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You're right, I misread your Commissioner title vs the Exec.

But after ranking dead last, CME vaults to win the bid after getting extra 'points' after the interview process.

How are the bids weighed? What is a 'point'? Is this a standard method of awarding bids? How much does a 'presentation' count vis a vis the dollar amount bid?

And if CME was so impressive, how did they underbid the contract so much they came back and asked for double the amount they contracted for?

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So, you're not fauxraged that an 'independent' authority, chaired by Fulop's campaign manager, rigs the bidding process so that a company (not a law firm, btw) who made large donations to Fulop's campaign, gets awarded a sizeable contract, that later gets amended to double the size of the contract (so far).

Got it!



You should re-read the article.

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For AC he just announced that NJ will not enforce a federal law against sports gambling. Obviously intended to help the casinos.

Well, he could have passed the law put on his desk last year which would have made sports gambling in NJ legal. Instead, he vetoed it and now he claims that the casinos can go ahead after several of them have closed their doors. That?s leadership! (PS: It is still illegal in NJ because he vetoed the bill so federal prosecutors certainly can go after casinos.)

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For Pharma, big corps, etc, he has given very generous tax credits to any corporation that might move out of state, in an effort to keep jobs in NJ.

Yes. He gave a boatload of tax credits to pharmaceutical companies that chose to split off branches into subsidiaries (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/nj-gove ... tie-visits-140000318.html). Woohoo! He?s awesome!

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In terms of getting young people to move here, it's not like he can clean out NJ's big cities of the "residents" or the terrible inner city culture they breathe. Be real, no young person would want to live near those people and we can't change that. I think he's doing most of what can be expected.

Young people moved to Brooklyn and Harlem?

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So, you're not fauxraged that an 'independent' authority, chaired by Fulop's campaign manager, rigs the bidding process so that a company (not a law firm, btw) who made large donations to Fulop's campaign, gets awarded a sizeable contract, that later gets amended to double the size of the contract (so far).

Got it!

I said the two weren't equivalent. You can keep trying though...

I'm stealing the ball away from the "big boys", so the rest of us can get back to the game - if anyone else is still paying attention, that is...

Here is one of many articles I found researching the issue of why NJ's economy is lagging compared to surrounding states: https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/down ... omic_Outlook_06162014.pdf

It's concise and probably oversimplifies some of the conditions, but it avoids editorializing and reminds of us key areas the Governor could be proposing initiatives to enhance NJ's economic picture:
- reinforcing key industries, such has big pharma
- investing in tourism overall, in particular rebuilding AC
- encouraging more young people to move here (hint to the naysayers - young people, while I am not one I have lots of younger friends and they don't care about taxes! They care about amenities, opportunities, being part of the growing urbanization of American life - all of which our area of NJ has to offer a lot of).

So, to recap and rebut the original post - what has Christie been doing to build NJ's assets?


For AC he just announced that NJ will not enforce a federal law against sports gambling. Obviously intended to help the casinos.

For Pharma, big corps, etc, he has given very generous tax credits to any corporation that might move out of state, in an effort to keep jobs in NJ.

In terms of getting young people to move here, it's not like he can clean out NJ's big cities of the "residents" or the terrible inner city culture they breathe. Be real, no young person would want to live near those people and we can't change that. I think he's doing most of what can be expected.

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So, you're not fauxraged that an 'independent' authority, chaired by Fulop's campaign manager, rigs the bidding process so that a company (not a law firm, btw) who made large donations to Fulop's campaign, gets awarded a sizeable contract, that later gets amended to double the size of the contract (so far).

Got it!

I said the two weren't equivalent. You can keep trying though...

I'm stealing the ball away from the "big boys", so the rest of us can get back to the game - if anyone else is still paying attention, that is...

Here is one of many articles I found researching the issue of why NJ's economy is lagging compared to surrounding states: https://www08.wellsfargomedia.com/down ... omic_Outlook_06162014.pdf

It's concise and probably oversimplifies some of the conditions, but it avoids editorializing and reminds of us key areas the Governor could be proposing initiatives to enhance NJ's economic picture:
- reinforcing key industries, such has big pharma
- investing in tourism overall, in particular rebuilding AC
- encouraging more young people to move here (hint to the naysayers - young people, while I am not one I have lots of younger friends and they don't care about taxes! They care about amenities, opportunities, being part of the growing urbanization of American life - all of which our area of NJ has to offer a lot of).

