Owlie wrote: Between a landlord and a tenant, is the issue of money, first and foremost and constantly. Neither side, as a general rule is capable of dealing fairly with the other. You may ask why: the answer is because they are human.

jcguy05 wrote:
well this thread went off topic..rather quickly.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
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owlie wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
I empathize with your issue, however the JCFD are only acting on a compliant - If something was to occur on your property, the JCFD could be liable for not acting and not doing a through inspection when called upon.

Your direct 'beef' is with the highly vexatious tenants. Maybe you can turn the tables and check every aspect of their legal obligation discreetly such as; undeclared income, tags / insurance on their vehicle, safety aspects of their vehicle, parking of vehicle in time restricted areas without detection, driving after a night out etc etc.

Another thing that might give your tenant the sihts is the installation of CCTV cameras in common / public areas of your property - fake one's will also do the trick

A concerned citizen can make a report to Police or any other authority they suspect someone has breached.

This might help also:

http://www.nj.gov/dca/divisions/codes ... ds_for_evicti_bulltin.pdf

My god fat-ass! You seem to have way too much time on your hands. The idea of doing all the things you have suggested to get back at the tenant is simply exhausting to me. I have to work and have no time to plot against anyone. My family escaped from a country where such activities were encouraged and accepted. It was a Police State. Are you also from a place like that?

Obviously you haven't had a tenant (nor have I, but I've heard of some horror stories from both sides of the fence) that appears to be a vexatious complainant - In the world of civility, I would have thought a tenant could sit with the landlord over a cup of coffee and talk over any problems they felt needed addressing, and not to seek intervention from the authorities. Brewster cops a fine and a repair bill (if so deemed).

I see nothing wrong with scrutinizing a person who has scrutinized me. I've come across many 'finger pointers' and I also have found that many 'finger pointers' don't like anyone pointing the finger at them!

As an example, I used to be the safety coordinator on many building sites and workers would complain (justifiably or not)
about the most smallest of detail, yet arrive at work, hung-over, drugged, drive pick-ups that had bald tires, busted seat-belts, were poorly maintained and often with insecure load of tools in them, not to mention the Friday night booze-up and still drive home!

I'd like to take brewster's word as the true oversight of the situation he is in and I am very aware that there are two sides to every story.

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heights wrote:
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blanquiita wrote:
This rule also extends to "owner-occupied" roommate situations. I rented out an extra bedroom to someone I wound up having problems with (luckily nothing too terrible). I had to have "just cause" to get rid of him. Luckily he had to leave the country.

I always thought I'd rent my apt out some day. Nope. I have a friend who's a lawyer and does a lot of tenant-landlord cases. The stories she's told me makes me never want to be a landlord in NJ ever.

I hope you reported the taxes with the roomate renter. Anyway I think those paying taxes on 2-family houses should be required to rent out the vacant apartment.

That's new one for me, thinking someone should be forced to rent out an apartment simply because it's part of their house.

If the basement apartment is empty, they can pretty much do what they want with it, and they should be able to (just don't set up a meth lab or anything). Lack of affordable housing in Jersey City or anywhere else is not that homeowner's problem.

Case in point, I once owned a house (upstate NY, not here) with an apartment attached to it. The tenant's lease had already ended by the time the house sold and the tenant had left on their own accord (they were a student who graduated). The people that purchased my house was a divorcee with two children and her brother. Her brother chose to live in the apartment. Whether he paid her rent, I don't know, none of my business anyway, and she was under no obligation whatsoever to advertise the place for rent. If there was somebody still in there at the time she bought, that's another story, but there wasn't.

Having heard all these horror stories in Jersey City, I don't think I ever want to be a landlord again. It was enough work by itself, even though not one of my tenants ever gave me any trouble.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
I empathize with your issue, however the JCFD are only acting on a compliant - If something was to occur on your property, the JCFD could be liable for not acting and not doing a through inspection when called upon.

Your direct 'beef' is with the highly vexatious tenants. Maybe you can turn the tables and check every aspect of their legal obligation discreetly such as; undeclared income, tags / insurance on their vehicle, safety aspects of their vehicle, parking of vehicle in time restricted areas without detection, driving after a night out etc etc.

Another thing that might give your tenant the sihts is the installation of CCTV cameras in common / public areas of your property - fake one's will also do the trick

A concerned citizen can make a report to Police or any other authority they suspect someone has breached.

This might help also:

http://www.nj.gov/dca/divisions/codes ... ds_for_evicti_bulltin.pdf

My god fat-ass! You seem to have way too much time on your hands. The idea of doing all the things you have suggested to get back at the tenant is simply exhausting to me. I have to work and have no time to plot against anyone. My family escaped from a country where such activities were encouraged and accepted. It was a Police State. Are you also from a place like that?

fat-ass-bike wrote:
I empathize with your issue, however the JCFD are only acting on a compliant - If something was to occur on your property, the JCFD could be liable for not acting and not doing a through inspection when called upon.

