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RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Yes why would we want what Hoboken has?

Who needs outsiders flooding the town to spend money?

Would much prefer the outsiders we currently have that cross from Newark to commit violent crimes. The risk of carjacking is insignificant. What we really need to avoid is people who might be loud and make noise. Get off my lawn!!!!

The lack of nightlife mainly comes from two things: the "stroller" crowd (who are trying to do the same in Hoboken) and the old timers who are afraid of becoming Hoboken- more because of the cost of the rent, not the noise.

Also Hoboken has a lots of quiet spots. It also has a main street with more bars than dollar and discount stores too.

When JC gets lumped in with Newark instead of Hoboken and NYC, some of our residents only have their own instrasigence to blame. The faster these people move to the suburbs and rail on shopping centers and affordable housing, the better it is for JC.

Here is an idea, why don't you move to Hoboken? You seem to love that place. DTJC is becoming just as sterile as that place.... completely beige.

tommyc_37 wrote:
I'll also chime in on walkability and overall pedestrian friendliness. Let's get one thing straight - in the grand scheme of things (nationally) Downtown Jersey City is extremely pedestrian friendly. Extremely.

But compared to some of our similar neighbors, like Hoboken and brownstone Brooklyn, Jersey City is challenged in some ways. There are some hideous stretches, right in the heart of our downtown, that make pedestrian activity VERY difficult. This, in my opinion is unacceptable. Notorious streets that receive an F for pedestrian friendliness? Marin Blvd - the entire thing. Columbus Drive - the entire thing, at least west of Warren Street. Grand Street west of Marin. Washington, between Grand and 2nd Street or so.

Also unacceptable - that developers are continuing to build structures that encourage the use of cars, and enable people to be reliant on cars. Not only does it do aesthetic damage to all of our eyes by putting massive parking structures that start on ground level, instead of retail spaces, therefore isolating the sidewalks and sucking all vibrancy from them ... but it does the greater damage of pandering to people who prefer to get in their car from the parking garage, and zip off into the sunset, versus attracting residents who don't have a car, don't necessarily want a car, and would prefer to be walking around their neighborhood interacting with people and being customers at local businesses.

THAT is how a city is supposed to be structured.

The Atlantic just published an article on Brussels, and how its mayor is a proponent of banning all vehicles in the city's core. That is forward thinking. Jersey City can do better than it has done.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
Yes why would we want what Hoboken has?

Who needs outsiders flooding the town to spend money?

Would much prefer the outsiders we currently have that cross from Newark to commit violent crimes. The risk of carjacking is insignificant. What we really need to avoid is people who might be loud and make noise. Get off my lawn!!!!

The lack of nightlife mainly comes from two things: the "stroller" crowd (who are trying to do the same in Hoboken) and the old timers who are afraid of becoming Hoboken- more because of the cost of the rent, not the noise.

Also Hoboken has a lots of quiet spots. It also has a main street with more bars than dollar and discount stores too.

When JC gets lumped in with Newark instead of Hoboken and NYC, some of our residents only have their own instrasigence to blame. The faster these people move to the suburbs and rail on shopping centers and affordable housing, the better it is for JC.

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user1111 wrote:
The waterfront in JC sucks it should have gone all the way around the city, it should not cut off... in BK and even Hoboken you can walk around the entire water front which we cannot. As far as clubs, I don't think a club here would be very interesting too many peeps here are on different pages.

I'm ok with something like QXT's or Latin Lounge. Can someone explain Jordan's to me? My friends tried to go inside there once, and were quickly turned away. They seem to be closed all of the time as well. Has anyone ever been in there?

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We have MORE than enough bars and restaurants and places to hang out. There seem to be an endless supply of people who want places built to their specs. Ain't happening. What do clubs bring? Crime and stupidity. Have you ever been in Hoboken on a weekend night around the PATH station? It's a joke. Jersey City doesn't "need" that. The last thing we need is a Welcome Mat for idiots. And if you think "well we just need a club that's fun but kind of chill and no troublemakers and blah, blah, blah.." then you are blowing smoke up your own ass.

