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hero69 wrote:
some republicans would say christie is a sell-out

Yes, that's true. The same thing is said about Obama re: Gitmo, NSA spying, random drone murders from the far left. The furthest from center will never be happy with those in the center.

The left, currently, is trying to play this up to position Christie as unsupportable in the primaries. Not surprising they want to derail his ascent, as they fear him the most among Republicans.

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some republicans would say christie is a sell-out

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Monroe wrote:
Pebble, we're not arguing whether someone really fat won't face ridicule and questions about if his/her health would be an issue in a race. Certainly, in Christie's case, the drive-by media would be sure to jump all over it.

But you're opposition to his politics has led you to, quite illogically, to both a) slam him for being fat and b) denigrate his attempts to improve his health, as well as c) demonize him for his appearance in a very non-PC way.

So, please, go on record-do you find all fat people disgusting, or only ones you want to demonize because you don't agree with their politics?

Because that's really revealing about your character, not Christie's.

No. That is your projection and assumption. I've made no statements about anyone other than Governor Chris Christie.

At least now you'll finally admit that Christie's appearance is a problem for him in the general election. Too bad you believe his weight issue is driven by "the media."

The Politico (a right wing blog): Weight issue lingers amid Christie-2016 buzz (11/17/2013)
TheWeek.com: Notable left wing loon, Mitt Romney, made fun of Chris Christie's weight

Pebble, I don't feel it will be an issue by the time he decides to run. He's already toned up, and will likely continue over the next year before he declares.

In any case, you called him disgusting because he was fat. Do you reserve calling only some fat people disgusting, because they are white, male, Republican-or do you find fat people disgusting in general?

If it is a) then you're politically nasty, rude, and the same as what you imagine some to be. If it's b) then you're just plain nasty and rude, and also insensitive.

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Monroe wrote:
Pebble, we're not arguing whether someone really fat won't face ridicule and questions about if his/her health would be an issue in a race. Certainly, in Christie's case, the drive-by media would be sure to jump all over it.

But you're opposition to his politics has led you to, quite illogically, to both a) slam him for being fat and b) denigrate his attempts to improve his health, as well as c) demonize him for his appearance in a very non-PC way.

So, please, go on record-do you find all fat people disgusting, or only ones you want to demonize because you don't agree with their politics?

Because that's really revealing about your character, not Christie's.

No. That is your projection and assumption. I've made no statements about anyone other than Governor Chris Christie.

At least now you'll finally admit that Christie's appearance is a problem for him in the general election. Too bad you believe his weight issue is driven by "the media."

The Politico (a right wing blog): Weight issue lingers amid Christie-2016 buzz (11/17/2013)
TheWeek.com: Notable left wing loon, Mitt Romney, made fun of Chris Christie's weight

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, we're not arguing whether someone really fat won't face ridicule and questions about if his/her health would be an issue in a race. Certainly, in Christie's case, the drive-by media would be sure to jump all over it.

But you're opposition to his politics has led you to, quite illogically, to both a) slam him for being fat and b) denigrate his attempts to improve his health, as well as c) demonize him for his appearance in a very non-PC way.

So, please, go on record-do you find all fat people disgusting, or only ones you want to demonize because you don't agree with their politics?

Because that's really revealing about your character, not Christie's.

Monroe wrote:
I think Christie is much more likely to enjoy a burger at the Landmark in Livingston than a Big Mac!

Maybe he'll even venture into Hudson County for one at New Park!

Monroe wrote:
And the linked article basically disproves your theory, because Christie has normal cardio levels, no diabetes, no sleep apnea, and his cholesterol numbers and blood pressure are normal.

So the things that generally shorten the life of someone obese aren't present, and his weight loss is coming along exactly to plan.

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Pebble, what about your overweight friends-do you call them disgusting? Would you mock them for taking pro-active steps to take care of their disease?

Do you have any 'disgusting' family members?

None of my friends or family is running for public office. It matters little to none.

Christie will run for president. His weight is a hindrance. He knows and you know it.

Obama is a smoker, and a chronic marijuana smoker and a cocaine user (when he could afford it) when younger. Did his health problems bother you too?

But, again-you called his appearance disgusting. Do you feel that your overweight friends and family are disgusting as well, or do you save such vile terms for Republicans. Is Hilary's ass in those pantsuits 'disgusting' as well? :)

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Funny. Bush was an alcoholic by his own admission and had DUI's. Obama smoked some weed, tried coke and still smokes. Ironically, Christie will probably die first from his food addiction.

By his own admission, Bush never said he was an alcoholic. He had a DUI at age 30 near the family home in Maine and was arrested. (Unlike the Kennedy's, the Bush's are accountable for their actions). Obama was a chronic pot smoker (even listed his fellow potsmokers as fellow 'choomers', and had strict rules for passing joints in the car!), and used cocaine whenever he could afford to during his twenties.

