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Anybody know why there was a helicopter in one of the baseball fields at pershing last night?
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Just last week!
Tour helicopter makes emergency landing after bird strike PIX11 NEWS OCTOBER 3, 2014 MANHATTAN (PIX11) ? A bird struck a tour helicopter over the Hudson River Friday afternoon, forcing the chopper to make an emergency landing at a heliport but injuring none of the 7 people on board, including the pilot. Helicopter Flight Services confirms to PIX11 News that the helicopter was forced to land at 2:45 p.m. after a bird went through the windshield as the craft flew over the Hudson River at North Hudson Park. The chopper made an emergency landing at the West 30th Street heliport.
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Dealing with the FAA as a resident or even a politician is as bad as dealing with the Port Authority. Yes you are right they govern the air. That said when towns start taking control of their airports, as is happening in East Hampton, the FAA no longer has their grant assurances and local areas can decide whether to allow things like tourist/commercial helicopters or commercial flights.
There is a reason no town with heavy helicopter volume wants them around. Helicopters lower quality of life, depress property values, pollute the air/water, and cause a host of health/stress issues as has repeatedly been demonstrated in studies. The FAA knows all this, but don't care as their ulterior motive is to promote the aviation business. NIMBYism can be annoying but in this case it is totally justified. I would love anyone to show me an area that has been improved by being in the takeoff/landing space of a major airport.
Posted on: 2014/10/10 13:30
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I'm glad the FAA is a federal agency somewhat immune to NIMBYism. As for your last sentence, you are totally wrong. There are no other avenues for regulating the skies, or the industry. You will never shut down the Hudson River GA corridor, nor should you be able to. The only people with the power to pass laws and regulations related to air traffic are the FAA. All these other resolutions by local, county and state governments are pure and simple theatrics for show and to appease constituents. If they were serious about getting changes implemented, they would (and, should) send a delegation to FAA HQ and raise the issue with the regional and national admins.
Posted on: 2014/10/10 11:23
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The ERHC is completely untrustworthy. There is major pressure to ban helicopters flying to the East Hampton and other East End airports. There are way too many flights, no regulation, pilots who fly too low, poor safety record etc.
If any other industry generated the noise that helicopters do they would be shut down in a month. For some reason the FAA completely ignores the voice of constituents over which the annoying helicopters fly. It seems that finally there are other avenues to force regulation on the industry...
Posted on: 2014/10/9 19:39
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Resolution urging tourist helicopter ban approved by state Senate panel
By Steve Strunsky | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com October 09, 2014 at 2:14 PM JERSEY CITY ? A resolution by New Jersey lawmakers calling on federal aviation officials to ban tourist helicopter flights over the New Jersey side of the Hudson River was approved by the Senate Transportation Committee this morning. The resolution, already approved by the full Assembly, stems from complaints by residents along the Hudson River that noise from tourist flights has increased dramatically over the past two years. Critics of the flights also say they pose a safety threat, citing crashes including one that killed six people in a tour helicopter and three others in a small plane in 2009, when they collided in mid-air just off the Hoboken waterfront. The resolution, sponsored by committee chairman Sen. Nicholas Sacco (D-Hudson), says 700 tourist helicopter flights per day, "fly over the Hudson River into New Jersey each day to capture the views of the New York City skyline," many of them the result of a ban by New York City officials on flights over parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn. U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and other federal and state lawmakers have called for an outright ban by the Federal Aviation Administration, after an agreement brokered by the FAA with tour operators last year failed to satisfy residents' concerns. The agreement, which involved the Eastern Regional Helicopter Council, an industry group, limited the hours of operation and the number of flights by the one tour operator flying out of the Paulus Hook Heliport at the base of the Goldman Sachs tower on the Jersey City waterfront. But critics say the overwhelming majority of the flights were from a heliport along the East River in Manhattan. In opposing a ban, the helicopter council has argued that the flights generate $33 million a year in economic activity in the region, while noting that the operators, while staging tours in Manhattan, are actually based in New Jersey. The FAA did not immediately respond to a request for comment. In May, a Hudson County residents' group, Stop NYC Tourist Helicopters, posted a YouTube video of what it said was a near-collision in the skies above West New York. The helicopter council dismissed the assertion, insisting the choppers in the video were at different altitudes, hundreds of feet apart. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014 ... y_state_senate_panel.html
