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Re: Summer's Over, But is the Crime Wave?
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Personally I dont care about democrat or republican. i do care that the mayor seems totally out of touch with the facts. The facts show there has been almost no improvement in the crime figures in JC over the past 18 months, despite considerable spending (+25% or so) and he has the nerve to stand up in the local press and claim things are better.

Now go to www.njjcpd.org, look at the published stats, and tell me my +25% increase in police funding is well spent.

Posted on: 2007/8/31 5:08
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Re: Summer's Over, But is the Crime Wave?
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Compare JC to anywhere close. We got the highest personal crime rate...even compared to Newark.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneym ... /snapshots/PL3436000.html

Interesting too that we have 1000+ police officers, that average under 1 arrests per MONTH!!!

http://www.njjcpd.org/

We recently increased the number of police (+25% i think) as part of the supposed crackdown on crime. Look at the stats on the JCPD website. Despite the political spin and the increased funding - I see no real difference.

As a taxpayer i'd like to know wtf is going on.

Posted on: 2007/8/30 5:13
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Re: MANZO: SEND IN GUARD -- Not solution to gangs, Healy says
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Quote:

"We are not a city under siege," Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy said in a statement. "In fact, crime has dropped steadily here the last 18 months."



Not according to the JCPD's own stats. Looks like there's been no overall change, except for the "pre-election" dip:

http://jclist.com/modules/xcgal/displ ... random&cat=13190&pos=-746

Posted on: 2007/8/28 20:19
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Re: JC Crime up HUGELY: 46% since Q1 2007! AKA - Stop using stats to fool us during elections
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Quote:

redd5 wrote:
statistics are great, but they're often misleading. it doesn't seem so horrible to me, that crime stats stayed the same for a particular month, year to year. but If they went way up, or down, that could be something interesting.


These are horrible to me when the City uses crime stats to manipulate elections. See the thread back in Q1 when they were looking for votes. Then tell me this was an improvement year-on-year and not just a cynical tactic to win votes.

http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... e=&topic_id=9305&forum=10

Posted on: 2007/8/28 4:51
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Re: Terror grant for Hudson not enough, DeGise says
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So the funds will be used to communicate there has been an incident, clean up the mess and treat the victims? What about prevention and damage limitation? As with most things (flooding, crime & safety, etc) the city and state focuses on mopping up. What a totally fuked-up way of dealing with things.

Posted on: 2007/8/27 7:30
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Re: JC Crime up HUGELY: 46% since Q1 2007! AKA - Stop using stats to fool us during elections
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Look at the stats for Jun and Jul 2007 versus 2006. Very little improvement, if any, year on year. Perhaps violent crime is down marginally. Personal and property crime up. If there was any real improvement, it should be obvious. According to the stats, there is ZERO improvement. Can we take back all those kudos we gave to the City back in March and April? Can we take back our votes? No. But we can be damn sure we can hold the city to account now and try to make sure they don't manipulate the numbers during the next election.

Posted on: 2007/8/27 6:34
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JC Crime up HUGELY: 46% since Q1 2007! AKA - Stop using stats to fool us during elections
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Ok - the politicians made a big stink about reduced crime stats last elections in Q1 2007.

According to JC stats, crime is HUGELY up. 46% up March versus Jul 2007 and ZERO improvement since Jul 2006.

The guys in power got a lot of credibility at the start of the year for reducing crime, but in reality you just have fooled us - just electioneering IMO. Fool us once, shame on us...

http://www.njjcpd.org/

Posted on: 2007/8/27 6:11
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Re: Burglary 8th Street Hamilton Park
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Sooo wrong on many levels...but lmfao :)

Posted on: 2007/8/11 12:55
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Re: Downtown Jersey City Watch-Updates Thread
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Quote:

tern wrote:
Going back in this thread a litlle, can anyone explain how someone can tell whether I am home or not from my wireless network?

Robin.


http://www.wardrive.net/wardriving/faq

Posted on: 2007/7/8 9:36
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Re: JC Municipal Utilities Authority - history of mismanagement
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Mia - thanks for a very enlightening video. I think that Steve is running with this, but needs our support. Aside from the the legal options, what else can we do to pressure for action?

