Browsing this Thread:
2 Anonymous Users
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
 
|
Quote:
Again, you didn?t provide specific details of a plausible armed self-defense scenario relating specifically to an incident where a woman is taken by surprise by a knife-wielding man outside her field of vision. You may as well have written, ?First she presses the CIRCLE button to roll away from the attacker, selects her weapon with the directional buttons on the PlayStation controller, and then presses and holds L1 to aim.? It?s not hard to generate relevant questions that bear significantly on the reality of armed self-defense that are irresponsible and dangerous to ignore, but I don?t gather you?re doing that. For example: How close is the assailant when the victim realizes she is in danger? Where does she have her weapon secreted? Is it in a holster? Is the holster Velcro-ed or buttoned closed? Is she trained in self-defense with a firearm? Is it a semi-auto or a revolver? If the former, is a round already chambered? How long does it take her to draw it from its concealed location and aim? Is she frightened? How does she react differently under that kind of pressure? What are the assailants options when he sees that woman might be going for a weapon? Does he flee and risk being shot or does he close distance faster than she can retrieve her gun and physically assault her or stab her with the knife he?s already holding? Do they struggle? Is he physically stronger? Does he also have a gun? Most importantly, do her actions increase or decrease her potential risk of serious, if not mortal injury? If you and your wife want to bring loaded guns on to public streets and places of business without considering these issues, that?s already an argument that perhaps you are not responsible or skilled enough to do so.
Posted on: 2012/1/25 14:52
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Arguments like this have been made since 1987 when Florida became a "shall issue" state. It was big because at that time, no state with densely populated urban centers had passed shall issue CCW (CT was still a may issue state.. today it pretty much gives permits to anyone who can pass the background checks). Which means that unless you have a criminal or mental history, you cannot be denied a permit. "The gun will just be taken from the victim and used in further crimes" "Minor traffic accidents will turn into gun battles..." "Innocent people will get shot by the thousands..." If any of the above was the norm, the expansion of "Shall Issue" would have never made it past Florida. The reality is that arming law abiding people has been a success. 25 years later..... No mass killing by CCW holders... Lots of crimes stopped by CCW holders.. Only 9 states restrict or ban CCW for the general public Millions of CCW permits issued (VT, AK, require no permits)
Posted on: 2012/1/24 23:30
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Perps seem to like the "hit em from behind with no warning" method lately.
More likely scenario is perp knocks out man from behind, steals his gun purse, uses it to move on to bigger and better crimes.
Posted on: 2012/1/24 23:15
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Perp pulls knife Woman pulls gun from concealed holster on her body. Perp runs away, or like the story from CT, which was a damn close situation to what happened here in J.C., takes two to the chest. Woman keeps purse. Situations like this play out all the time, except here because unless you are a retired cop or have political connections, you will not be granted a permit to carry. NJ does have a CCW law.. but it is given to only the chosen few.
Posted on: 2012/1/24 22:49
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Perhaps you misunderstood. Can you flesh out a believable scenario where a concealed firearm would have safely prevented this crime? Keep in mind the known facts of the story.
Posted on: 2012/1/24 22:31
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
From the news: NEW HAVEN (AP) -- New Haven police say a would-be mugger pulled a knife, but the intended victim had a gun and shot the suspect twice in the chest. Read more: http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/Vi ... -464247.php#ixzz1kPuaMSRa This is unusual only in the fact the mugger got shot. In most cases where a person uses a gun for self defense, no shots are fired. Drawing the firearm is enough to deter the crime.
Posted on: 2012/1/24 22:22
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
If that?s the case, can you flesh out a believable scenario where a concealed firearm would have safely prevented this crime?
Posted on: 2012/1/24 21:50
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
SICULO wrote: Byzyntine or not, Theres no jury in this country that would convict someone for protecting their Family while in their home from a Threating intruder, and if there is, then its time to move!
Posted on: 2012/1/24 18:59
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Just can't stay away
|
Quote:
Byzyntine or not, Theres no jury in this country that would convict someone for protecting their Family while in their home from a Threating intruder, and if there is, then its time to move! 
Posted on: 2012/1/24 17:43
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
It may happen. We live in a bit of a bubble here in the NYC to Philly Metro areas: The rest of the country (even in the liberal North East places like CT) allow concealed carry and have a clear Castle Doctrine law (you can use deadly force to protect yourself from home invasion). Other states have gone further to extend Castle Doctrine (Stand Your Ground) to outside the home. Here in NJ, the law is so Byzantine in nature that you will likely face jail time if you use deadly force to protect your home. In addition, NJ likes to send gun owners to jail for say, stopping for gas on your way to the pistol range to practice.
As a law abiding people, we can either take charge of our own defense and protection, or continue to yield our rights to do so to the state. The latter will mean we become like Europe: Cameras everywhere, increasing crime, and a state more interested in enforcing misdemeanors such as failing to recycle than actually reducing crime (hey.. those fines leveled pay for those cameras... hardened criminals cost the state money to lock up).
Posted on: 2012/1/24 14:38
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
You said it. We need the Congress to do something 100% constitutional for once, - and force the full reciprocity for CCW permits just the same as it works with drivers licenses.
Posted on: 2012/1/24 5:08
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
This is another reason why NJ needs to join the majority of the country and allow CCW (you can only get it in NJ if you have the right political connections). If the law that forces states to honor out of state concealed carry permits (like states do for driver's licenses) makes it out of Congress, I think I will move my residency back to Vermont so I can carry here in Jersey City (and so can my wife).
Posted on: 2012/1/22 1:56
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2011/12/12 0:13 Last Login : 2018/7/28 23:29 From Right here!
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
847
 |
I am glad this woman did not get hurt but what is truly disturbing is that this took place not far from Jerry Healy's residence on Ferry St.
Posted on: 2012/1/22 1:08
|
|||
|
||||
|
Heights: woman's purse snatched at knifepoint at 7:20 p.m. on Central Ave.
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Jersey City Heights woman's purse snatched at knifepoint, police say
Friday, January 20, 2012, 3:00 AM By The Jersey Journal A Jersey City Heights resident was mugged at knifepoint at Central and Prospect avenues at 7:20 p.m. Wednesday night, according to police reports. The 40-year-old victim told police that a man wearing a white coat followed her for several blocks before showing the knife and grabbing her pocketbook, reports said. The robber walked away north on Central Avenue and then east on Reservoir Avenue, reports said. After police responded to the area, they spoke to a witness who spotted the suspect rummaging through a black pocketbook at Booraem Avenue and Lineau Place, reports said. When the suspect saw the person watching him, he dropped the pocketbook and left the area, reports said. Police recovered the victim?s pocketbook, but she said credit cards, identification cards, and a set of house keys were missing, reports said.
Posted on: 2012/1/20 9:57
|
|||
|
||||