Posted on: 2014/10/9 18:31
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The FAA is funded by the Federal Gov't and senators and congressmen do have a say in their budget. The FAA can't have it both ways by allowing a creation of a Heliport in Kearny knowing that helos have to fly low over urban areas due to Newark commercial traffic. How do you think we ended up with all NYC tourist helicopters over Hudson river since 2011? NYC officials and Senator Schumer banned all tourist flights over Brooklyn, Manhattan, Central Park and East River in 2010. They located all tour companies to Downtown Manhattan Heliport and created 2 routes(short&long) both over Hudson River, the South bound hugging the NJ coast and sometimes over land. They did not even ask NJ for permission. Kearny was created as a storage and maintenance facility for mostly tour Helicopters. Next time you see them over Target, Holland Tunnel, Journal Sq or Heights lift up your head and look for their colors. Either red or navy blue as in this link. http://www.libertyhelicopter.com/about-sp-2001052626.html Yvonne, Most of those are Tour Helos but there are some private and corporates helos as well that travel to Kearny over JC.
Posted on: 2014/8/10 3:40
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Menendez talked about banning tourist helicopters but the helicopters in Kearney are not tourist helicopters. Basically, they are for corporate clients. Kearney Mayor Santos said it would impact the Hudson County Correctional Facility. But that statement is incorrect. It impacts JC from Lincoln Park, Route 139 buzzing across many building in JC including the county facility.
Posted on: 2014/8/10 3:35
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Goldman stopped pretty much all flights from Paulus Hook Helipad since past Xmas. Locals around really appreciate it and thank them for the closure. Everyone is happy except for some tourists who complain on Tripadvisor that they can't take a night flight at the expense of our quality of life until 11PM 7 days a week. Fulop should have voted against the creation of Kearny Heliport and the route that helicopters take from Kearny to Hudson River over Jersey City at low altitude. Hopefully his change of attitude about the subject will help bring peace to Jersey City residents.
Posted on: 2014/8/10 3:19
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Posture away! http://youtu.be/Jhj56spZrSw
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It is flying low over people's homes. They fly constantly, Kearny receives the money but Jersey City receives the noise. Even David Donnelly thought this was a bad idea. But it is obvious, you don't care if JC is dumped on. Re-read the article again, it says, " to fly at 300 feet or less.." They are flying at 200 feet right above people's homes in JC. They are flying low due to airplanes.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 18:01
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Thank you! You just proved my point. The helicopters from Kearny are authorized by the FAA to operate at 300 feet or less. Since ONLY the FAA has authority over the sky above us, any resolution, law or statement by politicians contrary to the FAA's determination and approvals is just posturing for the masses. I am with Fulop on this one. There's really nothing to be done, and nothing to worry about. Your fear mongering is just that.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 17:46
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Here is the article on helicopter flight, the article states the helicopters will fly 300 feet or less. The only person who felt this was not a concern was Councilman Fulop.
http://www.hudsonreporter.com/view/fu ... -?instance=search_results
Posted on: 2014/8/9 16:32
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Apparently, not so obvious, as some people seem to love to be able to claim otherwise. Hang around a General Aviation airport long enough and you will then get somewhat proficient at estimating altitude of aircrafts and cloud ceiling levels. Quote:
I know it has already been established that you love to opine on ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, often without understanding the topic at hand, or by simply making up facts. If you think this is how aviation works, well, you have shown yourself to be absolutely ignorant on the topic. Quote:
Do you EVER read the information posted here for you? Why do you love to hold on to mistaken assumptions, even when proven otherwise?? Helicopters do not have to adhere to the same height restrictions as other aircraft. They can go lower, so long as they comply with whatever other helicopter routes or restrictions are in place.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 14:06
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Any Mon-Sat evening around 6-7PM go sit at Exxon station on Kennedy Blvd by Rt 139 intersection. You can compare the altitudes of these helicopters to buildings near by to gauge their altitude. St John's Condos are 17 story around 200 feet and Senior housing is about that height. These guys fly just over their rooftops.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 4:59
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More scare tactics by ERHC.
