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Yes, I am concerned because my investment could be an even better one. Somewhere a WF employee is scouting locations and visited our "acclaimed" restaurant row and told his superiors back in the WF office that DTJC is full of dollar/discount stores and stores which advertise how cheap their products are - Sleep CHEAP, PayLESS, etc.

I am torn over whether I prefer an ISIS recruitment center versus a dollar store since both are detrimental to their neighborhoods...

Agreed. We need to clean up Grove Street and Newark Ave. Not that I have a problem with the "cheap" stores, I feel like it's time for a change to accommodate the new and diverse demographics.

Moreover, I am baffled that these stores still exist, given the rents in the neighborhood have skyrocketed. There's a national discount store at 162 Newark (or 161 Newark Ave) that looks like a head shop but sells the most random stuff. Stores like that need to go. It brings down the entire neighborhood. Especially when the crack addicts hang out in front of it in abandoned shopping carts. In any case, I would rather not have an Old Navy or a J Crew but much rather see more local businesses like Tia's or Morelees or Word succeed.

This "We need to clean this up" attitude drives me nuts. Who's "we"?? Those store owners are running a business. Presumably, they pay their rent or own their building. Who are "we" to tell them they can't do it? Here's an idea: If "we" are so offended by a dollar store, "we" should pony up the money to buy them out. Then "we" can open an artisanal pizza place, TV-filled bar or high-end dog groomer. God knows "we" need more of those.

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Yes, I am concerned because my investment could be an even better one. Somewhere a WF employee is scouting locations and visited our "acclaimed" restaurant row and told his superiors back in the WF office that DTJC is full of dollar/discount stores and stores which advertise how cheap their products are - Sleep CHEAP, PayLESS, etc.

I am torn over whether I prefer an ISIS recruitment center versus a dollar store since both are detrimental to their neighborhoods...

Agreed. We need to clean up Grove Street and Newark Ave. Not that I have a problem with the "cheap" stores, I feel like it's time for a change to accommodate the new and diverse demographics.

Moreover, I am baffled that these stores still exist, given the rents in the neighborhood have skyrocketed. There's a national discount store at 162 Newark (or 161 Newark Ave) that looks like a head shop but sells the most random stuff. Stores like that need to go. It brings down the entire neighborhood. Especially when the crack addicts hang out in front of it in abandoned shopping carts. In any case, I would rather not have an Old Navy or a J Crew but much rather see more local businesses like Tia's or Morelees or Word succeed.

JCishome wrote:
And yet, restaurants and stores keep opening. I guess they don't notice the dollar stores. Or, they really really like Altoids.

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FWIW - Satis, Turtle Club, Barcade, Two Boots, Porta, Word - all successful businesses, decided to open up additional locations on that block with the 3-4 dollar stores on it.

Second, I kinda love that I can go get lucky bamboo, Chinese slippers, cheap notebooks and wrapping paper all in one place on my block without having to get into my car and schlep to the mall.

If I wanted to go to the mall, I'd move to Millburn/Short Hills with the rest of the Joneses. So, yeah, having CH Martin and Super Discount within walking distance of my home did make a difference in my decision to buy my home here instead of the 'burbs.

I'm sure that these places will eventually get pushed out and I will have to find somewhere else to get my Chinese slippers, but I sure as hell hope it something more along the lines of E. Tittlemouse or Pig & Pepper than freakin' Old Navy.

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There is now a 99 cent/Odd Lots type store at 12th Street and 6th Avenue, GV (the real GV) in what was a supermarket. Didn't notice anyone wearing a hardhat in fear of falling real estate prices. BTW, the 99cent store next to Barcade is worth checking out for Altoids and Lindt Chocolate.

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There is now a 99 cent/Odd Lots type store at 12th Street and 6th Avenue, GV (the real GV) in what was a supermarket. Didn't notice anyone wearing a hardhat in fear of falling real estate prices. BTW, the 99cent store next to Barcade is worth checking out for Altoids and Lindt Chocolate.

Yes, I am concerned because my investment could be an even better one. Somewhere a WF employee is scouting locations and visited our "acclaimed" restaurant row and told his superiors back in the WF office that DTJC is full of dollar/discount stores and stores which advertise how cheap their products are - Sleep CHEAP, PayLESS, etc.

I am torn over whether I prefer an ISIS recruitment center versus a dollar store since both are detrimental to their neighborhoods...

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I don't get all the dollar store hatred.

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I don't get all the dollar store hatred. It's a store, not an ISIS recruitment center. Don't shop there if you don't want to. I just hate when people trash a reputable, locally-owned business by saying "their kind" isn't welcome here anymore.

