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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cr ... eb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
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From the 'eyewitness' in the story you linked, Brown was talking about having Jesus Christ on the wall in his house, then minutes later he was robbing a store and violently assaulting a clerk? Was Brown bi-polar? We know he had drugs in his system as well from the autopsies that were performed-all three of them.

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So your theory is that he was bipolar? It's ok to execute the mentally ill?

Here's my interpretation. Most devout Christians have a picture of Jesus Christ in their home - virtually every Catholic does. Reading the interchange between Brown and the worker I took it to mean:

1. The worker hit a tree root and cursed - something like "Jesus f**king Christ".
2. Brown stopped to admonish the worker. The bad vibes Brown was getting, was from the worker breaking commandment number 3 - taking the Lord's name in vain.
3. Brown was telling the worker that Jesus would help the worker through those bad vibes so long as the worker didn't get angry while working.
4. ?That the Lord Jesus Christ would help me through that as long as I didn?t get all angry at what I was doing.? - the worker was talking about himself - and not directly quoting Brown.

Brown was likely professing his faith as a good Christian, and not bipolar. As I said...learn to read, comprehend, and separate your vile speculation from "fact".

AlexC wrote:
Let's settle this shit once and for all. This is the root of the problem: Institutionalized Racism...

Monroe wrote:
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cr ... eb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html
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From the 'eyewitness' in the story you linked, Brown was talking about having Jesus Christ on the wall in his house, then minutes later he was robbing a store and violently assaulting a clerk? Was Brown bi-polar? We know he had drugs in his system as well from the autopsies that were performed-all three of them.

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AlexC wrote:
Let's settle this shit once and for all. This is the root of the problem: Institutionalized Racism. History of Ferguson Police Dept - At least 5 Ferguson officers apart from Brown shooter have been named in lawsuits

Federal investigators are focused on one Ferguson, Mo., police officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager, but at least five other police officers and one former officer in the town?s 53-member department have been named in civil rights lawsuits alleging the use of excessive force.

In four federal lawsuits, including one that is on appeal, and more than a half-dozen investigations over the past decade, colleagues of Darren Wilson?s have separately contested a variety of allegations, including killing a mentally ill man with a Taser, pistol-whipping a child, choking and hog-tying a child and beating a man who was later charged with destroying city property because his blood spilled on officers? clothes.

One officer has faced three internal affairs probes and two lawsuits over claims he violated civil rights and used excessive force while working at a previous police department in the mid-2000s. That department demoted him after finding credible evidence to support one of the complaints, and he subsequently was hired by the Ferguson force.

Police officials from outside Ferguson and plaintiffs? lawyers say the nature of such cases suggests there is a systemic problem within the Ferguson police force. Department of Justice officials said they are considering a broader probe into whether there is a pattern of using excessive force that routinely violates people?s civil rights.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/politic ... b-997ae96fad33_story.html

Monroe wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
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and it's true Johnson is a liar (Brown was not shot in the back as he claimed) I'd save your toothless invective for another time.

The facts will set you free.

Learn to read, comprehend, and separate your vile speculation from "fact".

Have another read:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cr ... eb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

The other witnesses lying as well? Why not admit you're not omniscient? You're not judge, jury and executioner in this case. Let the feds and the grand jury do their job without your scumbaggery and hate-mongering.

From the 'eyewitness' in the story you linked, Brown was talking about having Jesus Christ on the wall in his house, then minutes later he was robbing a store and violently assaulting a clerk? Was Brown bi-polar? We know he had drugs in his system as well from the autopsies that were performed-all three of them.

And again, Johnson was found to be a liar, as he stated Brown was shot in the back, which is untrue.

So let the facts be the facts, and the 'eyewitnesses' be fully vetted for their veracity which will be tested when the ballistics tell the truth about how far Brown was from the officer when he was shot, etc.

dtjcview wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
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and it's true Johnson is a liar (Brown was not shot in the back as he claimed) I'd save your toothless invective for another time.

The facts will set you free.

Learn to read, comprehend, and separate your vile speculation from "fact".

