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I think all responses to Yvonne should start and end with this phrase!
Posted on: 2014/8/9 21:10
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I think congestion pricing is a better way to go and would shift ridership to times when trains are not as crowded....
Posted on: 2014/8/9 20:53
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I see no need to patronize the willfully ignorant. There's a reason i declined to visit the crazy persons page, and she had amply demonstrated why that's a smart decision.
Hey crazy person, when you're wrong, you can't hide behind "don't call me names!" When you're suggesting physical impossibilities. The earth is not flat, you are not intelligent and your notions are wrong.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 20:41
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How about this Yvonne:
Assumed Facts: 1. the PATH system is currently at capacity: for the sake of argument, let's say 20 trains per hour during rush hour (I don't know what the real number is, this is only an example), and 2. there are no "spare" tracks in the PATH system (like the "dedicated" express tracks for the NYC subway) Following rules of logic, if the system is already at capacity with 20 trains, even if you add one more train (express or not), not all of those original 20 trains will be able to make it within the hour. Hence, someone will be delayed going to their work. ANd how can a train be "express" when it still needs to wait for all trains ahead of it to do their regular stops? Yes, it may not open its doors to let people in/out, but it still needs to wait (for previous local trains to do that) - since there's no skipping ("leapfrong") trains because there are NO SPARE TRACKS for those "express" trains to travel on??? In this case, if a local train takes 30 minutes to go from JSQ to WTC, it will take the express train the same time - because it's stuck behind the local train!!! It's obvious that you're preaching to the wrong choir here.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 18:32
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Thinking rationally means not calling people names. So I think you were not listening.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 17:55
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Unlike your parents, mine taught me manners AND how to think rationally. You keep comparing your "idea" to NYC buses and subways. What's SO HARD to understand about the fact that express subways in NYC run on a separate track from the regular (local) subways? As for buses, isn't it obvious??? The ride on the street, so they can "leapfrog" other buses, as needed. So, an express bus that is running on a given avenue will skip some stops, and make others, but whenever it is skipping stops, it simply moves one lane over and it isn't held back by the buses making all stops. Goodness, you ARE dense.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 17:51
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God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference. Living one day at a time; enjoying one moment at a time; accepting hardships as the pathway to peace; taking, as He did, this sinful world as it is, not as I would have it; trusting that He will make all things right if I surrender to His Will; that I may be reasonably happy in this life and supremely happy with Him forever in the next. Amen.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 17:45
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Didn't your parents teach you manners? You don't win friends by calling people dense. But then again, you hide behind a phony name to protect yourself. If my idea is wrong, then every bus in NYC who runs express and skips stations is wrong. They skip areas and only go to certain spots which gets passengers on the bus by avoiding the typical bus stops. Without the skipping the bus would be too compact with riders. It also makes the bus go faster. I am sure if we skip stations and do not pick up passengers, we would see similar benefits.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 16:26
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Why are you being SO DENSE? You can NOT implement an "express" system on the PATH because there are no alternate tracks on which these trains could run. So, your fictional Marion train would skip JSQ and stop at Grove, but how does it go AROUND the JSQ train? It CAN'T. And the JSQ train skipping Grove stopping at Pavonia, how does it then skip the previous train that left Grove on its way to Christopher Street?? There is no way for it to sidestep that train. Simply put, this half-baked idea is exactly that: useless and unworkable.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 14:18
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Auggie Torres column in an interview with Fulop. The mayor talks about 25,000 new units down the pipeline with 75,000 potential residents in JC. We need this Marion station.
http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2 ... a_visit.html#incart_river
Posted on: 2014/8/9 12:51
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No it doesn't. This has been explained. As people are watching a train bypass the station and keep waiting for another train, more and more people will come down the stairs and make the platform even more crowded. The train will still be crowded!
Posted on: 2014/8/9 3:07
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It feels playing Whac-A-Mole. I think I'd have a better shot at talking sense into those f*ckers riding their bikes on the sidewalks Downtown.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 2:18
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I am truly enjoying seeing the crazy lady try and explain how you can simply shove more ball bearings down a pipe and thus, you'd have better running ball bearings because they aren't stopping at every section along the pipe!
Posted on: 2014/8/9 1:58
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PATH can't run more trains because there is one track and it is at capacity.
It's not half full vs half empty it is basic, simple, grade school math. At some point you'll figure it out and feel a bit silly for even discussing it. There is one train line, one destination and no ability to run more trains. You could add 150 new stations and it would not help the crowding because you are not adding capacity, you are adding stops. I'm sure you'll try to explain again why 1+1 does not equal two, but you will still be mistaken. I won't respond to that, it will not be because you have a good point it will be because I can feel myself getting dumber while having this discussion.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 1:39
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I want to go back and address your comment more directly. The riders at Mana Arts, 25 Senate, Canco and Brunswick will probably take the train at Marion which will lessen the passenger load at Journal Square. If PATH makes an investment in more trains and run them more frequently, riders at Grove Street will not have the onslaught of the Journal Square which consists of Bayonne and the rest of Jersey City (Lafayette, Greenville, etc.). Likewise Pavonia/Newport riders will not have to deal with Grove riders. I guess I see the glass half full while you see the glass half empty. This is doable.
