greenville wrote:


http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/03/20/87743/code-red-gun/

http://gawker.com/5501717/tea-party-v ... tes-out-for-liberal-blood

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles ... th-arizona-minuteman.html

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borisp wrote:



Do you have anything to support THAT accusation?

I know a couple of them personally (tea baggers), and I debate with them when I get the chance. Most of them share a love guns and a bitter hatred of Obama, which is more than just ideological.

Look, this is not going to work.

You claimed that on the Tea Party, "across America", are a "bunch of lunatics who will physically assault anyone who do not agree with their positions"

After we are done, we can change the subject and discuss that "bitter hatred of Obama" you mentioned.

But before we do, - please, give me examples to support your first statement.

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rbnyfan wrote:
What always tickles me is that the common man is enraged at Wall Street and the bankers 6 figure salary. Where's the outrage at MLB players who make 10 times that? or the NFL player? The NBA is in a lockout because they can't agree over how many millions of dollars to pay their players. But yeah, let's tax the greedy bankers.

And don't forget the number one heroes of all these lefties: the greedy, multi-millionaire, loud-mouth musicians and Hollywood actors. When was the last time they railed against the likes of Springsteen (no property taxes), Spielberg and Penn (movie industry subsidies) like they do against bankers? Bunch of hypocrites.

rbnyfan wrote:
What always tickles me is that the common man is enraged at Wall Street and the bankers 6 figure salary. Where's the outrage at MLB players who make 10 times that? or the NFL player? The NBA is in a lockout because they can't agree over how many millions of dollars to pay their players. But yeah, let's tax the greedy bankers.

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greenville wrote:
...... but I will tell you that if nothing is done to fix the train wreck that people call government in NJ it will be worse than anything you can imagine.

I agree.

And the word you are looking for is... ELECTIONS.

You have nobody to blame other than yourselves.

You want change, - stop voting for the same people you vote!
How's that for a solution?

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greenville wrote:
...... but I will tell you that if nothing is done to fix the train wreck that people call government in NJ it will be worse than anything you can imagine.

I agree.

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borisp wrote:

What I am going to ask now, is - in this spirit of logical rationality, - would you care to provide some convincing factual examples to support your accusations about the Tea Party?

That is, - I understand you are against their politics, which is fine. But you also accused them of being "just as crazy" as people who threaten physical violence.

Do you have anything to support THAT accusation?

Suggest those that are interested use the following as a search "tea party hate".
I personally won't want put the offending images up, but I am not going to deny or ignore they exist.

borisp, Without getting into any policies and politics, don't you feel those who deny that the tea party has some individuals who are crazy and hateful are lacking "logical rationality"?

I want to go back to the topic at hand (Re: With the budget wrapped up, Christie said he is leaving this weekend for a two-week family vacation.)

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borisp wrote:



Do you have anything to support THAT accusation?

I know a couple of them personally (tea baggers), and I debate with them when I get the chance. Most of them share a love guns and a bitter hatred of Obama, which is more than just ideological.

greenville wrote:
...... but I will tell you that if nothing is done to fix the train wreck that people call government in NJ it will be worse than anything you can imagine.

ianmac47 wrote:
Yeah, come on guys. Making fun of people who are too stupid to know that you are making fun of them, whether its Chris Christie or BorisP or teacher, just isn't as enjoyable as making fun of people with the capacity to understand that they are being ridiculed.

borisp wrote:

What I am going to ask now, is - in this spirit of logical rationality, - would you care to provide some convincing factual examples to support your accusations about the Tea Party?

That is, - I understand you are against their politics, which is fine. But you also accused them of being "just as crazy" as people who threaten physical violence.

Do you have anything to support THAT accusation?

borisp wrote:

What I am going to ask now, is - in this spirit of logical rationality, - would you care to provide some convincing factual examples to support your accusations about the Tea Party?

That is, - I understand you are against their politics, which is fine. But you also accused them of being "just as crazy" as people who threaten physical violence.

Do you have anything to support THAT accusation?

They poke fun at Christie because he's overweight, just like the tea party pokes fun at Obama for been half African.

greenville wrote:

No they didn't lie. What they forgot to mention was that BOTH sides (extreme right & left) are a bunch of lunatics who will physically assault anyone who do not agree with their positions. The far left in NJ has become just as crazy as tea party that we see across America.

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lefty55 wrote:
Back to Christie's vacation, I hope he and his family aren't going to the beach because someone might stick a harpoon in him.

I am puzzled.

They told me that it were Republicans who draw targets on the map with their political opponents and that those targets symbolize rifle cross-hairs and that this is trade mark right-wing violent rhetoric, - while the lefties yearn, YEARN for the new, civilized tone of discussion.

So... they lied, huh?