Have another read:

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cr ... eb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

The other witnesses lying as well? Why not admit you're not omniscient? You're not judge, jury and executioner in this case. Let the feds and the grand jury do their job without your scumbaggery and hate-mongering.

Monroe wrote:
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and it's true Johnson is a liar (Brown was not shot in the back as he claimed) I'd save your toothless invective for another time.

The facts will set you free.

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Monroe wrote:
JCMan8, don't you see a pattern? Can't support your argument, get embarrassed by someone with an opposing view who can-so just call someone vile names in response.
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..."opposing view"..."vile names". Just giving you a taste of your own medicine in your VILIFICATION of absolutely EVERYONE supporting a fair hearing and justice for Michael Brown. Let me see if I got this right:

- Michael Brown - a thug who deserved what he got.
- Johnson and Mitchell - liars who can't be trusted
- Sharpton and Crump - "race baiters" that are in it from themselves and to form a lynch mob for Officer Wilson.
- Protesters/rioters - opportunists simply out to loot local businesses.
- Blacks - a "defective culture".

Have I got that right?

Embarrassed? No . I'm totally DISGUSTED by your ignorance and hate.

On the subject of evidence, how about this...

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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cr ... eb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

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About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.

The worker said Brown stumbled and then stopped, put his hands up, turned around and said, ?OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.? He said he told investigators from the St. Louis County police and the FBI that because of the stumble, it seemed to him that Brown had been wounded.

A private autopsy showed that all but one of his gunshot wounds came while Brown was facing Wilson. Shawn L. Parcells, who participated in the autopsy, said one of the wounds to the arm could have occurred when Brown was facing away from Wilson. ?It?s inconclusive,? he said. St. Louis County and federal autopsy results have not been released.

Wilson, gun drawn, also stopped about 10 feet in front of Brown, the worker said.

Then Brown moved, the worker said. ?He?s kind of walking back toward the cop.? He said Brown?s hands were still up.

Wilson began backing up as he fired, the worker said.

After the third shot, Brown?s hands started going down, and he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and firing. The worker said he could not tell from where he watched ? about 50 feet away ? if Brown?s motion toward Wilson after the shots was ?a stumble to the ground? or ?OK, I?m going to get you, you?re already shooting me.?

Among people who have spoken to the media, there hasn?t been a clear consensus on what happened after Brown turned around.

Dorian Johnson ? a friend of Brown?s who said he was walking with him when Wilson approached them on Canfield and told them to get off the street ? told CNN that Brown was ?beginning to tell the officer he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting.? Johnson, 22, told KTVI Brown was starting to get down when he was shot.

Johnson also told MSNBC that Wilson began shooting before Brown ?could get his last words out.?

Another witness who lives nearby, Michael T. Brady, 32, told CNN that Brown turned with his hands under his stomach. He also said Brown took one or two steps toward Wilson as he was going down when Wilson fired three or four more times.

Piaget Crenshaw, who lives in the Canfield apartments, and Tiffany Mitchell, her boss, were in different places in the complex. Crenshaw told CNN that Brown didn?t move toward Wilson. In several statements to reporters, neither has mentioned Brown moving toward Wilson.

The New York Times quoted James McKnight as saying Brown stumbled toward Wilson, who was 6 to 7 feet away.

Phillip Walker, 40, another Canfield Green resident, told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday that Brown was walking at a steady pace toward Wilson, with his hands up. ?Not quickly,? Walker said. ?He did not rush the officer.? Walker, who is distantly related to a Post-Dispatch reporter not involved in this report, said the last shot, into the top of Brown?s head, was from about 4 feet away.

?It wasn?t justified because he didn?t pose no threat to the officer. I don?t understand why he didn?t Tase him if he deemed him to be hostile. He didn?t have no weapon on him. I was confused on why he was shooting his rounds off like that into this individual,? Walker said.

The co-worker in the KTVI interview said he ?starting hearing pops and when I look over ? I seen somebody staggering and running. And when he finally caught himself he threw his hands up and started screaming, ?OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.??