I dunno, JC was the ghetto for a long time, and still is in most parts. Its seems like arts and culture attracts the right people, at least that's what I've seen in Brooklyn. I don't think JC will ever be like Hoboken, for one it is a lot bigger, and it is not a college town. Believe you me, I do not like the idea of anything Hoboken-like. But they don't really have much in the way of places to go if you are not getting shwasted. I have never been to a gallery there, and the only venue was Maxwells. Its known for its sports bars with huge TV's and drunk yuppies who pretend they live in NY and tell people they just "sleep" in NJ. Egh Hoboken.

user1111 wrote:
The waterfront in JC sucks it should have gone all the way around the city, it should not cut off... in BK and even Hoboken you can walk around the entire water front which we cannot. As far as clubs, I don't think a club here would be very interesting too many peeps here are on different pages.

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We have MORE than enough bars and restaurants and places to hang out. There seem to be an endless supply of people who want places built to their specs. Ain't happening. What do clubs bring? Crime and stupidity. Have you ever been in Hoboken on a weekend night around the PATH station? It's a joke. Jersey City doesn't "need" that. The last thing we need is a Welcome Mat for idiots. And if you think "well we just need a club that's fun but kind of chill and no troublemakers and blah, blah, blah.." then you are blowing smoke up your own ass.

I dunno, JC was the ghetto for a long time, and still is in most parts. Its seems like arts and culture attracts the right people, at least that's what I've seen in Brooklyn. I don't think JC will ever be like Hoboken, for one it is a lot bigger, and it is not a college town. Believe you me, I do not like the idea of anything Hoboken-like. But they don't really have much in the way of places to go if you are not getting shwasted. I have never been to a gallery there, and the only venue was Maxwells. Its known for its sports bars with huge TV's and drunk yuppies who pretend they live in NY and tell people they just "sleep" in NJ. Egh Hoboken.

We have MORE than enough bars and restaurants and places to hang out. There seem to be an endless supply of people who want places built to their specs. Ain't happening. What do clubs bring? Crime and stupidity. Have you ever been in Hoboken on a weekend night around the PATH station? It's a joke. Jersey City doesn't "need" that. The last thing we need is a Welcome Mat for idiots. And if you think "well we just need a club that's fun but kind of chill and no troublemakers and blah, blah, blah.." then you are blowing smoke up your own ass.

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The only thing he actually got 100% right is #6 but honestly it wouldn't hurt if the city allowed a few clubs here. It wouldn't turn in Hoboken if clubs were scattered around the city. Problem with Hoboken is most of the clubs are centered around one small location.

But yea he really only got #6 right.

What about Surf City and that Beer Hall? Why the #OOPS# would we want clubs? Doesn't anyone remember when they had that club under the TPK/1-9 Ramp? Just brought dangerous drivers and drunks making their way through quiet, residential streets. Jersey City has everything in the way of bars, restaurants and clubs. Just use them and stop thinking that more of the same is helpful to this city or just move to Hoboken, NYC or New Orleans.

Uh uh uh... to have fun. This city lacks any real night life even smaller cities have a better night life than JC and whether you like it or not nightlife is an integral part of living in a city even if the city bills itself as being "chill". People like to go and have fun something I doubt you know anything about. People would rather spend a night out in their own city rather than have to take a train or bus, into another city, which stop operating long before the typical closing hours for most clubs. Restaurants and a few bars won't do. If you want people to be as bored with life as you are then I highly suggest you move to West Bubble Fuk, Indiana.

We have MORE than enough bars and restaurants and places to hang out. There seem to be an endless supply of people who want places built to their specs. Ain't happening. What do clubs bring? Crime and stupidity. Have you ever been in Hoboken on a weekend night around the PATH station? It's a joke. Jersey City doesn't "need" that. The last thing we need is a Welcome Mat for idiots. And if you think "well we just need a club that's fun but kind of chill and no troublemakers and blah, blah, blah.." then you are blowing smoke up your own ass.