Posted on: 2007/6/18 4:49
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Re: So much for all of you folks who predicted a JC/NYC RE Crash
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Market forces not logic will decide. My bet, downtown JC prices will double over the next 3-4 years.

Posted on: 2007/6/14 9:55
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Re: Downtown Jersey City Watch-Updates Thread
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Quote:

soshin wrote:
Quote:

nugnfutz wrote:

2. I had a wireless lan that people outside the residence could use to detect activity. (Your wireless lan not only tells people that you're likely to have tech goodies, but can also indicate whether ur at home on not to a tech-savvy burglar).

Worth posting similar patterns/experiences if u have them.


I doubt this is really relavent, maybe if your burglar was James Bond yes, but not Timmy the crackhead.

Firstly, how would someone know where the wireless signal was originating in an area as squashed together as Downtown JC? and then be able to break your encryption, unless of course you don't have your encryption turned on which is kinda stupid in a built up area.

If you are not encrypted, don't go posting your credit card details on that wireless LAN anytime soon. FYI


How would someone know? Drive by any house using any wifi detector you can pick up from staples for $30 or so. Encryption? They don't need to care about encryption, just the signal strength and whether anyone is home. And with a lil more sophistication they can probably tell that too even if your signal is encrypted. They just need to tell whether packets are moving.

Timmy the crackhead? These guys go after your top-end electronics and are pretty discerning about what they take and what they leave.

If you choose to believe that the folks committing these crimes are simple opportunistic idiots, then you're not likely to find them. These guys know what they're looking for, and if they have that much intelligence, at least credit them with having done their homework.

Heck, the car thieves know where to punch a hole in your car door with a screwdriver to make the car think it's involved in a crash and "fail-open" - unlocking your trunk, doors and rolling down your windows. James effing Bond :)
What makes you think house burglars are less smart?

Posted on: 2007/6/14 8:01
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Re: Attorney for Jersey City charged with beating and choking his domestic violence counselor girlfriend
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Wow!

I don't know enough about the facts to really comment, but:

1. A domestic violence councillor
AND
2. A City-employed lawyer

Wow!

This feeds the perception that you gotta be a perp or victim to get a City job.

Posted on: 2007/6/14 7:41
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Re: Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy to be chairman of Hudson County Democratic Organization.
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Aside from the comedy and the machine, Healy's making real positive impacts in JC. What am i missing?

Posted on: 2007/6/13 6:18
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Re: So much for all of you folks who predicted a JC/NYC RE Crash
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Research London, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Paris....prime markets everywhere in fact...you cannot buy real estate at NJ waterfront prices so close to a major city anywhere else in the world. Areas within a short commute of Manhattan are still grossly undervalued compared to other major capital cities. Heck sell - the only reason why international buyers aren't breaking down doors in the NY area atm is US foreign policy. You want a huge increase in your RE investment - buy JC/Brooklyn/Weehawken/Bayonne and even Hoboken. Might need to wait a few years - but seriously though, this RE bubble hasn't even started.

Posted on: 2007/6/13 5:53
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Re: Village Idiot Gun Shop announces special sale
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Two quotes from the JJ:

"He said the pair looked familiar and may have been in the store recently to case it"

AND

"Murray said the gun case was unlocked because he was making new labels for the guns"

Sooooo....they cased the joint earlier when the gun case was locked, but figured a simple "buy-a-paintball-gun" scam would work? Meh. Or more likely the gun case was unlocked the first time they cased the joint.

Posted on: 2007/6/13 3:41
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Results
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Quote:

RABBITRABBIT wrote:
Quote:

piglet wrote:
Hey, I forgot who said that the VV dog run doesn't stink. It does! I went by there the other day, when it was hot and humid and it smelled horribly....like urine and poop. I don't know what you people were talking about?


it was I who first mentioned the stink and all these do-gooders told me that i was crazy and that I should be nicer. we;;, being nice doesn't diminish that the park smells like a litter box on a hot day. Thnaks fior the vote of confidence. (Hear that parkie? The absorbant Turkish gravel FAILED!)


ppl with their heads up their butts smell nothing else.

Posted on: 2007/6/12 4:23
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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Quote:

G_Elkind wrote:
4bailey:

A personal observation and a most-important correction:

Personal Observation:
The vote was what it was based on the choices provided.