He said the officer ?didn?t say, ?Get on the ground.? He didn?t say anything. At first his gun was down and then he ? got about 8 to 10 feet away from him ? I heard six, seven shots ? it seemed like seven. Then he put his gun down. That?s when Michael stumbled forward. I?d say about 25 feet or so and then fell right on his face.?

No witness has ever publicly claimed that Brown charged at Wilson. The worker interviewed by the Post-Dispatch disputed claims by Wilson?s defenders that Brown was running full speed at the officer.

?I don?t know if he was going after him or if he was falling down to die,? he said. ?It wasn?t a bull rush.?
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That sound familiar. Like something I posted earlier???

You guys need to get a room. Form a club. You can play whack-a-mole, jerk-in-harmony - any card game involving clubs-only. And perhaps diamonds. No hearts. No spades. I've run out of adjectives for your vile, evil, scumbaggery.

Monroe wrote:
JCMan8, don't you see a pattern? Can't support your argument, get embarrassed by someone with an opposing view who can-so just call someone vile names in response.
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http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/cr ... eb-92fe-87fcee622c29.html

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About a half-hour later, the worker heard a gunshot. Then he saw Brown running away from a police car. Wilson trailed about 10 to 15 feet behind, gun in hand. About 90 feet away from the car, the worker said, Wilson fired another shot at Brown, whose back was turned.

The worker said Brown stumbled and then stopped, put his hands up, turned around and said, ?OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.? He said he told investigators from the St. Louis County police and the FBI that because of the stumble, it seemed to him that Brown had been wounded.

A private autopsy showed that all but one of his gunshot wounds came while Brown was facing Wilson. Shawn L. Parcells, who participated in the autopsy, said one of the wounds to the arm could have occurred when Brown was facing away from Wilson. ?It?s inconclusive,? he said. St. Louis County and federal autopsy results have not been released.

Wilson, gun drawn, also stopped about 10 feet in front of Brown, the worker said.

Then Brown moved, the worker said. ?He?s kind of walking back toward the cop.? He said Brown?s hands were still up.

Wilson began backing up as he fired, the worker said.

After the third shot, Brown?s hands started going down, and he moved about 25 feet toward Wilson, who kept backing away and firing. The worker said he could not tell from where he watched ? about 50 feet away ? if Brown?s motion toward Wilson after the shots was ?a stumble to the ground? or ?OK, I?m going to get you, you?re already shooting me.?

Among people who have spoken to the media, there hasn?t been a clear consensus on what happened after Brown turned around.

Dorian Johnson ? a friend of Brown?s who said he was walking with him when Wilson approached them on Canfield and told them to get off the street ? told CNN that Brown was ?beginning to tell the officer he was unarmed and to tell him to stop shooting.? Johnson, 22, told KTVI Brown was starting to get down when he was shot.

Johnson also told MSNBC that Wilson began shooting before Brown ?could get his last words out.?

Another witness who lives nearby, Michael T. Brady, 32, told CNN that Brown turned with his hands under his stomach. He also said Brown took one or two steps toward Wilson as he was going down when Wilson fired three or four more times.

Piaget Crenshaw, who lives in the Canfield apartments, and Tiffany Mitchell, her boss, were in different places in the complex. Crenshaw told CNN that Brown didn?t move toward Wilson. In several statements to reporters, neither has mentioned Brown moving toward Wilson.

The New York Times quoted James McKnight as saying Brown stumbled toward Wilson, who was 6 to 7 feet away.

Phillip Walker, 40, another Canfield Green resident, told the Post-Dispatch on Tuesday that Brown was walking at a steady pace toward Wilson, with his hands up. ?Not quickly,? Walker said. ?He did not rush the officer.? Walker, who is distantly related to a Post-Dispatch reporter not involved in this report, said the last shot, into the top of Brown?s head, was from about 4 feet away.

?It wasn?t justified because he didn?t pose no threat to the officer. I don?t understand why he didn?t Tase him if he deemed him to be hostile. He didn?t have no weapon on him. I was confused on why he was shooting his rounds off like that into this individual,? Walker said.