So, to recap and rebut the original post - what has Christie been doing to build NJ's assets?

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So, you're not fauxraged that an 'independent' authority, chaired by Fulop's campaign manager, rigs the bidding process so that a company (not a law firm, btw) who made large donations to Fulop's campaign, gets awarded a sizeable contract, that later gets amended to double the size of the contract (so far).

Got it!

I said the two weren't equivalent. You can keep trying though...

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So, you're not fauxraged that an 'independent' authority, chaired by Fulop's campaign manager, rigs the bidding process so that a company (not a law firm, btw) who made large donations to Fulop's campaign, gets awarded a sizeable contract, that later gets amended to double the size of the contract (so far).

Got it!


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Pebble, I hope you're not too shocked about this!

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... o_fulop.html#incart_river

That happens. You set an hourly rate. You quote how much you think it will take. It is underestimated. I've done it before, just as every other law firm on the planet. Even buying my house, the lawyer gave one rate and it came out higher due to "additional unexpected costs".


Yes, and it's just a coinky dinkee that the MUA head was Fulop's campaign manager, that CME came in last for the contract until there was a 'do-over' set of interviews with the bidders that shifted them to win it with unspecified criteria, and that CME staff had donated almost $40,000 to Fulop's campaign!

I don't think there is any denying why this firm received the contract.

I fail to see what this has to do with Samson and his morally bankrupt actions. Are you trying to use this as some means to justify Samson's actions or make them legitimate?

I'm sorry, but you'll need to actually explain how a law firm doing what it was hired to do is the same as Samson dropping the rent that the PA receives for property after Samson receives money from the renter.

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Pebble, I hope you're not too shocked about this!

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... o_fulop.html#incart_river

That happens. You set an hourly rate. You quote how much you think it will take. It is underestimated. I've done it before, just as every other law firm on the planet. Even buying my house, the lawyer gave one rate and it came out higher due to "additional unexpected costs".


Yes, and it's just a coinky dinkee that the MUA head was Fulop's campaign manager, that CME came in last for the contract until there was a 'do-over' set of interviews with the bidders that shifted them to win it with unspecified criteria, and that CME staff had donated almost $40,000 to Fulop's campaign!

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Pebble, I hope you're not too shocked about this!

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... o_fulop.html#incart_river

That happens. You set an hourly rate. You quote how much you think it will take. It is underestimated. I've done it before, just as every other law firm on the planet. Even buying my house, the lawyer gave one rate and it came out higher due to "additional unexpected costs".

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Pebble, Democratic Governors and Republican Governors have been using the Port Authority as a patronage pit and money source pretty much since it started. The NY Governor's have done a better job of sucking it (and us) dry than NJ Governor's have. Christie is no worse than any others in this regard. At least he was able to save us more than a billion dollars by using PA money to fix the Pulaski Skyway in a tit-for-tat with NY over money going to the Freedom Tower.

The Freedom Tower, while overwrought with expenses is at least owned and operated by the PA as opposed to the Pulaski. I see it as highly possible/probable that someone else running the PA may come in looking for that money back. We?ll see.

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As far as 'excuses' for the economic recovery, I'd wager you're supporter of the POTUS who's still blaming the economy on Bush-almost 7 years into his Presidency . . .

You can wager all you want. Obama, like Christie, was the better options of what was supplied. He?s not lived up to the billing. I don?t think there is much that any president can do in regards to the national economy. Much of the problem comes from the idea that lessoning the tax burdens on companies will increase their ability to hire. Since this is a Republican meme and Obama has pushed forward with it to little avail, I fail to see how anyone would have done better.

Ultimately, we don?t have menial jobs paying decent wages any longer. Thus, the divide grows.

You seem intent on blaming this on the president. I don?t blame Bush for the crap economy he left behind, either. We live in a global market where shipping from China is about as costly as shipping from Idaho. Thus, why hire the Idahoan when you can hire the Chinese?

The low end jobs have become service jobs. These are stock workers, check-out clerks, waiters/waitresses, garbagemen/women, bus drivers, etc and there are only so many of these jobs available.

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But, even with Christie's acts on things he can control (pension reform, tenure reform, 2% cap on muni taxes) there's only so much he can do when his hands are so tied. Just between JC and Newark schools over a billion and a half dollars of taxpayer money is diverted each year, every year-with awful return on investment. Imagine if that money was wisely used.