I can't say the choices presented in this referendum were the perfect choices or even the best choices, however, these were the choices the city asked us to vote on based upon the recommendations of the professionals they hired for this purpose. (I often find myself saying something similar in many respects regarding the choices we face when voting in any of our municipal, state or federal elections.)

To speculate that the outcome was merely a "mommie" vote generated out of some unspecified "fear" or "security" concern sounds more like "blame" than it does sour grapes. Personally, I find this type of analysis to be more divisive than you may have found the choices themselves.

I could easily speculate alternative rationals for why the vote turned out the way it did that have nothing to do with a mommie vote or the dog run design. But such speculation does little to help move the conversation forward in a positive manner.

As has been mentioned here before, a final detailed plan will have to produced by the city architects.

There will be plenty of opportunity for additional input on specific design elements details to achieve an acceptable outcome for everyone. So rather than look backwards, I would hope you would look forward and participate actively in this important, next stage of developing the final park plan.

A Correction
As to the choices, the target of your criticism is misdirected.

The HPNA did NOT design the choices appearing on the ballot. Those choices presented by the city were those provided by the architects they hired - Schoor DePalma.

Quote:

Final Ballot Notes
This ballot is intended to gather the community?s views on the four concept plans presented by Schoor DePalma to the City of Jersey City. Please keep in mind that these four designs are concept plans, intended to address amenity inclusion and general location only. Details such as the size and shape of any amenity are flexible and are subject to revision after the ballot when the final construction plans are drawn.

http://hamiltonpark.org/ballot4/june9ballot.html


Rather than assigning blame, it's time for everyone to come together constructively and help finalize a park plan that works for everyone. I see that process happening as we speak and I am not discouraged by the outcome of the vote.

All the best.

Geoff


I've been very vocal in support of the dog run as people on this thread know. Let's not wheel out the flawed vote argument again. I think every person on this thread understands what the vote represented. From what i understand from Councellor Fulop's remarks, dog owners can still influence the final deslgns. Let's be constructive and work with that.

Worst case - if the city decides to force a dog-park in size and location that no dog owners want....well...we simply post signs on it and boycott it. Thats not going to happen if we work together for improvements to the design voted on.

Posted on: 2007/6/12 4:09
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Results
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Quote:

piglet wrote:
Hey, I forgot who said that the VV dog run doesn't stink. It does! I went by there the other day, when it was hot and humid and it smelled horribly....like urine and poop. I don't know what you people were talking about?


Piglet - if you really mean to present a case - can you provide some facts. Then also provide some possible solutions to what you perceive to be the issue. Constantly stating that you can smell pee and poop is fairly meaningless. Heck I puke when i smell diapers. Ban the diapers in the park?

Posted on: 2007/6/11 5:16
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Results
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Quote:

Annod wrote:
How does the number of voters here compare to the number of voters in the primary in Hamilton Park?


Compared to previous ballots on the park...this turnout is huge - 2.5 to 3 times previous ballots as far as I can tell. It shows the strength of support for renovation. This is a huge success for Hamilton Park. Thanks to everyone: the organizers...the community...and the people that came out and voted.

The overriding issue for the community is keeping a single contiguous childrens play area. No surprise there. This was the top of the list on previous votes. To me, everything about Concept D, except for the dog runs, was better than the other designs. Concept D incorporated all the feedback from the community over a period of 6 months and got 51% of the vote. To me this says we're getting closer, but half the park users want something better. Do we move forward and disenfranchise the other 49%? I think we as a community can do better. My comments below address the dog run issues. I'm sure there are other improvements we can recommend.

Parkman - my thoughts on any ad-hoc dog-run respresentation:

- Square footage is a high priority for the dog run to prevent stressed out dogs, stressed out owners and risk to kids and other park users.
- entrances to dog-run and kids areas should be segregated as far apart as possible.
- noise cancelling measures (bushes, fences, etc) for the dog park should not endanger dog owners - in winter months dog owners are the only real park users.
- adequate shade and water is needed for the dogs and seating for the owners.
- i fully support the VVP set of byelaws on dog-run usage
- i'd like to see a NO DOG TOYS rule. A lot of features inside the run could help make toys unnecessary - landscaping, water play areas, cooling mist spays, hoses, obstacles for running around....