The co-worker in the KTVI interview said he ?starting hearing pops and when I look over ? I seen somebody staggering and running. And when he finally caught himself he threw his hands up and started screaming, ?OK, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.??

He said the officer ?didn?t say, ?Get on the ground.? He didn?t say anything. At first his gun was down and then he ? got about 8 to 10 feet away from him ? I heard six, seven shots ? it seemed like seven. Then he put his gun down. That?s when Michael stumbled forward. I?d say about 25 feet or so and then fell right on his face.?

No witness has ever publicly claimed that Brown charged at Wilson. The worker interviewed by the Post-Dispatch disputed claims by Wilson?s defenders that Brown was running full speed at the officer.

?I don?t know if he was going after him or if he was falling down to die,? he said. ?It wasn?t a bull rush.?
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I'm advocating a fair process, not one that drives an outcome with the need for a sacrificial lamb to satisfy the race baiters like Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and others.

You could call it the Monroe Doctrine, but the name has been used before.

So it's a fair process, so long as we accept from the outset that Officer Wilson is simply "sacrificial lamb"? No case for him to answer because "Monroe Justice" has already been served? Monroe has examined the facts of the case and found Wilson innocent of all charges? Sharpton should be gagged? That fair?

Sounds like you want to rip up the constitution, deny free speech and due process.

Sharpton should be ignored, because he's a hate mongering, race baiting bigot.

His relentless accusations claiming Tawana Brawley was raped by several white men, smeared with dog shit, and left in a garbage bag will forever be tied with his brand of racial bias.

At that's only one of his several high profile racist actions.

Monroe - you are quite simply offensive, racist and evil. Sharpton represents his constituency. You simply represent the evil racist prick that you are.

Monroe wrote:
JCMan8, don't you see a pattern? Can't support your argument, get embarrassed by someone with an opposing view who can-so just call someone vile names in response.

Or don't like the conversation, throw up a silly poster image you found on the Internet that you didn't make yourself.

The distraction may work for the intellectual lightweights though. I just consider the source and chuckle it off.

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If his size has no relevance then why do you constantly bring it up as one of your oft touted facts?

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I'm sure it would take you a long time, I imagine a lot of things take you a long time; tying your shoes, using the bathroom, reading a headline etc.

If his size has no relevance then why do you constantly bring it up as one of your oft touted facts?

Also, what happened to the shattered eye socket fact you harped on about in the first half of this thread?

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Funny that you should bring up intellectual lightweights when your main argument appears to be that the shooting was justified because Mike Brown was a big black man.

At no point have I said that, and several times I've said that if the shooting was unjustified that we should throw the book at Officer Wilson.

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f) Brown outweighed the officer by over a hundred pounds

Monroe wrote:
...And Sharpton's quote should read 'can we not protect a 6'4", 300 pound man walking down the street....

Monroe wrote:

The 300 pound, 6'4" man charged him...

Monroe wrote:
So the officer was likely to kill a 300lb, 6'4" man because his mother...

Monroe wrote:
...has an eyewitness saying the 6'4", 300lb man was charging the police...

Old-Skool-JC wrote:
Funny that you should bring up intellectual lightweights when your main argument appears to be that the shooting was justified because Mike Brown was a big black man.

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I'm advocating a fair process, not one that drives an outcome with the need for a sacrificial lamb to satisfy the race baiters like Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and others.

You could call it the Monroe Doctrine, but the name has been used before.

So it's a fair process, so long as we accept from the outset that Officer Wilson is simply "sacrificial lamb"? No-one else's life nor word matters - because they are all black thugs and liars. No case for Officer Wilson to answer because "Monroe Justice" has already been served? Brown is dead because he was a thug, his friends were all liars, and Monroe has already decided the killing was justified. Monroe has examined the facts of the case and found Wilson innocent of all charges? Monroe thinks Sharpton should be gagged because all he is doing is inciting an opportunistic mob from within a "defective culture"?