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Charon wrote:
Sweeney unleashes his fury as N.J. budget battle turns personal

By Tom Moran/ The Star-Ledger

TRENTON ? Senate President Stephen Sweeney went to bed furious Thursday night after reviewing the governor?s line-item veto of the state budget.

He woke up Friday morning even angrier.

"This is all about him being a bully and a punk," he said in an interview Friday.

"I wanted to punch him in his head."

http://blog.nj.com/njv_tom_moran/2011 ... cry_foul_at_gov_chri.html

Better late than never Sweeney. Too bad you caved on the pension/med. insurance issue already.

Really? "Better late than never"? You confirm that THIS is what you expect from your elected representative?

THIS?

No alternative proposal of the non-deficit budget. Cursing and violent threats - in response to the democratic procedure that didn't go your way.

Well, ok. I mean, if you decided that this is what represents your political position the best - who am I to argue? Duly noted.


P.S. As I noted before, - all those talks about "violent rhetoric" from the right, and all talks about yearning of the left for the "civilized dialogue", - that was just a bunch of bull. As we see, the reality is quite different.

Charon wrote:
Sweeney unleashes his fury as N.J. budget battle turns personal

By Tom Moran/ The Star-Ledger

TRENTON ? Senate President Stephen Sweeney went to bed furious Thursday night after reviewing the governor?s line-item veto of the state budget.

He woke up Friday morning even angrier.

"This is all about him being a bully and a punk," he said in an interview Friday.

"I wanted to punch him in his head."

http://blog.nj.com/njv_tom_moran/2011 ... cry_foul_at_gov_chri.html

Better late than never Sweeney. Too bad you caved on the pension/med. insurance issue already.

lefty55 wrote:
Back to Christie's vacation, I hope he and his family aren't going to the beach because someone might stick a harpoon in him.

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asdfdf23 wrote:

Look into how the stadiums, arenas and ballparks are built with taxpayer funds. The individuals, who get this done, are known as bankers, work for investment funds

Nope, wrong. No banker can possibly forcibly extract one dollar from a taxpayer.

The people who do that are called "elected officials". And they work for a so-called "government"

Do you know WHY bankers and investment fund managers and others are coming to those politicians and exchanging favors with them?

No? Let me tell you. It is YOU.

Not you personally, of course, - but everyone who wants the Government to get involved in the economy. You want it, and you vote for it, - and the government is always very willing to expand its powers.

And then you have a situation where consumer no longer decides which company thrives, which survives, and which goes belly-up. No more it is you and your dollars. Nope.

Now, the Government makes the decision, - more than you.


Why are you surprised that business caters to the government more than it caters to you?

If for a business an investment of $1 in lobbying gives more profit than an investment in R&D, or making the products cheaper, or better, or improving service and so on, - a business will invest in lobbying. Plain and simple.

Remember, when the GM was about to fail? Why was that? I can tell you - it was because YOU were not buying their cars. So, the Government intervened and said, - "if you refuse to buy their cars voluntarily, we will force you to give them money without getting car in exchange - for nothing!"

And they took your money and gave to GM. And you thought "oh, that is a good decision! I will vote for them again!"

Good luck with that.

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asdfdf23 wrote:

Look into how the stadiums, arenas and ballparks are built with taxpayer funds. The individuals, who get this done, are known as bankers, work for investment funds

Nope, wrong. No banker can possibly forcibly extract one dollar from a taxpayer.

The people who do that are called "elected officials". And they work for a so-called "government"

Do you know WHY bankers and investment fund managers and others are coming to those politicians and exchanging favors with them?

No? Let me tell you. It is YOU.

Not you personally, of course, - but everyone who wants the Government to get involved in the economy. You want it, and you vote for it, - and the government is always very willing to expand its powers.

And then you have a situation where consumer no longer decides which company thrives, which survives, and which goes belly-up. No more it is you and your dollars. Nope.

Now, the Government makes the decision, - more than you.


Why are you surprised that business caters to the government more than it caters to you?

If for a business an investment of $1 in lobbying gives more profit than an investment in R&D, or making the products cheaper, or better, or improving service and so on, - a business will invest in lobbying. Plain and simple.

Remember, when the GM was about to fail? Why was that? I can tell you - it was because YOU were not buying their cars. So, the Government intervened and said, - "if you refuse to buy their cars voluntarily, we will force you to give them money without getting car in exchange - for nothing!"

And they took your money and gave to GM. And you thought "oh, that is a good decision! I will vote for them again!"

Good luck with that.

asdfdf23 wrote:

Look into how the stadiums, arenas and ballparks are built with taxpayer funds. The individuals, who get this done, are known as bankers, work for investment funds

rbnyfan wrote:
What always tickles me is that the common man is enraged at Wall Street and the bankers 6 figure salary. Where\'s the outrage at MLB players who make 10 times that? or the NFL player? The NBA is in a lockout because they can\'t agree over how many millions of dollars to pay their players. But yeah, let\'s tax the greedy bankers.