We've voted....let's back the vote, and make this the best park it can be for all park users.

Posted on: 2007/6/10 8:02
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Re: Transportation Study-Updates
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Quote:

BrightMoment wrote:
Below is the .pdf of the HPNA letter submitted today into public record in response to the Draft Report of the Jersey City Regional Waterfront Access and Downtown Circulation Study. For more information on this study and the four proposed concept plans, please visit http://www.downtownjcras.com .

Special thanks to Jon Gellman for attending the Tuesday morning Steering Committee city meetings regarding this issue, and to all community members who have spoken out against the proposed 11th Street Viaduct that threatens our neighborhood.

Hope to see everyone at tomorrow's annual June festival in Hamilton Park!
- Jen Greely
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Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association
Est. 1977

June 8, 2007
Re: Jersey City Regional Waterfront Access And Downtown Circulation Study

To Whom It May Concern:

For the past 30 years, the Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association (HPNA) has been active in community affairs affecting the Hamilton Park neighborhood of Downtown Jersey City. The Hamilton Park neighborhood is bounded by Marin Boulevard to the east, Division Street to the west, 12th Street to the north, and 6th street to the south. With
around 100 dues-paying members and well-attended monthly public meetings, the HPNA takes seriously its role as a community sounding board and activist group for local issues.

As such, the HPNA participated in the 2007 meetings of the Steering Committee for the Jersey City Regional Waterfront Access and Downtown Circulation Study. It is extremely unfortunate that these meetings were held at 8:30 am on weekday mornings, making it very difficult for the HPNA to attend more meetings. As it was, our single representative had to take personal time from work in order to be briefed on these very important issues. The following summarizes concerns raised by residents of the Hamilton Park neighborhood as well as the unanimous consensus reached by voting dues-paying members of the HPNA at our May General Membership meeting.

Concept 1: Jersey Avenue Extension to Audrey Zapp Drive

The Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association supports the construction of an emergency vehicle-access single lane road with bicycle access between Liberty State Park and Jersey Avenue. We strongly oppose the construction of a two-lane general traffic road.

Building the Jersey Avenue Extension would permit yet more cars to enter Downtown Jersey City at a particularly vulnerable location. Jersey Avenue and Grand Street is a
highly trafficked intersection for children traveling to and from two schools as well as a primary hospital for Jersey City. The flawed scoring model in the Draft Report does not
adequately provide for safety concerns of pedestrian schoolchildren making their way to class or emergency vehicles making their way to the hospital at the same time as the a.m. rush traffic period.

In addition, the construction of a Jersey Avenue Extension general access road would permit commuters to exit the New Jersey Turnpike and cut through Liberty State Park as
an attempted shortcut before reaching the Grand Street Exit, disrupting the peaceful nature of the open green space that is our local treasure in Liberty State Park. It would also permit commuters in cars to attempt access to the Holland Tunnel or Hoboken through the small, local streets of several historic districts. Already there are unsafe levels of commuter traffic along the historic streets of Erie and Monmouth, to which the Jersey Avenue Extension would undoubtedly worsen.

Concept 2: Center/Merseles Structure over Montgomery Street

The Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association supports the construction of this revised Christopher Columbus exit off the New Jersey Turnpike. This structure would make for a safer exit from the Turnpike by avoiding cross-traffic and pedestrian traffic at Montgomery Street. We encourage planners to consider this Concept and in doing so, make every effort to maintain a safe pedestrian environment with alternative pedestrian means for those traveling on foot and by bicycle.

Concept 3: Merseles/Wilson/Aetna Street Extensions

The Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association opposes Concept 3. Although it might facilitate traffic flow in those few blocks, the additional traffic burden on neighboring streets that are not designed to support such congestion is detrimental to the overall community.

Concept 4: 11th Street Viaduct

The Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association vehemently opposes the construction of an elevated viaduct along 11th Street. This elevated highway would purportedly allow direct
access for cars exiting the New Jersey Turnpike to the Newport waterfront area of Jersey City in an effort to decrease congestion on other local streets. In doing so, it would also introduce an elevated highway to a quiet, historic neighborhood of brownstone-lined streets surrounding an historic park. The neighborhood would bear no direct benefit, yet would bear all the burden of having a highway cut through its quiet streets. Air quality and noise issues notwithstanding, the aesthetic disharmony introduced by constructing a highway through a 140-year old historic neighborhood is of grave concern.