Do you have any conception of how deeply offensive and racist your narrative sounds? You want to rip up the constitution, deny free speech, due process and return to 19th century injustice?

I stand by my assertion that you and others on this thread are hatemongers. And I find it incredulous that you can't look into you hearts and see the pure evil inside your warped beliefs.

Are you aware that you are making up nearly everything in your post? Do you know what a scarecrow is? Because you are quite proficient at propping up lots of scarecrows and tearing them down.

So your scarecrows are more valid than mine because what? They're dressed differently? Any more insidious "raggety-man" analogies? Your brain simply wired that way?

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dtjcview wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
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I'm advocating a fair process, not one that drives an outcome with the need for a sacrificial lamb to satisfy the race baiters like Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and others.

You could call it the Monroe Doctrine, but the name has been used before.

So it's a fair process, so long as we accept from the outset that Officer Wilson is simply "sacrificial lamb"? No-one else's life nor word matters - because they are all black thugs and liars. No case for Officer Wilson to answer because "Monroe Justice" has already been served? Brown is dead because he was a thug, his friends were all liars, and Monroe has already decided the killing was justified. Monroe has examined the facts of the case and found Wilson innocent of all charges? Monroe thinks Sharpton should be gagged because all he is doing is inciting an opportunistic mob from within a "defective culture"?

Do you have any conception of how deeply offensive and racist your narrative sounds? You want to rip up the constitution, deny free speech, due process and return to 19th century injustice?

I stand by my assertion that you and others on this thread are hatemongers. And I find it incredulous that you can't look into you hearts and see the pure evil inside your warped beliefs.

Are you aware that you are making up nearly everything in your post? Do you know what a scarecrow is? Because you are quite proficient at propping up lots of scarecrows and tearing them down.

dtjcview wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
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I'm advocating a fair process, not one that drives an outcome with the need for a sacrificial lamb to satisfy the race baiters like Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and others.

You could call it the Monroe Doctrine, but the name has been used before.

So it's a fair process, so long as we accept from the outset that Officer Wilson is simply "sacrificial lamb"? No-one else's life nor word matters - because they are all black thugs and liars. No case for Officer Wilson to answer because "Monroe Justice" has already been served? Brown is dead because he was a thug, his friends were all liars, and Monroe has already decided the killing was justified. Monroe has examined the facts of the case and found Wilson innocent of all charges? Monroe thinks Sharpton should be gagged because all he is doing is inciting an opportunistic mob from within a "defective culture"?

Do you have any conception of how deeply offensive and racist your narrative sounds? You want to rip up the constitution, deny free speech, due process and return to 19th century injustice?

I stand by my assertion that you and others on this thread are hatemongers. And I find it incredulous that you can't look into you hearts and see the pure evil inside your warped beliefs.

Monroe wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
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I'm advocating a fair process, not one that drives an outcome with the need for a sacrificial lamb to satisfy the race baiters like Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and others.

You could call it the Monroe Doctrine, but the name has been used before.

So it's a fair process, so long as we accept from the outset that Officer Wilson is simply "sacrificial lamb"? No case for him to answer because "Monroe Justice" has already been served? Monroe has examined the facts of the case and found Wilson innocent of all charges? Sharpton should be gagged? That fair?

Sounds like you want to rip up the constitution, deny free speech and due process.

Sharpton should be ignored, because he's a hate mongering, race baiting bigot.

His relentless accusations claiming Tawana Brawley was raped by several white men, smeared with dog shit, and left in a garbage bag will forever be tied with his brand of racial bias.

At that's only one of his several high profile racist actions.

dtjcview wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
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I'm advocating a fair process, not one that drives an outcome with the need for a sacrificial lamb to satisfy the race baiters like Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and others.

You could call it the Monroe Doctrine, but the name has been used before.

So it's a fair process, so long as we accept from the outset that Officer Wilson is simply "sacrificial lamb"? No case for him to answer because "Monroe Justice" has already been served? Monroe has examined the facts of the case and found Wilson innocent of all charges? Sharpton should be gagged? That fair?

Sounds like you want to rip up the constitution, deny free speech and due process.