As for property values, if you own in DTJC, are you really concerned? It's clearly a good investment, so relax.

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You do realize that there are plenty of people in JC like that already.

I'm 28, male, straight, single, a lawyer, my parents live in NJ, love football. Don't shop at any of those stores though and never did. Those are for HS kids anyway. No one wears Abercrombie anymore. And I really hate hipsters and everything they stand for. But they are not "offbeat" whatsoever, basically, they are everything they hate. The bros are true to themselves. They legit like most of things you mention. The hipsters like what the other hipsters tell them too. Skinny jeans are not comfortable nor are they flattering. PBR sucks. Brooklyn is so commercial and UES is now considered more "offbeat".

I basically respect every counter culture, foreign culture (been all over the world), LGBT culture, you name it except hispters...I wish all the hipsters DT would leave downtown and head to Newark already before they ruin that or whatever the next generation of "offbeat" is.

And it would be thrilling to have a "bro" place, maybe it starts to scare them off and it sure is hell better than a dollar store.

I was right there with you until you brought up the Dollar Store. It's fine to have places where young guys can get drunk and scream at TVs (not my thing, never was, but go for it). That doesn't mean you need to crowd out every business that caters to a lower-income clientele that just wants to buy a cheap sweatshirt for their kid. And hipsters are fine too.It's a big town, there's room for everybody.

Wrong, low income is old navy. Dollar stores bring down neighborhood property values and make it less likely for other businesses to come to the area. A prospective restaurant/business will choose to be located next to a "bro" establishment 100% of the time than a dollar store that sells lead toothpaste.

I would go further in saying that if you shop at a dollar store, you hate Jersey City.

The fact that you'd be happy to see an Old Navy open up in DTJC means that we have nothing to talk to each other about. But no worries, I'm sure there will be a Johnnie Rockets there, too.

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You do realize that there are plenty of people in JC like that already.

I'm 28, male, straight, single, a lawyer, my parents live in NJ, love football. Don't shop at any of those stores though and never did. Those are for HS kids anyway. No one wears Abercrombie anymore. And I really hate hipsters and everything they stand for. But they are not "offbeat" whatsoever, basically, they are everything they hate. The bros are true to themselves. They legit like most of things you mention. The hipsters like what the other hipsters tell them too. Skinny jeans are not comfortable nor are they flattering. PBR sucks. Brooklyn is so commercial and UES is now considered more "offbeat".

I basically respect every counter culture, foreign culture (been all over the world), LGBT culture, you name it except hispters...I wish all the hipsters DT would leave downtown and head to Newark already before they ruin that or whatever the next generation of "offbeat" is.

And it would be thrilling to have a "bro" place, maybe it starts to scare them off and it sure is hell better than a dollar store.

I was right there with you until you brought up the Dollar Store. It's fine to have places where young guys can get drunk and scream at TVs (not my thing, never was, but go for it). That doesn't mean you need to crowd out every business that caters to a lower-income clientele that just wants to buy a cheap sweatshirt for their kid. And hipsters are fine too.It's a big town, there's room for everybody.

Wrong, low income is old navy. Dollar stores bring down neighborhood property values and make it less likely for other businesses to come to the area. A prospective restaurant/business will choose to be located next to a "bro" establishment 100% of the time than a dollar store that sells lead toothpaste.

I would go further in saying that if you shop at a dollar store, you hate Jersey City.

The fact that you'd be happy to see an Old Navy open up in DTJC means that we have nothing to talk to each other about. But no worries, I'm sure there will be a Johnnie Rockets there, too.

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RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
You do realize that there are plenty of people in JC like that already.

I'm 28, male, straight, single, a lawyer, my parents live in NJ, love football. Don't shop at any of those stores though and never did. Those are for HS kids anyway. No one wears Abercrombie anymore. And I really hate hipsters and everything they stand for. But they are not "offbeat" whatsoever, basically, they are everything they hate. The bros are true to themselves. They legit like most of things you mention. The hipsters like what the other hipsters tell them too. Skinny jeans are not comfortable nor are they flattering. PBR sucks. Brooklyn is so commercial and UES is now considered more "offbeat".

I basically respect every counter culture, foreign culture (been all over the world), LGBT culture, you name it except hispters...I wish all the hipsters DT would leave downtown and head to Newark already before they ruin that or whatever the next generation of "offbeat" is.

And it would be thrilling to have a "bro" place, maybe it starts to scare them off and it sure is hell better than a dollar store.