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Prismatic wrote:
The only thing he actually got 100% right is #6 but honestly it wouldn't hurt if the city allowed a few clubs here. It wouldn't turn in Hoboken if clubs were scattered around the city. Problem with Hoboken is most of the clubs are centered around one small location.

But yea he really only got #6 right.

What about Surf City and that Beer Hall? Why the #OOPS# would we want clubs? Doesn't anyone remember when they had that club under the TPK/1-9 Ramp? Just brought dangerous drivers and drunks making their way through quiet, residential streets. Jersey City has everything in the way of bars, restaurants and clubs. Just use them and stop thinking that more of the same is helpful to this city or just move to Hoboken, NYC or New Orleans.

Uh uh uh... to have fun. This city lacks any real night life even smaller cities have a better night life than JC and whether you like it or not nightlife is an integral part of living in a city even if the city bills itself as being "chill". People like to go and have fun something I doubt you know anything about. People would rather spend a night out in their own city rather than have to take a train or bus, into another city, which stop operating long before the typical closing hours for most clubs. Restaurants and a few bars won't do. If you want people to be as bored with life as you are then I highly suggest you move to West Bubble Fuk, Indiana.

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Prismatic wrote:
The only thing he actually got 100% right is #6 but honestly it wouldn't hurt if the city allowed a few clubs here. It wouldn't turn in Hoboken if clubs were scattered around the city. Problem with Hoboken is most of the clubs are centered around one small location.

But yea he really only got #6 right.

What about Surf City and that Beer Hall? Why the #OOPS# would we want clubs? Doesn't anyone remember when they had that club under the TPK/1-9 Ramp? Just brought dangerous drivers and drunks making their way through quiet, residential streets. Jersey City has everything in the way of bars, restaurants and clubs. Just use them and stop thinking that more of the same is helpful to this city or just move to Hoboken, NYC or New Orleans.

Uh uh uh... to have fun. This city lacks any real night life even smaller cities have a better night life than JC and whether you like it or not nightlife is an integral part of living in a city even if the city bills itself as being "chill". People like to go and have fun something I doubt you know anything about. People would rather spend a night out in their own city rather than have to take a train or bus, into another city, which stop operating long before the typical closing hours for most clubs. Restaurants and a few bars won't do. If you want people to be as bored with life as you are then I highly suggest you move to West Bubble Fuk, Indiana.

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Prismatic wrote:
The only thing he actually got 100% right is #6 but honestly it wouldn't hurt if the city allowed a few clubs here. It wouldn't turn in Hoboken if clubs were scattered around the city. Problem with Hoboken is most of the clubs are centered around one small location.

But yea he really only got #6 right.

What about Surf City and that Beer Hall? Why the #OOPS# would we want clubs? Doesn't anyone remember when they had that club under the TPK/1-9 Ramp? Just brought dangerous drivers and drunks making their way through quiet, residential streets. Jersey City has everything in the way of bars, restaurants and clubs. Just use them and stop thinking that more of the same is helpful to this city or just move to Hoboken, NYC or New Orleans.

Prismatic wrote:
The only thing he actually got 100% right is #6 but honestly it wouldn't hurt if the city allowed a few clubs here. It wouldn't turn in Hoboken if clubs were scattered around the city. Problem with Hoboken is most of the clubs are centered around one small location.

But yea he really only got #6 right.

anonymess wrote:
Much of what you quoted was out of context.

Views of the Manhattan skyline from Jersey City are so stunning that you might be inclined to walk the length of the Hudson waterfront. Good luck. A path along the river usually exists, but it's frequently broken up by hotels, condominium developments, and piers.

rosember wrote:
Get a life

Tris McCall is as objective as they come, and a resident of Jersey City. Knit pick what you will, I found the article factual and well written. He doesn't have an agenda, and tells it the way it is.