Yawn? more excuses?

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And when the cost of paving a mile of NJ highways is 8 times the national average it's now wonder our state taxes are spread so thin, even though they are so high. Democrats made those deals with the unions, not Christie.

Yet even more excuses.

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As far as Fulop/Lesniak, show me where a man has been and I will show you where he's going to go. Fulop is already giving Lesniak's law firm no-bid contracts, including the one representing JC vs the Port Authority now. What a perfect way to justify giving him business if Fulop ends up in Trenton-'Ray's firm has the experience looking into the PA, so he'd be perfect to reform it'!

Your point? While working to reform the PA will they also double dip and take money to lobby the PA and then pass changes in the PA so that the companies which they lobbied for get sweetheart deals?

No matter how you dice it, if the PA is saying that they need to raise the costs of fares then they shouldn?t be lower the rent of property from $1m to $1.00. That is what Samson did because his firm was paid to lobby for a parking lot.

Should Fulop become elected and should Fulop hire his buddies and should his buddies act as corruptly as Samson has, I will feel the same way. But, that?s a lot of ?should? and all we have to go on is what Christie?s good buddy Samson is doing and it shouldn?t be acceptable to anyone.

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Pebble, I hope you're not too shocked about this!

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... o_fulop.html#incart_river

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Pebble, Democratic Governors and Republican Governors have been using the Port Authority as a patronage pit and money source pretty much since it started. The NY Governor's have done a better job of sucking it (and us) dry than NJ Governor's have. Christie is no worse than any others in this regard. At least he was able to save us more than a billion dollars by using PA money to fix the Pulaski Skyway in a tit-for-tat with NY over money going to the Freedom Tower.

As far as 'excuses' for the economic recovery, I'd wager you're supporter of the POTUS who's still blaming the economy on Bush-almost 7 years into his Presidency . . .

But, even with Christie's acts on things he can control (pension reform, tenure reform, 2% cap on muni taxes) there's only so much he can do when his hands are so tied. Just between JC and Newark schools over a billion and a half dollars of taxpayer money is diverted each year, every year-with awful return on investment. Imagine if that money was wisely used.

And when the cost of paving a mile of NJ highways is 8 times the national average it's now wonder our state taxes are spread so thin, even though they are so high. Democrats made those deals with the unions, not Christie.

As far as Fulop/Lesniak, show me where a man has been and I will show you where he's going to go. Fulop is already giving Lesniak's law firm no-bid contracts, including the one representing JC vs the Port Authority now. What a perfect way to justify giving him business if Fulop ends up in Trenton-'Ray's firm has the experience looking into the PA, so he'd be perfect to reform it'!

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Pebs, get with it. If Fulop becomes governor just watch how much Port Authority business gets sent to Lesniak's law firm.

That?s a strawman. Fulop isn?t governor and while it is possible that Lesniak?s law firm might get business, it is possible they?ll be less corrupt than Samson. Regardless, it is pure conjecture.

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I said from day one that Christie should've gone after the Port Authority the same way he's reined in the Passaic Valley Sewerage Commission, and the Delaware River Authority. It may be that it's just too entrenched to do it without Cuomo's total buy in. The other is more recent, I'm bothered that Christie didn't demand the release of the imprisoned soldier in Mexico during his trip there last week. I'm waiting on an explanation for that one.

You might have said it, but Christie didn?t do it. Instead, he placed his good buddy in charge to rob it blind. The end result is what matters, not your hopes for what Christie could have done.

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As to the other states faring better than NJ they have a more stable economy to begin with, although CT is pretty highly taxed-but not as much as NJ. Being so far behind the 8 ball we're in a deeper hole to climb out of.

Excuses.

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Thinking that things would be reformed if Buono had been elected is hilarious. She'd be the poster child for giving away taxpayer money to the Democrat special interest groups and unions, probably in a larger manner than what got us in the position we're in now. Illegal aliens would get money for college, taking it away from the taxpayers trying to educate their own children, would probably be her first 'accomplishment'.

I believe my description of Buono above was ?She sucked.? I only commented on the hiring of the morally bankrupt Samson.

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And, my interest in Hillary's booty is about the same as her husbands-zero.

Yet you comment on it so much?

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Would Buono have placed "General" Samson in charge of the Port Authority to rob it via "consulting" for companies lobbying the Port Authority...?


