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Re: Jersey City Warehouses Considered for Landmark Designation
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Does anyone know what the outcome was, after the last City Council meeting?
Have the buildings been landmarked?

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140 Bay - rehabilitated - full occupancy, retail and residential.

150 Bay - rehabilitated - residential, future retail and commercial occupancy

CitySide Archive - some commercial use - possibly moving more of their business back into this location. There is some noise coming out of the first floor (some kind of cleanup/construction going on).
Homeless will move back when the weather improves.

Powerhouse - colorfully boarded up awaiting next phase of project

Butler Brothers - owner/developer letting it rot with possible illegal tenants living in the Bay Street side of building.

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all other buildings in area are occupied with residential and commercial tenants.

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1. No, there is a mixture of light industry and residential use. 150 Bay Street has been partially converted and includes both residential on the upper floors and the self storage units on the lower floors. Other places have or have recently had commerical tenants. Some of the landlords have thrown their tenants out because they were expecting to either convert to residential or raze the buildings.

2. Not sure what you mean by massive 9$$$). Any change to the buildings, whether it would be a rehabilitation or demolition and replacement would be expensive. Large scale construction generally is.

3. The project has had it's fits and starts, like many large projects in Jersey City, particularly in this economy.



Which building has tossed out tenants?

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so is it fair to say that
1. no one is living or working in these warehouses as of today?
2. before anyone could live or work in these warehouses a massive ($$$) rehab job would have to be done, including environmental remediation
3. the powerhouse rehab has stalled


1. No, there is a mi...

2. Not sure what you mean by massive 9$$$). Any change to the buildings, whether it would be a rehabilitation or demolition and replacement would be expensive. Large scale construction generally is.

3. The project h....


Thank you for your response. I guess what I was getting at was massive taxpayer funded rehabilitation.

Does anyone out there have an inside line on the Powerhouse project - the last update on its website is from last summer.

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Toll Brothers project should be seeing signs of life - all lawsuits have ended.

140 Bay - rehabilitated - full occupancy, retail and residential.

150 Bay - rehabilitated - residential, future retail and commercial occupancy

CitySide Archive - some commercial use - possibly moving more of their business back into this location. There is some noise coming out of the first floor (some kind of cleanup/construction going on).
Homeless will move back when the weather improves.

Powerhouse - colorfully boarded up awaiting next phase of project

Butler Brothers - owner/developer letting it rot with possible illegal tenants living in the Bay Street side of building.

111 First - demolished - no progress - fail (Goldmann)
110 First - demolished - no progress - fail (Goldmann)
160 First Street failed to become anything - so empty lots prevail - no buildings to save or tear down

all other buildings in area are occupied with residential and commercial tenants.

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so is it fair to say that
1. no one is living or working in these warehouses as of today?
2. before anyone could live or work in these warehouses a massive ($$$) rehab job would have to be done, including environmental remediation
3. the powerhouse rehab has stalled


1. No, there is a mixture of light industry and residential use. 150 Bay Street has been partially converted and includes both residential on the upper floors and the self storage units on the lower floors. Other places have or have recently had commerical tenants. Some of the landlords have thrown their tenants out because they were expecting to either convert to residential or raze the buildings.

2. Not sure what you mean by massive 9$$$). Any change to the buildings, whether it would be a rehabilitation or demolition and replacement would be expensive. Large scale construction generally is.

3. The project has had it's fits and starts, like many large projects in Jersey City, particularly in this economy.

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About fifteen years ago the first proposal for 111 First Street surfaced. The plan called for keeping the existing warehouse and building a new tower on top of the structure. This proposal proved offensive to a coalition of preservationists despite the fact that the plan called for renovating and preserving most of the existing structure. After a series of lawsuits delaying the project, the developer gave up on the initial proposal and came back with a plan to raze the entire warehouse and build a new tower twice as tall as the original proposal. Again, preservationists were even more appalled and more lawsuits were filed and the city became involved spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on legal fees and again the project was delayed. Ultimately the developer won the right to demolish the warehouse. The only trouble was, the court proceedings took so long that when the warehouse finally came down the housing bubble had popped and the financing for new towers evaporated. So now 111 First Street is neither a historic warehouse nor is it a new tower. Instead its an empty fenced in lot. Well played.


This is a complete misstatement of the history of the work behind the preservation of the warehouse district and 111 First Street, but don't let that stop you.

