Monroe wrote:
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WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
A guys gotta eat lunch, right?

Anyway, we learned today that the White House finally named the terror groups behind the Benghazi 9/11 attack, ending the nonsensically absurd 'video' narrative designed to shield Obama from political fallout and Mrs. Clinton's inaction over protecting our assets in Libya.

And the Daily News confirmed with interviewing the family of the 91 year old woman that she was dead on the floor of the bathroom and that the couple of minute delay caused by the traffic jam that Christie had nothing to do with had no effect.

It's irrelevant as to whether a person died or not because a corrupt act still took place.

And the people complicit in the corrupt act have been dealt with, which is what leaders do.

Vigilante wrote:
Not fit to serve.

CdeCoincy wrote:
What I learned from all of this is that I voted for a man who has a serious flaw in his personality, at least by my standards.

No one deliberately screwed up the rollout of Obamacare.

No one wanted Benghazi to happen.

I am particularly angry with myself because a close friend grew up with the Christie brothers and has told me all along that even as a child he was a vindictive bully. If I were a reporter, I'd go back to the 1970 and 1980 censuses and interview the people who were living near the Christie kids.

He has become an embarrassment to this state and to this country.

WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
A guys gotta eat lunch, right?

Anyway, we learned today that the White House finally named the terror groups behind the Benghazi 9/11 attack, ending the nonsensically absurd 'video' narrative designed to shield Obama from political fallout and Mrs. Clinton's inaction over protecting our assets in Libya.

And the Daily News confirmed with interviewing the family of the 91 year old woman that she was dead on the floor of the bathroom and that the couple of minute delay caused by the traffic jam that Christie had nothing to do with had no effect.

It's irrelevant as to whether a person died or not because a corrupt act still took place.

Monroe wrote:
A guys gotta eat lunch, right?

Anyway, we learned today that the White House finally named the terror groups behind the Benghazi 9/11 attack, ending the nonsensically absurd 'video' narrative designed to shield Obama from political fallout and Mrs. Clinton's inaction over protecting our assets in Libya.

And the Daily News confirmed with interviewing the family of the 91 year old woman that she was dead on the floor of the bathroom and that the couple of minute delay caused by the traffic jam that Christie had nothing to do with had no effect.

CdeCoincy wrote:
A little concerned that nothing has been posted here in 40 minutes - have all of Christie's Ganymedes been put down for a nap?

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Not at all, Pebs. I've never once said ignore it. Hell, I've even said he probably did it. What, at this point, does it really matter (sound familiar? Ok, ill quit the jabs). Like you've said as well, we can be annoyed at both.

What makes me laugh is that you attack every position of mine and Monroe's, yet never criticize any of the fools who "know for sure" he did it, yet as of today don't have one shred of proof at all.. Come on now....

nyrgravey9 wrote:
I don't bring up other issues to deflect from a current one. What I am saying is that, the American people and the media at large have a whacked out set of priorities on what they focus on. And that's the point behind the WSJ op/ed.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Let's take Obama and all of that out of this next point. The NSA issue alone should be front and center of every headlines for the foreseeable future. How it's not astounds me. Does it not bother anyone that the concept of privacy has, for better or worse, gone away completely? Every response I've ever seen to that issue is one of complacency and that scares the sh*t out of me.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Secondly, doesn't the idea that the IRS can be used for targeted political purposes (regardless of the side targeted) bother anyone as well? It's as if out of sight, out of mind on these two issues.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
These two issues are fundamental crimes against the freedom and privacy of the American people, in my humble assessment. They may not be crimes on paper (I don't know that), but they should be.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
But yet, we, and every media outlet in existence, are focusing on this non-story. THAT's why some of us bring these two things up. Many people play the "Well Bush did it, so Obama can do this" or "Clinton did it, so Bush can do XYZ", but that's not the case here. It's not to say "well these two stories happened, so Christie should get a pass" That's not it at all. It's not a tit-for-tat argument.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
In the grand scheme of things, this is truly a non-story, yet it's captured every headline out there, and will for a while, and that bothers me. Not because it's Christie, F Christie.

It's because the two issues I mentioned before (IRS, NSA) haven't been resolved and adequately addressed. Headline bandwidth is limited, and shouldn't be wasted on local garbage like this.

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, less than adequate attention because of a three minute delay? For all we know she was dead on the floor when the 911 call was placed.

In at least two of those instances, response time doubled, noted EMS coordinator Paul Favia, who documented those cases in a Sept. 10 letter to Mayor Mark Sokolich, which The Record obtained.
On Sept. 9, the first day of the traffic paralysis, EMS crews took seven to nine minutes to arrive at the scene of a vehicle accident where four people were injured, when the response time should have been less than four minutes, he wrote.
It also took EMS seven minutes to reach an unconscious 91-year-old woman who later died of cardiac arrest at a hospital. Although he did not say her death was directly caused by the delays, Favia noted that ?paramedics were delayed due to heavy traffic on Fort Lee Road and had to meet the ambulance en-route to the hospital instead of on the scene.?
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Delays in emergency response times continued the next morning when a call that should have taken three or four minutes to respond to took seven, Favia wrote. In that instance, a man was experiencing chest pains.