I was right there with you until you brought up the Dollar Store. It's fine to have places where young guys can get drunk and scream at TVs (not my thing, never was, but go for it). That doesn't mean you need to crowd out every business that caters to a lower-income clientele that just wants to buy a cheap sweatshirt for their kid. And hipsters are fine too.It's a big town, there's room for everybody.

Wrong, low income is old navy. Dollar stores bring down neighborhood property values and make it less likely for other businesses to come to the area. A prospective restaurant/business will choose to be located next to a "bro" establishment 100% of the time than a dollar store that sells lead toothpaste.

I would go further in saying that if you shop at a dollar store, you hate Jersey City.

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All of that being said, and despite what many on this board say, there are many things that Hoboken does right. Washington St. is a pleasing, safe, and active main avenue. Newark Ave., which can still be desolate and off-putting at times, would be well-served to model itself on its northern counterpart.

Completely agree. Clearly, there are douchey elements to Washington St. (particularly on a Friday or Saturday night), but it is a large, active drag of diverse businesses, most of which are pretty nice.

I'd also add that Hoboken's waterfront, with its ample trees, greenspace, performance space and parks, puts Jersey City's bland Exchange Place/ Newport disaster to shame.

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You do realize that there are plenty of people in JC like that already.

I'm 28, male, straight, single, a lawyer, my parents live in NJ, love football. Don't shop at any of those stores though and never did. Those are for HS kids anyway. No one wears Abercrombie anymore. And I really hate hipsters and everything they stand for. But they are not "offbeat" whatsoever, basically, they are everything they hate. The bros are true to themselves. They legit like most of things you mention. The hipsters like what the other hipsters tell them too. Skinny jeans are not comfortable nor are they flattering. PBR sucks. Brooklyn is so commercial and UES is now considered more "offbeat".

I basically respect every counter culture, foreign culture (been all over the world), LGBT culture, you name it except hispters...I wish all the hipsters DT would leave downtown and head to Newark already before they ruin that or whatever the next generation of "offbeat" is.

And it would be thrilling to have a "bro" place, maybe it starts to scare them off and it sure is hell better than a dollar store.

I was right there with you until you brought up the Dollar Store. It's fine to have places where young guys can get drunk and scream at TVs (not my thing, never was, but go for it). That doesn't mean you need to crowd out every business that caters to a lower-income clientele that just wants to buy a cheap sweatshirt for their kid. And hipsters are fine too.It's a big town, there's room for everybody.

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"Bro-factor" / "bro-ey" describes that sub group of young men who are recent college grads, often former fraternity men, generally make a decent living, frequently have parents living within an hour's drive, enjoy hanging out in wolf packs, mostly prefer one another's company, and tend to have little by way of intellectual interest in offbeat culture, lifestyles or people who don't look like them. They are frequently white and male, but others have been known to embrace the lifestyle. Frequent shoppers at Abercrombie, hollister, and other so-called mainstream brands. Often into professional or college sports. Known for liking loud parties, sports bars, and women who like these sorts of establishments.

In a word, Hoboken, around the path station bar row. If guido went to college, he'd likely return as a bro.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
You do realize that there are plenty of people in JC like that already.

I'm 28, male, straight, single, a lawyer, my parents live in NJ, love football. Don't shop at any of those stores though and never did. Those are for HS kids anyway. No one wears Abercrombie anymore. And I really hate hipsters and everything they stand for. But they are not "offbeat" whatsoever, basically, they are everything they hate. The bros are true to themselves. They legit like most of things you mention. The hipsters like what the other hipsters tell them too. Skinny jeans are not comfortable nor are they flattering. PBR sucks. Brooklyn is so commercial and UES is now considered more "offbeat".

I basically respect every counter culture, foreign culture (been all over the world), LGBT culture, you name it except hispters...I wish all the hipsters DT would leave downtown and head to Newark already before they ruin that or whatever the next generation of "offbeat" is.

And it would be thrilling to have a "bro" place, maybe it starts to scare them off and it sure is hell better than a dollar store.

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The new place "Coffee Shop" or "Whiskey Bar" opening at Grove Plaza is a little scary with all those TVs - definitely could attract a bro-factor.

Anyone been to Coffee Shop? I walked by yesterday and I noticed they're open.

what is bro factor a euphemism for? AA Men? Men who were in a fraternity that didn't rush you? ???

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tommyc_37 wrote:
The new place "Coffee Shop" or "Whiskey Bar" opening at Grove Plaza is a little scary with all those TVs - definitely could attract a bro-factor.

Anyone been to Coffee Shop? I walked by yesterday and I noticed they're open.

tommyc_37 wrote:
The new place "Coffee Shop" or "Whiskey Bar" opening at Grove Plaza is a little scary with all those TVs - definitely could attract a bro-factor.