Furthermore, this elevated viaduct would cut directly over the corner of Enos Jones Park on Brunswick Avenue. This infringes not only on the limited amount of green space available to Downtown Jersey City residents, but also raises safety concerns related to litter and exhaust fumes polluting the open space in and around the park itself. Residents of new-construction buildings along 10th Street also face the reality of having their views altered to look out on a highway passing directly outside their windows. Unfortunately, the model used for scoring the proposed traffic projects in the Draft Report does not address these vital quality of life issues at all. This flawed scoring model leads to an unbalanced evaluation score that does not reflect the burden borne by the Hamilton Park neighborhood should the 11th Street Viaduct become a reality.

At a time when neighboring metropolitan areas such as New York City are exploring ways of reducing vehicle congestion through innovative means such as congestion-use taxes and improved or extended public transportation, it is sad and counter-intuitive to build something as extensive as an elevated viaduct through an historic neighborhood to commuters in private vehicles. The Newport Waterfront area is already served by several means of public transportation, including a PATH station, a
New Jersey Transit Light Rail stop, ferry service, and numerous bus lines. Public funds should be spent on improving these existing modes of public transportation into an already thriving business community, not constructing an elevated viaduct for additional commuter traffic that ultimately threatens the safety and harmony of a quaint historic district of Downtown Jersey City.

Additional Thoughts

In addition to the aforementioned Concepts, the Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association supports the extended use and construction of bicycle lanes and improved pedestrian traffic signals, in addition to smart-growth plans for parking ratios throughout the Downtown area.

In order to curb the tide of commuter vehicle traffic speeding through the historic districts we also encourage planners to explore the possibility of alternate one-way sets of blocks on streets that are heavily traveled at high speeds. This method of having three or four blocks designated one-way north, then or four blocks designated one-way south along the same street (such as Monmouth Street, Coles Street, or Erie Street, all of which have serious problems with excessive commuter traffic) has been implemented in neighboring Hoboken with great success. It frustrates commuters trying to snake through downtown in order to avoid Holland Tunnel traffic and slows the flow of regular traffic through the historic neighborhoods, making it safer for drivers, bicyclists, and pedestrians.

The Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association and extended Hamilton Park community appreciates your consideration of our neighborhood views. We look forward to the opportunity to work further on helping to develop these plans in the coming years.

Sincerely,
Jennifer Z. Greely
President, Hamilton Park Neighborhood Association
Email: hpnajc@gmail.com
Website: www.hamiltonpark.org
Blog: http://hamiltonpark.blogspot.com


To the HPNA thoughts I'd add:

The 11th Street viaduct is a white elephant. Cars on the turnpike can see the back-up. If the back-up is past the proposed the 11th street exit, they're going to get off at Montgomery anyway. If it's not, there's little benefit between getting off at new viaduct against the existing Jersey Ave exit.

There also needs to be the following trafiic calming measures:
1. Clear "YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS" signs, road markings, and strips at all intersections near parks, churches and schools. Willow Ave in Hoboken is a great example that should be copied.
2. Real traffic police presence on the "cut-throughs" used during peak hours. I'd like to see real fines handed out on streets from Manila thru Brunswick during school hours - there are far too many speeders and dangerous drivers cutting through the district.

Posted on: 2007/6/9 6:33
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Re: Bolden Cunningham wins state senate seat
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Quote:

Ross_Ewage wrote:

....That's just politics.....


Imo thats manipulating the vote. The other thing that just boggles my mind is why we cant vote online? Or thru our cellphones? Why does it have to be lowest common denominator? Why not let people vote whatever way is easiest for them? Make it easy, more people will vote.

Posted on: 2007/6/6 4:56
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Re: Bolden Cunningham wins state senate seat
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Nope. I'd ask why the JCPD decided to play politics a couple of days before the vote. While we all agreed the reduced crime stats were welcome...it was the equivalent of exploding the Madrid bomb right before the vote.

Were people suckered by this? Are people suckered by the road repairs before local votes? I cannot believe that we allow such vote engineering, certainly not from pubicly employed officials.