No. She would have appointed somebody else to rob the Port Authority. Can we stop pretending that one party is more virtuous (or less criminal) than the other? NJ politics is rotten. Period. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. And because of the insane amount of local government here and the desire to preserve "home rule" at all costs, it will never change. Ever.

Nobody is saying she'd be more virtuous. But is it not possible to fathom the fact that the prior governors were capable of not hiring completely morally bankrupt individuals like "General" Samson?


Pebs, get with it. If Fulop becomes governor just watch how much Port Authority business gets sent to Lesniak's law firm.

I said from day one that Christie should've gone after the Port Authority the same way he's reined in the Passaic Valley Sewerage Commission, and the Delaware River Authority. It may be that it's just too entrenched to do it without Cuomo's total buy in. The other is more recent, I'm bothered that Christie didn't demand the release of the imprisoned soldier in Mexico during his trip there last week. I'm waiting on an explanation for that one.

As to the other states faring better than NJ they have a more stable economy to begin with, although CT is pretty highly taxed-but not as much as NJ. Being so far behind the 8 ball we're in a deeper hole to climb out of.

Thinking that things would be reformed if Buono had been elected is hilarious. She'd be the poster child for giving away taxpayer money to the Democrat special interest groups and unions, probably in a larger manner than what got us in the position we're in now. Illegal aliens would get money for college, taking it away from the taxpayers trying to educate their own children, would probably be her first 'accomplishment'.

And, my interest in Hillary's booty is about the same as her husbands-zero.

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Would Buono have placed "General" Samson in charge of the Port Authority to rob it via "consulting" for companies lobbying the Port Authority...?


No. She would have appointed somebody else to rob the Port Authority. Can we stop pretending that one party is more virtuous (or less criminal) than the other? NJ politics is rotten. Period. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. And because of the insane amount of local government here and the desire to preserve "home rule" at all costs, it will never change. Ever.

Nobody is saying she'd be more virtuous. But is it not possible to fathom the fact that the prior governors were capable of not hiring completely morally bankrupt individuals like "General" Samson?

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Would Buono have placed "General" Samson in charge of the Port Authority to rob it via "consulting" for companies lobbying the Port Authority...?


No. She would have appointed somebody else to rob the Port Authority. Can we stop pretending that one party is more virtuous (or less criminal) than the other? NJ politics is rotten. Period. Democrats do it. Republicans do it. And because of the insane amount of local government here and the desire to preserve "home rule" at all costs, it will never change. Ever.

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Anyone want a recount for Buono? I hate agreeing with Monroe on anything, but what choice did we have?


Would Buono have placed "General" Samson in charge of the Port Authority to rob it via "consulting" for companies lobbying the Port Authority...?

Buono sucked and she was a sacrificial lamb as the Democrats didn't feel like challenging the human version of Audrey II. It certainly didn't help that Corzine was a criminal, thus opening the door for someone that was basically gifted everything in life.

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Anyone want a recount for Buono? I hate agreeing with Monroe on anything, but what choice did we have?


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It should be no surprise that the most densely populated state in the union is suffering the Obama economy so badly. Of course, if all the previous administrations had put any money into the pension fund that Christie has been putting into, and the cozy relationship the unions (Corzine/Katz, anyone?) have had with politicians didn't cost so much, we'd be solvent.

And when Christie tries to remedy the situation without making our crippling level of taxation (and killing the economy further) worse he gets heat.

Go figure.

It's been proven time after time after time that just about every other state is doing better economically than NJ. Yet, somehow, Jaba the Governor remains blameless from you. Just face it, the guy sucks at his job.


Jabba? Fat jokes?? Really??? I'm sure you'd laugh if I talked about Madame Hilary's ass in a pantsuit, right?

Yeah, between the courts costing NJ billions of dollars a year in lost revenue directed to Abbott schools, the Obama economy forcing thousands out of work in Atlantic City (who has money to gamble?), gasoline costing NJ taxpayers about TWICE what it was when Obama took office (imagine how better our economy would be if you had the equivalent of not paying for every other fill up!), the damage caused by the largest national disaster EVER IN THE HISTORY OF NJ (Christie's fault??), our Democratic Senators inability over decades to bring back our tax dollars from Washington (always last or next to last in the nation), I got it.

Blame Christie. He took the Lindbergh baby too I heard!

Does her ass turn you on? Not my thing, but hey, it's your fetish!