Your direct 'beef' is with the highly vexatious tenants. Maybe you can turn the tables and check every aspect of their legal obligation discreetly such as; undeclared income, tags / insurance on their vehicle, safety aspects of their vehicle, parking of vehicle in time restricted areas without detection, driving after a night out etc etc.

Another thing that might give your tenant the sihts is the installation of CCTV cameras in common / public areas of your property - fake one's will also do the trick

A concerned citizen can make a report to Police or any other authority they suspect someone has breached.

This might help also:

http://www.nj.gov/dca/divisions/codes ... ds_for_evicti_bulltin.pdf

fat-ass-bike wrote:
I empathize with your issue, however the JCFD are only acting on a compliant - If something was to occur on your property, the JCFD could be liable for not acting and not doing a through inspection when called upon.

heights wrote:
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blanquiita wrote:
This rule also extends to "owner-occupied" roommate situations. I rented out an extra bedroom to someone I wound up having problems with (luckily nothing too terrible). I had to have "just cause" to get rid of him. Luckily he had to leave the country.

I always thought I'd rent my apt out some day. Nope. I have a friend who's a lawyer and does a lot of tenant-landlord cases. The stories she's told me makes me never want to be a landlord in NJ ever.

I hope you reported the taxes with the roomate renter. Anyway I think those paying taxes on 2-family houses should be required to rent out the vacant apartment.

heights wrote:
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I hope you reported the taxes with the roomate renter. \

blanquiita wrote:
This rule also extends to "owner-occupied" roommate situations. I rented out an extra bedroom to someone I wound up having problems with (luckily nothing too terrible). I had to have "just cause" to get rid of him. Luckily he had to leave the country.

I always thought I'd rent my apt out some day. Nope. I have a friend who's a lawyer and does a lot of tenant-landlord cases. The stories she's told me makes me never want to be a landlord in NJ ever.

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brewster wrote:
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MDM wrote:
I have fire extinguishers in the apartments or common areas of the hallways. I replace them every five years and check the pressure gauges on them every now and again.

The State of NJ checks the smoke detectors when DCA inspects every 5 years. Maybe you should give the DCA a call?

Sounds to me like you have a sociopath on your hands... they don't care about truth or consequences of their actions.

The tenants are one thing, they're losers who make life intolerable for the other tenants, but inherited loser tenants are part of the real estate game. However JCFD giving me this crap for no apparent reason smells real bad. I cannot believe they give these bullshit citations as a matter of course every time they walk into a building.

MDM, there doesn't appear to be a real estate/landlording group in JC, wanna start one? I read a RE blog/forum, but most of the folks are in places you can buy a single family for $20k and actually choose not to renew a lease. Our problems are quite different.

You are getting too emotional, it's just a business, you always have problematic customers.

I would find out who the local boss is for that jcfd, send him directly a certified letter along with a phone call.
Clearly list out the citations and a concise reason why it's bullsht for each citation. For the one that you think is reasonable state you will have it fixed. Also mention the relationship between the person and your tenant's boyfriend.

Let the boss deal with it, even if the boss sides with his guy, it will still create some resistance so he wont bother you again.

Then once lease is over, kick them the **** out.

blanquiita wrote:
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HeightsBrat wrote:
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MDM wrote:
NOTE!
Before you end or break a lease, you must understand a basic rule about
landlord-tenant law in New Jersey. Because of the Anti-Eviction Act, you cannot be
evicted simply because your lease ends. As explained in Chapter 9,
The Causes for
Eviction,
on page 56, a tenant can only be evicted if the landlord can prove one of the
good causes for eviction under the law. The ending or expiration of a lease is not a
good cause for eviction. This means that, however long your lease, you do not have
to move just because your lease has ended. It also means that, unless you or the land-
lord end your lease, all yearly leases and month-to-month leases automatically renew
themselves. The only exception to this rule is if you live in a building with only two
or three apartments and the landlord lives in one of the apartments.

http://www.lsnjlaw.org/Publications/P ... Manuals/TenantsRights.pdf

Don't believe for one minute that if the building is a 2 or 3 unit owner occupied building that things are easier. I have 2 units, I live in one. And even though I had more rights than say an owner with over 4 units, Jersey no matter how you slice it still does everything possible to protect the tenant. I had a tenant that decided he wasn't going to pay rent after Sandy. I went through all the steps of notifying him that his lease would not be renewed & that the premises were to be vacated, yada, yada, yada. Well this motherf-er went out & hired the biggest scumbag lawyer in the city because as he told me "I will leave when I want to & you cannot do anything about it. I had to get a lawyer. I got stiffed for 6 months rent & $3k in damages. The little bastard still sends bills that he doesn't want to pay to my address even though he moved out almost a year & a half ago (no forwarding address to me or post office). I managed to run down his mother's address & now she gets all the hospital bills for his "operations".

This rule also extends to "owner-occupied" roommate situations. I rented out an extra bedroom to someone I wound up having problems with (luckily nothing too terrible). I had to have "just cause" to get rid of him. Luckily he had to leave the country.