That 33Million number was 50M few months ago. The study that they keep raving about considers each hotel night booked by the tourist as a revenue generated by the helicopter tourism industry. Really? These tourists come to NYC just to get on these helicopters? Maybe less than .1% come for work/film related to helicopters but 99.9% come here for vacation. If a tourist stayed for 5 nights in a hotel the entire revenue is benefited to heli industry. You don't have to be a statistics Math major to know that as Bill Clinton would said "their arithmetic is flawed". Following is from ex-president of ERHC and current consultant to ERHC Mr. Grotell from Sept 2013.( He is also the brains behind creation of Downtown Manhattan Heliport and initially managing it. He also runs a website called "flying neighborly" and takes complaints of helicopter noise from local citizens. A huge conflict of interest there. ) "Hoboken/Jersey City area noise concerns are one of ERHC's top priorities and while we will never support any flight restrictions, curfews or bans, we are educating our members of the issues at hand and developing additional voluntary noise abatement procedures to reduce area noise levels." Nothing has been done in terms of limiting the number of flights or hours. He does not respond to us at all and following is on record. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014 ... d_not_show_near-miss.html "Grotell said he could not respond to a request for comment Monday by The Star-Ledger due to a family illness. He said he did not respond to Wagner's email because the helicopter council has a policy to not respond to Wagner's group."
Posted on: 2014/8/9 4:53
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Helicopter group: Ban would cost region millions in tourism dollars
By Amanda Eisenberg | The Jersey Journal August 08, 2014 at 4:56 PM The Eastern Region Helicopter Council issued a statement on the economic consequences of the proposed ban. A helicopter group said today that a ban on tourist helicopter rides over the Hudson River would cost the region millions in tourism dollars. The statement was in response to the press conference earlier today at which U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez and politicians from both sides of the Hudson stood together to call for a ban on the helicopter rides. Jeff Smith, vice president of the Eastern Region Helicopter Council, said a recent New York University study found that "the helicopter tourism industry generates more than $33 million in economic activity each year and, as all tour operators are based in New Jersey, supports hundreds of local New York and New Jersey jobs." "The changes being proposed would significantly alter the federally regulated National Airspace system and harm the local New Jersey economy," Smith said. Bayonne Mayor Jimmy Davis took a strong stance at the press conference earlier today. "We need to put the needs of Hudson County residents before the needs of a few politically connected helicopter operators," he said. The ERHC, however, claims helicopter owners "remain committed to working collaboratively with local officials to find reasonable solutions that don't strip New York and New Jersey of hundreds of jobs, millions of dollars in revenue and vital emergency response services." The council is a non-profit organization that was started by local helicopter pilots in 1979 and prioritizes safety, according to its website. The leading news story on its site is a report that helicopter noise is at an all-time high. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ter_ban.html#incart_river
Posted on: 2014/8/9 4:00
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It's obvious you can't accurately gauge a height of 2 to 3 hundred feet. But you know somethings off kilt just by looking at it. In this case the height minimums and maximums are shaded by the changing topography the choppers fly over. In a minute they can be over water, over your house or vacant tracts of land. The true gauge would be to have the FAA overseers track the choppers for a week with their machines. If done properly I submit almost every chopper would be far lower than they are supposed to be.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 21:11
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I seriously doubt your eyeballs can accurately measure what 200 or 300 feet above you would look like. In any case, here are the federal rules that govern aircraft operations as far as altitude is concerned: FAR 91.119.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 19:53
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Almost all of Neveda incorporated companies exist only on paper or have their brick & mortar facilities in another state. The reality is tourism is the big economic engine for NY & NJ. Fulops' rebranding takes this into account & so he remains silent on the helicopters. If you peruse the airspace over the Hudson from Liberty Park North to the GWB you will see dozens of choppers flying. The majority are tourist choppers because you can see that they fly around the Statue and Ellis & return either to the East River or midtown. The noise they generate is irritating for sure so perhaps the answer is new generation mufflers which will decrease the noise. Failing that they will continue and increase in the months ahead..