I never said it was all Christie's fault. However, it is a curious coincidence that NY, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Virginia, etc have all been able to rebound better than New Jersey in this "awful Obama depression" as you like to call it.

By the way, is it intentional on your fault that you get to blame Obama for NJ's failures but when all of those states around us are somehow able to make do, yet NJ can't, you refuse to point any fingers at our resident blob...

If I was half as bad at my job that he is at his, I'd have been fired.

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It should be no surprise that the most densely populated state in the union is suffering the Obama economy so badly. Of course, if all the previous administrations had put any money into the pension fund that Christie has been putting into, and the cozy relationship the unions (Corzine/Katz, anyone?) have had with politicians didn't cost so much, we'd be solvent.

And when Christie tries to remedy the situation without making our crippling level of taxation (and killing the economy further) worse he gets heat.

Go figure.

It's been proven time after time after time that just about every other state is doing better economically than NJ. Yet, somehow, Jaba the Governor remains blameless from you. Just face it, the guy sucks at his job.


Jabba? Fat jokes?? Really??? I'm sure you'd laugh if I talked about Madame Hilary's ass in a pantsuit, right?

Yeah, between the courts costing NJ billions of dollars a year in lost revenue directed to Abbott schools, the Obama economy forcing thousands out of work in Atlantic City (who has money to gamble?), gasoline costing NJ taxpayers about TWICE what it was when Obama took office (imagine how better our economy would be if you had the equivalent of not paying for every other fill up!), the damage caused by the largest national disaster EVER IN THE HISTORY OF NJ (Christie's fault??), our Democratic Senators inability over decades to bring back our tax dollars from Washington (always last or next to last in the nation), I got it.

Blame Christie. He took the Lindbergh baby too I heard!

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It should be no surprise that the most densely populated state in the union is suffering the Obama economy so badly. Of course, if all the previous administrations had put any money into the pension fund that Christie has been putting into, and the cozy relationship the unions (Corzine/Katz, anyone?) have had with politicians didn't cost so much, we'd be solvent.

And when Christie tries to remedy the situation without making our crippling level of taxation (and killing the economy further) worse he gets heat.

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It's been proven time after time after time that just about every other state is doing better economically than NJ. Yet, somehow, Jaba the Governor remains blameless from you. Just face it, the guy sucks at his job.

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It should be no surprise that the most densely populated state in the union is suffering the Obama economy so badly. Of course, if all the previous administrations had put any money into the pension fund that Christie has been putting into, and the cozy relationship the unions (Corzine/Katz, anyone?) have had with politicians didn't cost so much, we'd be solvent.

And when Christie tries to remedy the situation without making our crippling level of taxation (and killing the economy further) worse he gets heat.

Go figure.

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Could it be a case of the people giving advice to christie jumping ship before it sinks!

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By Steve Benen

As if New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) didn?t have enough troubles, in the spring, political conditions for the scandal-plagued governor deteriorated further. New Jersey?s debt was downgraded for the sixth time since Christie took office, right around the time the governor scrapped his state pension-reform plan, once considered Christie?s ?landmark achievement.?

Late Friday afternoon, the news got just a little worse.
Wall Street analysts at Fitch Ratings today downgraded New Jersey?s bond rating for the second time this year, citing the state?s poor economic performance, Gov. Chris Christie?s rosy revenue forecasts ? which failed to materialize ? and his decision to plug the resulting budget gap by cutting $2.4 billion in funding for the state?s strained pension system. [?]

?New Jersey?s economic performance continues to lag that of the nation and a multitude of long-term spending demands are expected to prolong the achievement of sound financial operations,? the analysts wrote. Fitch is keeping a ?negative outlook? for New Jersey, meaning an upgrade of the state?s credit rating is unlikely.
This was the second time Fitch downgraded New Jersey?s debt, but the Garden State faced similar judgments from Moody?s Investors Service and Standard & Poor?s. All told, since Christie took office, New Jersey has faced seven downgrades ? and as the Star-Ledger?s report noted, that?s ?the most under any New Jersey governor.?

Of course, Christie has only been in office five years. Presumably he still has time to break his own record.

What?s more, as we talked about in May, it?s hard to even imagine what Christie will say when he launches his presidential campaign about his only experience in elected office. He can?t talk about his management skills, or his jobs record, or his fiscal record, or his legislative accomplishments ? and bluster does not a national campaign make.

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