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About fifteen years ago the first proposal for 111 First Street surfaced. The plan called for keeping the existing warehouse and building a new tower on top of the structure. This proposal proved offensive to a coalition of preservationists despite the fact that the plan called for renovating and preserving most of the existing structure. After a series of lawsuits delaying the project, the developer gave up on the initial proposal and came back with a plan to raze the entire warehouse and build a new tower twice as tall as the original proposal. Again, preservationists were even more appalled and more lawsuits were filed and the city became involved spending thousands of taxpayer dollars on legal fees and again the project was delayed. Ultimately the developer won the right to demolish the warehouse. The only trouble was, the court proceedings took so long that when the warehouse finally came down the housing bubble had popped and the financing for new towers evaporated. So now 111 First Street is neither a historic warehouse nor is it a new tower. Instead its an empty fenced in lot. Well played.

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I've lived in Jersey City since 1968. And the truth is there is neither public or private monies available to rehab those warehouses. I would much prefer to see development on the order of what's been done in Weehawken, West New York and Edgewater along the Hudson.

The idea of rehabbing the warehouses is an elitist's pipe dream.
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and how exactly are they useless. They are buildings that are still intact, with issues nonetheless(which can be fixed). Only someone who isn't from the city would want to see old architecture want to see it taken down. Every great and beautiful city has found a way to use their old buildings and change them into something great. Having these buildings gives us our own distinction and stops all the buildings of generic buildings being built, making the city worst than before.


I've lived in Jersey City since 1968. And the truth is there is neither public or private monies available to rehab those warehouses. I would much prefer to see development on the order of what's been done in Weehawken, West New York and Edgewater along the Hudson.

The idea of rehabbing the warehouses is an elitist's pipe dream.

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The St Lawrence market in Toronto is very popular. Equally nice and popular is the distillery district there. Although Toronto doesn't respect its history as much as it should based on some friends who live there, these are clear successes bringing much CA$$$. I don't know about the financing for these rehabs though, but it is clear that it is what is dragging people in. The destruction of the powerhouse historical content here would be a short-time influx of (most likely tax-abated) money but a loosing game to our local economy in the long term. What is probably refraining developers here is the lack of vision from city leaders but also the chance of running afoul of some unpredicted on-the-go standards.

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so is it fair to say that
1. no one is living or working in these warehouses as of today?
2. before anyone could live or work in these warehouses a massive ($$$) rehab job would have to be done, including environmental remediation
3. the powerhouse rehab has stalled

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+1.

I'm with chester. some of those buildings need work. but they really don't build them like that anymore. and you can't buy the character and sense of history they come bundled with. a treatment like the pratt street project on the powerhouse would change everything. with a little vision (and equal parts investment), downtown JC could become "that really cool city across the river" for thousands of people who are visiting NYC each year. of all the cities that sit across from manhattan, JC has the most usable space. and at this moment in time, a serious chance to redefine itself. or not.

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You can do just about anything with these old buildings, including the Powerhouse. I'd like to see them used for commercial reasons instead of putting up yet more condos which sit half empty for years. Performing arts spaces, small theatres, schools, farmers markets, food courts, breweries, JC Museum, office space, etc.

Some models to take ideas from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brisbane_Powerhouse

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Lawrence_Market_South

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pratt_Street_Power_Plant

The scale doesn't have to be as large as the above projects, but even a slimmed-down version of one of the above would be better than a Toll Brothers project.

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and how exactly are they useless. They are buildings that are still intact, with issues nonetheless(which can be fixed). Only someone who isn't from the city would want to see old architecture want to see it taken down. Every great and beautiful city has found a way to use their old buildings and change them into something great. Having these buildings gives us our own distinction and stops all the buildings of generic buildings being built, making the city worst than before.

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Please.... Historic until a Toll Bros. or Hovnanian decides a tear down is a better idea.

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Yes, let's insure that a group of aging, useless warehouses with dubious architectural, historical or civic value are preserved. Typical Jersey City.

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currently is there anything going on with these warehouses? I agree that they bring more to the neighboorhood than more glass towers... but are they usable? or would they require a powerhouse type total gut rehab
btw what is going on with the powerhouse?

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The City of Jersey City is considering creating a new historic district centered around a few century-old warehouses wedged between Marin and Washington boulevards on the waterfront. Read the article in The Jersey Journal:

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/jerse ... 29749551757791.xml&coll=3

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