Posted on: 2014/8/9 0:43
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The Harrison station is a completely different animal. We're talking platform a few feet above grade like on Broad Channel in Queens. No frills. Platform and a sign. PA'S Samson was the force behind Harrison station and the contract was steered to his friend. $256 mil totally inflated. The watchdogs are out & the PA knows it...No more Calatravasaurus stuff. In fact public opinion is rising against this skeletal monstrosity. The PA is on high alert that the feds are watching them because of the Christie/Samson fandango.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 23:55
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If one train at Grove is less crowded it means the next is even more crowded because: math. The same thing I said about NYC applies here. The same amount of trains through Grove, the same amount of people traveling in that direction means the same amount of crowding. It doesn't matter if you split where they load if they are all going to the same place.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 23:25
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If the Marion station weren't contingent upon having this ridiculous hop-skip scheme, I'd say let's take a serious look at it.
Upside: big plus for Mana, Canco, other property owners/developers in that neighborhood - not a bad thing at all. Big plus for homeowners in that area... although some renters would be priced out of the neighborhood. Downside: 1) a minute or two longer ride on the Newark - WTC line - so the trains can slow down, stop, and speed up again. Not a big deal, really. 2) the cost of building the station, and upkeep. Yvonne thinks these costs would be trivial. Revamping the Harrison station was budgeted at $256 million. Building a new station from scratch... gotta be quite a bit more than that. Perhaps double - or more? I'd love to get an opinion from someone with expertise in this area. Does Mana have the political muscle to foist those costs onto PA's other customers? (bridge & tunnel toll payers, the airports) Or does the system itself absorb the cost? Meaning higher fares, or less frequent service, or both. If you compare this proposal to the plan to extend PATH to Newark Airport, you should see what I'm talking about. If PA can build that extension, it would be a great selling point for their real estate holdings in lower Manhattan. They'd be willing to absorb those costs in other parts of their budget to make it happen. If PA had lots of real estate holdings in Marion, this would be a no brainer. If that's not the case, Mana et al will probably have to grease PA the the max $$$ to make it happen, and the other users of the PATH system would end up picking up the tab.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 23:02
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It means people at Grove can at least get on a train. Granted the PATH needs to make an investment in acquiring more trains. In Fulop's letter on development he mention most of the 17,000 future units are not on line yet. I believe he mention 1,800 are in progress. PATH and the city must address this. This is my solution. Personally, the PATH is so crowded, it is at the point I do not want to take the train. Awhile back a friend told me she got on the train at Grove but got off at Christopher, she couldn't breathe. She just sat on the platform at Christopher because she was too weak from the lack of air. She nearly fainted on the train.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 22:38
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It's only complicated to you as you cannot seem to grasp an elementary concept. Your plan does not add any overall frequency to the schedule (the same amount of trains per hour arrive in NYC) therefore it is simply impossible that it adds capacity.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 21:55
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If the buses had to come back the same way they went in then there would be a major traffic jam. That's the rub for the PATH trains plain and simple.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 21:44
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It will work but again you make it complicated. The train from Marion goes to Journal Square but does not stop as some work trains do not stop. They are on the trains but do not stop, this train does directly to Grove. The next from Harrison do not stop at Marion but goes to Journal Square but does not stop at Grove, it continues on to Pavonia/Newport. Again, you make things complicated. The idea is to allow riders to enter the train because it becomes crowded from Newark, Harrison, Bayonne and the rest of Jersey City. I have seen buses in NYC not stop at regular stops, they are called express buses. NYC does not create extra roads for the express buses. It does not stop on certain blocks. This is the same.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 21:21
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The problem, as mentioned many times before, is that the PATH trains into 33rd Street are not on a loop. What goes in must come out on the same line which causes other trains to have to wait while the station is cleared. If it were a loop it would be much easier to add trains but for now they would only just pile up and creak along in the tunnels.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 21:06
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You just don't stop at that station, the next train will. By the way, many times I have seen trains from Harrison arrive in Journal Square but do not stop. They whistle on the platform letting riders know they will not stop. For some reason, something that is simple becomes complicated on jclist.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 20:39
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Yes in NY they have multiple tracks so it makes sense. Because you can run more trains by skipping stops when you have the ability to pass a slower/stopped train. You can't do that on a single line. You can't disagree with math. Unless your additional stop is going to reduce overall traffic going to NYC the same amount of people wind up in NY, they just have a new station to start at. Same amount of people. Same amount of trains = same amount of people / train. This is basic stuff, it is no wonder people are getting frustrated trying to explain it.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 20:29
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So if someone disagrees with you 29, you become a bully. This is done in NYC all the time, stations are bypass including bus routes.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 19:20
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Are you brain dead? The math has been laid out for you several times. Your bonkers opinion does not undo concrete math.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 19:18
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That is not true, you would be carrying passengers from Harrison and Newark, but the not the passengers from Bayonne and the rest of Jersey City who uses the Journal Square station. Just wait unit the 3 monster buildings, the KRE development gets on line in 2016. How do you think downtown riders are able to get on the train? Yes, there will be some additional riders from Marion but nothing compared to Journal Square. It is the reason I suggested the Journal Square train skipped Grove and go to Pavonia/Newport.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 18:34
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The PA is an extremely corrupt agency. But I am for the adding of more stations in underdeveloped areas. It will just bring more yuppies and ratables which is a good thing.
Skipping stations though is stupid. Re: EWR, it will save JC residents the NJT ticket and hassle. Wouldn't be my first priority either, but you'll probably see more tourists spending time in JC as a result.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 18:33
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This. You can't really work a skip stop solution on a single track. You would be carrying the same number of people on the same number of trains to the same destination over the same period of time. Simple math says the trains are just as crowded.
Posted on: 2014/8/8 16:49
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