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Most of you are correct that our Mayor does not think he can get a win in this issue and does not want to directly stick his neck out on a losing battle or end up on the losing side. It is all tactical for his future.
To be fair he did send someone from his office to this meeting today so that it does not give the impression that he is the only mayor without representation. He is just not going out of his way for it like the Mayors of Hoboken, Weehawken and Guttenberg to show up in person. The low flying helicopters over Jersey City that cut across Newport Green playground, Target, continue over Rt 139 to Skyway and terrorize all people who live under this path needs to be banned. They fly 200-300 feet above ground flying from Kearny heliport to Hudson river and then Downtown Manhattan Heliport. Most of them are red and dark blue color tourist helicopters with a white strike across them which are owned by Liberty Helicopter. Liberty Helicopter is 60% owned by Saker Aviation which operates DT Manhattan heliport leased from NYC and it is a Nevada incorporated company.
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Considering that the Mayor recently dismissed the concerns of Jersey City residents opposed to the construction of a casino and auto racing track by publically referring to us as ?Debbie Downers,? do you think he cares how anyone feels about helicopter noise? Moreover, do think he wants to be perceived as being unfriendly to a profitable tourism business? Like most politicians with greater aspirations, the Mayor doesn?t appear to be confused about who he can afford to disappoint.
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In 2010 Fulop did not vote against the Kearny Heliport. This has nothing to do with the heliport at the JC waterfront which carries corporate clients for the most part not tourists. The tourist helicopters which operate out of Manhattan pre-date the Kearny issue. Every year opponents of the tourist helicopters come out and hold a press conference opposing the flights but nothing, quite frankly, is ever accomplished. It may be Fulop thinks it's a waste of time to join the dated chorus. The real issue for Jersey City residents are the low flying corporate helicopters from Kearny that buzz over us at low altitudes, lower than the tourist flights over the river. The FAA does not want the Kearny helicopters to enter the flight path of aircraft coming in and out of Newark on our west side. Watch the planes descending when they often brush our rooftops going into Newark on the East-West runway especially when the wind is blowing east.
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To be fair to Fulop, the proposal today would stop tourist helicopters from buzzing the JC area, not commercial flights like those that would be used ferrying people to the heliport at Paulus Hook for Goldman.
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Fulop worked for Goldman in the past - it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to conclude that many of the clients of these helicopter rides are likely former (or current?) business associates or colleagues.
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In 2010 when Fulop was a Councilman he was the lone abstention on a Council resolution opposing the Kearny Heliport which today sees dozens of flights flying quite low over Jersey City on a daily basis. At that time Fulop said he believes all necessary precautions were taken to ensure safe helicopter travel over Jersey City. He further stated he was also "skeptical" about some of the opposition to the heliport which he thought was generated by the operators of Linden Airport which was a competitor for helicopter flights.
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Interesting that all of the nearby mayors and politicians will be there except Fulop. Wonder why?