Pebble wrote:
I'm still confused... What the frack does Obama have to do with whether or not the governor of NJ is petty enough to shut down roads in a city because a mayor wouldn't support him?

If Christie is behind it, how can any reasonable person support him?

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Ahhh, if only there was there much fervor and citizen activism when there are real issues to be upset about. A boy can dream....

So the best thing to do is to ignore a blatantly corrupt and possibly criminal action...?

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Atsushi wrote:
Alternate Theory of Bridgegate Scandal:

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sh ... gate-scandal-111611971764

Rachel Maddow, lol.

For the eleven people who watch her-they weren't voting for Christie anyway, lol.

Monroe wrote:
You do know that the NYTimes is now nothing more than a waterboy for Mrs. Clinton, so no surprise they're doing just that in their opinion pieces. It's no surprise that their readership is dropping as fast as their importance in the media world. They stopped being the paper of record years ago, which is one reason why the NYTimes is in such dire financial straits.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/opi ... html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

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What makes Mr. Christie?s claim of victimhood hard to accept is his own history of vindictive behavior. For instance, a Rutgers professor lost financing for a project because he voted against the governor on a redistricting commission. A Republican colleague who had a disagreement with Mr. Christie was disinvited to an event in his own district. Mr. Christie has denied that he sent signals to his staff to punish anyone who crossed him. ?I am who I am, but I am not a bully,? he said Thursday. But he has set a tone that makes abusive actions acceptable.

Mr. Christie has promised to cooperate with investigators ? a vow he and his staff must honor. At this point, the governor has zero credibility. His office has abused its power, and only a full and conclusive investigation can restore public trust in his administration.

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, no one has said that the 91 year old woman died because of the 3 minute delay of the ambulance caused by the traffic jam that Christie had nothing to do with.

No one.

Nobody.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Vigilante, you just got schooled on every point, and you're response is "Well you hit all the Repub BS talking points. Good Boy."

Don't be so butthurt.

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, people are late to work all the time in NJ. Will it be Christie's fault when people are late because of fixing the Pulsaski Skyway this year? Saying 'people couldn't get to work'? Maybe they were a bit late? Yes, it was unfortunate-which is why Christie took action, that's what leader's do. And man'd up and apologized for the actions of rogue staffers. The mayor of Ft. Lee accepted the apology AND said he believed Christie's explanation.

The woman who died wasn't killed because of Christie. She was found in the bathroom after being there for an unknown amount of time by her daughter-who holds Christie blameless. That sums up that issue.

So the Mayor of Ft. Lee doesn't blame Governor Christie, and the family of the 91 year old woman who suffered a fatal heart attack doesn't blame Governor Christie. Pebble, though, is still on the chase like a beagle after a bunny.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Ahhh, if only there was there much fervor and citizen activism when there are real issues to be upset about. A boy can dream....

Monroe wrote:
It's always amusing to see the flaccid, silly personal attacks (drunk angry uncle at Thanksgiving, lol) emerge when you can't defend your position while having your fanny reddened by facts.

Again, the whole point of this thread is to see whether conegate will derail Governor Christie's POTUS aspirations. I think we can conclude that four days of traffic jams orchestrated without his knowledge isn't a big deal, compared to the exposure his likely opponent, Mrs. Clinton, has over the still unexplained Benghazi disaster-a problem that still hasn't been brought to the light of day.

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Pebble wrote:
I?ll look into the porn options available?

I'll give it to you, that was funny.

Monroe wrote:
Pebble, people are late to work all the time in NJ. Will it be Christie's fault when people are late because of fixing the Pulsaski Skyway this year?

Monroe wrote:
Saying 'people couldn't get to work'? Maybe they were a bit late?

Monroe wrote:
Yes, it was unfortunate-which is why Christie took action, that's what leader's do. And man'd up and apologized for the actions of rogue staffers. The mayor of Ft. Lee accepted the apology AND said he believed Christie's explanation.

Monroe wrote:
The woman who died wasn't killed because of Christie. She was found in the bathroom after being there for an unknown amount of time by her daughter-who holds Christie blameless. That sums up that issue.

Monroe wrote:
So the Mayor of Ft. Lee doesn't blame Governor Christie, and the family of the 91 year old woman who suffered a fatal heart attack doesn't blame Governor Christie. Pebble, though, is still on the chase like a beagle after a bunny.

Atsushi wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/opi ... html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

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What makes Mr. Christie?s claim of victimhood hard to accept is his own history of vindictive behavior. For instance, a Rutgers professor lost financing for a project because he voted against the governor on a redistricting commission. A Republican colleague who had a disagreement with Mr. Christie was disinvited to an event in his own district. Mr. Christie has denied that he sent signals to his staff to punish anyone who crossed him. ?I am who I am, but I am not a bully,? he said Thursday. But he has set a tone that makes abusive actions acceptable.

Mr. Christie has promised to cooperate with investigators ? a vow he and his staff must honor. At this point, the governor has zero credibility. His office has abused its power, and only a full and conclusive investigation can restore public trust in his administration.

Monroe wrote:
Again, the whole point of this thread is to see whether conegate will derail Governor Christie's POTUS aspirations. I think we can conclude that four days of traffic jams orchestrated without his knowledge isn't a big deal, compared to...

But the bigger concern for Christie going forward is not Democrats, but opponents in his own party.