It?s not bad now, never has been bad and is now in the process of a major change with new business and urbanites moving in. Safe as safe can be in Jersey City. Did it ever occur to you (and others who continue to harp on this), that not being close to a transportation hub has absolutely no bearing to some people? There are other things called...wait for it...BUSES! I?ve lived here a long time because of it?s location to Hoboken and New York. Unparalleled and affordable. Why others have not moved up here sooner baffles me, but I?m glad it?s happening now. By living on the east side of the Heights I am: 1 minute to Hoboken (where most of my social life resides) 4 minutes to the Holland tunnel. 9 minute drive to downtown Manhattan. I can ride my bike down the hill to the path train or walk 15 minutes from the 100 steps off Ogden. Hurricanes, blizzards and floods. Everybody stuck. I walk home. When I come out of the Path train after a good night of drinking in Gotham, I am 5 minutes from home with a $5 Uber ride. Brilliant! Good luck getting to Harrison NJ....jeez..get a clue. How about real estate? Want an affordable house with a parking spot and a yard? Yep, this is the place. Wishful Thinking - Unequivocally, the biggest Heights basher on JC List. I?m baffled as to why you still live here if you hate it so. Nothing may be happening from the Mayors office, but as Christine pointed out, much is happening around you. Open your eyes. My biggest pet peave? The absolute filth of our streets (another thread for another day) which I have taken up with the mayor via numerous emails and the continued graffiti assault which the police have no answer or even care. We are an unassuming part of the city that gives the Mayor no problems. And I agree that I hope he doesn?t forget about us completely. I still love it here and the best days are still ahead.
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I find this hilarious. I don't know where people come up with this notion that the heights hasn't changed. It has changed and is changing daily. The east side of the heights near the parks is filling up with hipsters AND young families. We have a gluten-free cafe, new coffee shops, bars that have new owners and new clientele, art galleries.
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Couple of decades away from that I think. I would bet that Harrison, NJ attracts development before the Heights. People like that 24-hour subway. The southern portion of the Heights, walkable to Journal Square station, will see some action in the next decade I'd think.
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And... nothing is happening in the Heights.
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In the nearby McGinley Square neighborhood, a 21-story tower has been approved to house over 400 units residential units, in addition to student housing and retail space. The project will be spearheaded by St. Peters University, who will also construct a new student center nearby within the next year. While it?s logical that the growth in these neighborhoods would coexist with transportation, education, and culture, all of this didn?t happen by accident. In 2013, Mayor Steve Fulop endeavored to facilitate inland revitalization in precisely this fashion. By shifting tax abatements and incentives from the already-booming waterfront to potential-filled neighborhoods like Journal Square, the administration has helped to set the stage for a Jersey City renaissance that is no longer isolated to one end of the city. Of course, this doesn?t mean that the already-rejuvenated neighborhoods like Newport, Hamilton Park, and Paulus Hook have been neglected. Nearly 5,000 total residential units are currently under construction throughout Jersey City, the majority of which are centered around the downtown, without the help of tax abatements. This, in fact, may be Jersey City?s greatest accomplishment: Fostering redevelopment inland without losing momentum in its coveted waterfront area. posted it Clearly no longer in the shadow of downtown Manhattan, Jersey City?s exciting evolution into a bona-fide destination has been a far-reaching effort that transcends building development. It?s clear, however, that the city has catalyzed the creation of vibrant environments that have attracted a myriad of visitors, residents, and businesses alike.
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The secret's out: Jersey City is on the rise. In fact it has been for well over a decade. All throughout the city's burgeoning Downtown and Paulus Hook neighborhoods, cranes pepper the skyline, constructing and improving a variety of new office, retail, and residential spaces. This momentum, along with its built-in geographic advantage (located adjacent to the country's largest business hub), means that the city is well on its way to fulfilling Mayor Fulop's stated goal of becoming the best midsized city in the United States.
Today, more and more evidence is mounting that all of this growth isn?t confined just to one side of the proverbial ?tracks.? While it?s true that the neighborhoods surrounding the Newport, Grove Street and Exchange place PATH have undergone major revitalizations over the past two decades, the city?s waterfront region only tells part of the Jersey City story. First consider the Journal Square neighborhood, a diverse and historical residential area flanking a PATH station just one stop west of the city?s Downtown. Within walking distance of the train, KABR Real Estate Investment Partners and Kushner Companies acquired a 1.5 acre development site slated to provide 1,500 residential units; development was approved for 111-unit apartment building at 87 Newkirk St.; construction began on the three-towered residential project called Journal Squared; Hartz and PGM obtained approvals for a residential building on the northern portion of Journal Square; and 56 units have opened nearby at Kennedy Lofts ? all within the last six months. Congruently, the city is investing in the arts at Journal Square through an initiative with the historic Loews Theater.  [url=http://www.njbiz.com/article/20150221/INDINSIGHTS/150229978/Jersey-City:-Moving-beyond-the-'Gold-Coast']More[/url]
Posted on: 2015/2/21 19:23
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