Posted on: 2007/6/6 3:54
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Re: Downtown Jersey City Watch-Updates Thread
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Being a victim of burglary myself, I have a couple of personal theories on this:

1. I had a recent visit from a local cable service engineer.
2. I had a wireless lan that people outside the residence could use to detect activity. (Your wireless lan not only tells people that you're likely to have tech goodies, but can also indicate whether ur at home on not to a tech-savvy burglar).

Worth posting similar patterns/experiences if u have them.

Posted on: 2007/6/5 6:27
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Re: Jersey City states crime is down
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Ok JC, crime is down. We hear you, Healy, Comey and co. good job guys, let's keep it that way. Now lets take it a step further. Let us know what steps you're taking in advance of the statistics. Ez to take credit and delegate blame. Let us hear your policies clearly up front so we can really judge the results of your policies.

And can we get away from the near comical Downtown JC's robberies and muggings happening on the police's doorstep? I can't get the Keystone Cops picture out of my head every time i hear of another mugging and robbery within a block or 2 of the police stations. Not comical to the victims, and your stats mean little to those getting robbed.

Posted on: 2007/6/4 4:49
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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Quote:

BrightMoment wrote:
Nice thoughtful post lunawolf3.

My only question is what option do you recommend we vote for in this ballot?



...as a number of us have pointed out multiple times...the vote is MEANINGLESS. Whatever "concept" wins, no-one can really derive any meaning to the vote...or worse...can derive any meaning they like.

My take...sack these idiot designers and lets get in a group that really listen to the community, give us real choices, and DONT EFFING GIVE US ONE UPDATED DIAGRAM EVERY 3 MONTHS. THIS DESIGN FIRM ARE TOTAL MORONS AND ARE A COMPLETE WASTE OF OUR TIME. Heck - I'm sure Brewster coulda done better with his auto-cad.

Posted on: 2007/6/1 3:33
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Re: June 5th Primary Election - Steven Fulop
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Cunningham - "lets solve crime by giving people jobs"
Manzo - "lets cut property tax and fund schools by taxing the rich"

Not sure who appeals more to the trendy-lefty-pinko-liberal-idiot vote. Tough call Steve.

Posted on: 2007/5/31 6:43
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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....or i might add...one late evening rape or mugging in the sound-proofed and hidden "concept D" dog-run.

Posted on: 2007/5/31 5:52
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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Quote:

brewster wrote:
They were given a copy of the HPNA survey report, and included in their designs most of the features we said we wanted. Except a 2 tennis court run. How much clearer do you need?


You're inferring intent to support your postion rather than basing anything on fact. Like a lot of your posts on this topic.

Quote:

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"Opt-out" is not a legitimate alternative, not least because when there's a dog run community tolerance of dogs off leash will escalate.


Again, you're inferring that the JCPD and the community will actually start enforcing leash laws with zero evidence. Possibly the reverse...people may recognise the dog run itself is dangerously overcrowded and will tolerate off-leash dogs in other areas of the park. It just takes a few dogs or owners to get mauled in the dog run....or one kid on the way to it.

Plus i'm not opting out. Ever hear of "devils advocate"?

Posted on: 2007/5/31 3:10
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Re: Hamilton Park Renovation - Meeting Dates
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Quote:

brewster wrote:

Sweet. After all your careful analysis of the tort risks of walking a leashed dog past a fenced playground, you're going to turn yours loose wherever. Keep your liability insurance paid up.

Look, the city's designers clearly disagree with the size of the dog run we voted for, and we got half in every design. Let's work to expand the run what we can in whatever design is picked rather than make destructive "opt out" comments like you have.


1. More risk of dog fights in an overcrowded dog park than outside - and i'm still liable if my dog even accidently bites someone or another dog inside the dog run. Less risk if i keep my dogs away from the dog run and the kids play areas. And perversely, outside the dog run, if the City doesn't enforce leash laws, i might actually have a defense.

2. The city's designers didn't clearly agree or disagree with the size of the dog run. Disingenious statements like that don't help the discussion neither.

My opt-out just reflects my fustration with the meaningless vote. Destructive? Mebbie. Table an alternative.

Posted on: 2007/5/30 11:42
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