I always thought I'd rent my apt out some day. Nope. I have a friend who's a lawyer and does a lot of tenant-landlord cases. The stories she's told me makes me never want to be a landlord in NJ ever.

HeightsBrat wrote:
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MDM wrote:
NOTE!
Before you end or break a lease, you must understand a basic rule about
landlord-tenant law in New Jersey. Because of the Anti-Eviction Act, you cannot be
evicted simply because your lease ends. As explained in Chapter 9,
The Causes for
Eviction,
on page 56, a tenant can only be evicted if the landlord can prove one of the
good causes for eviction under the law. The ending or expiration of a lease is not a
good cause for eviction. This means that, however long your lease, you do not have
to move just because your lease has ended. It also means that, unless you or the land-
lord end your lease, all yearly leases and month-to-month leases automatically renew
themselves. The only exception to this rule is if you live in a building with only two
or three apartments and the landlord lives in one of the apartments.

http://www.lsnjlaw.org/Publications/P ... Manuals/TenantsRights.pdf

Don't believe for one minute that if the building is a 2 or 3 unit owner occupied building that things are easier. I have 2 units, I live in one. And even though I had more rights than say an owner with over 4 units, Jersey no matter how you slice it still does everything possible to protect the tenant. I had a tenant that decided he wasn't going to pay rent after Sandy. I went through all the steps of notifying him that his lease would not be renewed & that the premises were to be vacated, yada, yada, yada. Well this motherf-er went out & hired the biggest scumbag lawyer in the city because as he told me "I will leave when I want to & you cannot do anything about it. I had to get a lawyer. I got stiffed for 6 months rent & $3k in damages. The little bastard still sends bills that he doesn't want to pay to my address even though he moved out almost a year & a half ago (no forwarding address to me or post office). I managed to run down his mother's address & now she gets all the hospital bills for his "operations".

MDM wrote:
NOTE!
Before you end or break a lease, you must understand a basic rule about
landlord-tenant law in New Jersey. Because of the Anti-Eviction Act, you cannot be
evicted simply because your lease ends. As explained in Chapter 9,
The Causes for
Eviction,
on page 56, a tenant can only be evicted if the landlord can prove one of the
good causes for eviction under the law. The ending or expiration of a lease is not a
good cause for eviction. This means that, however long your lease, you do not have
to move just because your lease has ended. It also means that, unless you or the land-
lord end your lease, all yearly leases and month-to-month leases automatically renew
themselves. The only exception to this rule is if you live in a building with only two
or three apartments and the landlord lives in one of the apartments.

http://www.lsnjlaw.org/Publications/P ... Manuals/TenantsRights.pdf

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MDM wrote:
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1stStGuy wrote:

I ask this not to be sarcastic, but because I actually don't know the answer: What prevents you from not renewing the lease? Isn't there a way that you can choose not to have them stay?

You can't force a non-commercial tenant out of an apartment when the lease is up. You can raise the rent, etc. (assuming it is not rent controlled), but you can't force them to leave.

what do you mean? i thought as long as you send them a certified letter 60 days in advance letting them know you wont be renewing the contract they will have to leave, same as if they choose not to renew the lease, they need to send you the same 30 days in advance.

What you mean you cant force them out after the lease is expired? it's not rent controlled..

MDM wrote:
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1stStGuy wrote:

I ask this not to be sarcastic, but because I actually don't know the answer: What prevents you from not renewing the lease? Isn't there a way that you can choose not to have them stay?

You can't force a non-commercial tenant out of an apartment when the lease is up. You can raise the rent, etc. (assuming it is not rent controlled), but you can't force them to leave.

brewster wrote:
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MDM wrote:
I have fire extinguishers in the apartments or common areas of the hallways. I replace them every five years and check the pressure gauges on them every now and again.

The State of NJ checks the smoke detectors when DCA inspects every 5 years. Maybe you should give the DCA a call?

Sounds to me like you have a sociopath on your hands... they don't care about truth or consequences of their actions.

The tenants are one thing, they're losers who make life intolerable for the other tenants, but inherited loser tenants are part of the real estate game. However JCFD giving me this crap for no apparent reason smells real bad. I cannot believe they give these bullshit citations as a matter of course every time they walk into a building.

MDM, there doesn't appear to be a real estate/landlording group in JC, wanna start one? I read a RE blog/forum, but most of the folks are in places you can buy a single family for $20k and actually choose not to renew a lease. Our problems are quite different.

brewster wrote:




MDM, there doesn't appear to be a real estate/landlording group in JC, wanna start one? I read a RE blog/forum, but most of the folks are in places you can buy a single family for $20k and actually choose not to renew a lease. Our problems are quite different.

brewster wrote:


I've owned multifamilies here for 17 years and have never seen anything like this:

Violation #02 SUBMIT TEST REPORT FOR CARBON MONOXIDE DETECTOR ALARM DEVICES

Not the CO detector was not working, they say I'm in violation for not submitting an annual report to them! And there were 5 other BS "violations" just like that about ALL the safety equipment, which was ALL in perfect working order. This smells like harassment to me.