But please share with us your medical proof that he will 'likely' die during his term if elected, especially given that he's mostly remedied the weight issue that you base your assumption on.

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Funny. Bush was an alcoholic by his own admission and had DUI's. Obama smoked some weed, tried coke and still smokes. Ironically, Christie will probably die first from his food addiction.

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Maybe I was the only one, but when I first read the subject, I assumed it was about his health or some family skeletons. I think anyone voting for him will have to assume that there is a more than likely (higher than the expected death rate for men his age) possibility that he will die in office. A lot may depend on his running mate. Ask John McCain about this.

Really? Can you show some information about that?

A 'more than likely possibility' that he would die in office?

Are you joking?

First off, in a year he's lost about 65 lbs-a little over a pound a week. And it's the beginning of 2014. And to start with, minus a childhood problem with asthma, corrected by medication, he's generally quite fit.

But people like Pebble try to make this an issue of ability to govern, as well as strength of character and will.

Of course, those same people accept Obama being a lifetime smoker, as well as someone who was a chronic marijuana user and cocaine user during his formative years and beyond.

So don't fall into the typical Democrat 'use whatever you can to demonize someone', because it sounds like what many usually ascribe to Republicans!

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chris-chr ... dily-medical-report-says/

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Maybe I was the only one, but when I first read the subject, I assumed it was about his health or some family skeletons. I think anyone voting for him will have to assume that there is a more than likely (higher than the expected death rate for men his age) possibility that he will die in office. A lot may depend on his running mate. Ask John McCain about this.

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Monroe wrote:
Pebble, what about your overweight friends-do you call them disgusting? Would you mock them for taking pro-active steps to take care of their disease?

Do you have any 'disgusting' family members?

None of my friends or family is running for public office. It matters little to none.

Christie will run for president. His weight is a hindrance. He knows and you know it.

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Pebble, what about your overweight friends-do you call them disgusting? Would you mock them for taking pro-active steps to take care of their disease?

Do you have any 'disgusting' family members?

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Nice way to deflect with your straw man rebuttal ;) but you haven't provided a sound response to prove that isn't the democrats strategy, Pebble.

It's genius really. Make people dependent on government, permanently, and be known for such so they vote to keep it gojng. Why would any of those 47%ers (and soon to be 48, 49, 50....) vote republican ever again? That tide only moves in one direction: larger and larger.

Again, It really is genius, and I'm not being sarcastic about it. I'm only bummed the right didn't think of it first. But then again, they wouldn't be conservatives if they did.

And yes I know the difference between an op Ed and an article. That was posted on the run. Don't use subtle nuances as the core of your counter argument, for which I'm sure you have some elaborate novel. I'm not always at my desk waiting for the next response like some of you people on here.

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And pebble, you lost a lot of credibility on here suggesting The Beacon isn't in a completely sh*tty neighborhood. Talk about Kool Aid drinking, Brooklyn bridge buying craziness! Whoooo!

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Pebbles, better a clown nose than a dunce cap. First, what is a 'problem with minorities' exactly? The kind of problem like Obama has? Seen the unemployment numbers for minorities with Obama? Or the poverty level under Obama? Has he made any gains in his time as POTUS?

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Fat people are 'disgusting'? Really? You pigeonhole people because of their appearance? Do you know obesity is considered a disease? Are mentally ill people disgusting to you? People with drug addictions? Do your fat friends know you think they are disgusting?

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And medical attention isn't a good way to take care of a problem? Would you hold it against Obama if he used acupuncture to help him stop smoking? Hypnosis?? Can Mrs. Clinton, say, not use Botox or color her hair to make her more presentable? Or wear Spanx??

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Massive war chest? This isn't the days of Frank Hague and the Democratic machine (although Christie won every county except Hudson and Essex). No, his bi-partisan approach appealed across party, racial, gender, and economic lines. And what's scaring you is that his national popularity is trending in a similar manner.

Republican Chris Christie has nearly eight times more money to spend than Democratic challenger Barbara Buono in the remaining weeks before the Nov. 5 contest for governor, financial disclosures released Tuesday show.

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Here is the non-partisan politifact backing my claim on job growth. If you don't agree please provide a similar link by a non-partisan group. (The part about job creation is in the second half of the story, btw).

http://www.politifact.com/new-jersey/ ... outs-balanced-budgets-jo/

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Finally, obviously there can't be a statistic about insular and silo'd management by the POTUS. But the fact that the single largest piece of legislation ever introduced was done without a single bi-partisan vote, snuck in by a procedural manoeuver, that controls almost 20% of the GDP, massaged with Chicago style back room deals-it speaks for itself. Well, the fact that so many Democrats (you know, the ones coming up for mid term elections) are running away from it should tell you about the kind of deals that are made when bi-partisanship gets ignored.

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Is that why many prominent democrats were quoted saying the reason they finally got a longer term budget in place is because Barry was too busy to interfere?