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U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez to call for ban on Hudson River tourist helicopters tomorrow in Hoboken
By Michaelangelo Conte | The Jersey Journal August 07, 2014 at 8:48 PM U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez will be joined by a bi-state coalition to call for a ban on Hudson River tourist helicopters at a Hoboken press conference tomorrow morning at 11. The senator and other officials will decry the proliferation of helicopter traffic over the Hudson River and call for an outright ban of tourist choppers threatening the quality of life and public safety of residents living along the waterfront, a spokesman for Menendez said. Also participating will be Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer, Weehawken Mayor Richard Turner, Bayonne Mayor Jimmy Davis, North Bergen Mayor and State Senator Nicholas Sacco, West New York Mayor Felix Roque and Guttenberg Mayor Gerald Dracheff. Other officials to participate are Hudson County Executive Thomas DeGise, Hudson County Sheriff Frank Schillari and a representative of Rep. Jerrold Nadler (NY-10), as well as residents and helicopter safety advocates. The press conference will be at Pier A Park, located at Sinatra Drive and First Street. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... hoboken.html#incart_river
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Dang, that second link has a paragraph that details something I've been amazed at: Donnelly in July sent a letter to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) criticizing the agency?s approval of the heliport?s operation, which included allowing helicopters to fly at 300 feet or less because of the heliport?s proximity to Newark Airport. He said the helicopters are also allowed to fly in a ?holding pattern? over Jersey City while waiting for air traffic for Newark Airport to clear. Donnelly got a response from the FAA who ?determined the heliport can operate safely.? He referred to the letter as a ?big brushoff.? I live in the CancoLofts and these choppers often fly by at lower altitudes than our roof, which is only ~110 feet from the ground. I've driven on the Pulaski and had one buzz overhead at what I swear was less than 30-40 feet above the roadway. I'm sure these guys get a thrill out of it, but talk about a nuisance... By the way, I also work in Brooklyn Heights - and the endless helicopter noise - an omnipresent drone, by the Promenade (from the Downtown Heliport) is an amazing annoyance. So yeah, it is a problem on both sides of Manhattan.
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Helicopters near-miss alarms opponents of NY tour flights over Hudson County
Steve Strunsky/The Star-Ledger on May 12, 2014 WEST NEW YORK ? A citizens group seeking to reduce Manhattan tour helicopter flights that veer over New Jersey posted a video online today showing what the groups says was a near-hit involving at least two choppers above West New York. The video, captured and posted on YouTube by members of Stop NYC Tourist Helicopters, begins with two helicopters flying on the upper and lower left of the screen toward the center, when a third chopper enters the field of vision from the right, heading toward the other two. The craft on the upper left appears to be at a higher altitude than the others, and early on it arcs well away from the craft approaching from the right. The helicopter coming from the lower left, however, appears to continue directly into the path of the chopper on the right, which then makes a dramatic 180-degree turn, apparently to avoid the other craft, before all three fly out of the picture to the right. "To date, there have been zero remediation strategies implemented that those below the flight paths on the ground can see." It is difficult to tell just how close the helicopters actually came to one another, though the anti-tour group referred to it as, "a scary near miss." Brian Wagner of Hoboken, who heads the anti-tour group, said the video was shot at 10:40 a.m. today, by a member of the group in a playground in West New York. An agreement brokered by the Federal Aviation Administration and following intervention by officials, including U.S. Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and U.S. Rep. Albio Sires (D-8th Dist.), flights originating from the Jersey City waterfront have ceased. But residents' noise and safety concerns have not, since most tour flights originate from Manhattan's East Side. In addition to posting the video, Wanger sent an angry email today to the Eastern Regional Helicopter Council, an association of the tour operators. "For over a year now our coalition group along with New Jersey elected officials, and recently with NYC and NY State officials, have been complaining and in open discussion with the industry and the FAA about the current state of air tour helicopter industry operations running out of NYC's Downtown Manhattan Heliport (DMH) and the commuter/charter activity to/from West 30th Street heliport," Wagner wrote to the helicopter council's spokesman, Robert Grotell. "To date, there have been zero remediation strategies implemented that those below the flight paths on the ground can see." Grotell did not respond to a request for comment regarding the video or Wagner's overall concerns about noise an safety. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014 ... _hudson_tour_flights.html
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