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Re: NYTIMES: STINKs (Stupid Twit Income Not Known) Makes Developers Smile
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My issue is not with women but with trust funders in denial.


If your problem was with trust-funders and not women you should have written "Stupid Trust-Funder Income Not Known."

The only thing this alleged trust-funder may be in denial about is thinking that Jersey City is a welcoming place for a new arrival.

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Why on earth would you think it's shocking that a person is held accountable to the contract they chose in free will to sign? I read that same article and thought 1) what an idiot to sign any contract without a mortgage contingency-- I never would have done that in a million years and 2) how stupid to put every last cent of your money into a down payment-- clearly they could not afford to buy a million dollar home if they only had around 90k to their name. How about buying a place for half as much where they could comfortabley put a down payment down and still have money left over in case of an emergency?
I have no sympathy for other people's poor choices and desire for lifestyles above their savings/income levels. These were not impoverished people being taken advantage of-- they were professionals buying a million dollar home and have every ability to understand the terms of a contract and consider that their circumstances may change in the future.

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My issue is not with women but with trust funders in denial.

Aww is someone jealous that some people don't have to work as hard as you? Do you blame the poor because they are dealt a shitty deck in life? No? So why hate on people who are lucky enough to be born into better circumstances. Its not their fault if their parents are rich. Besides, why assume that these ladies didn't work hard to earn a living?

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I think that it's really interesting that the NYT published this article and yesterday profiled a number of people, including a family of 4 in Hoboken, who have lost their entire down payments because their mortgages have fallen through in the time between when they signed a contract and now. The Hoboken couple is out over $90k on a two bedroom in the Maxwell House complex. What's really shocking is that they have zero recourse to recover the money.

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Your headline still stinks.

And how do you know she is a trust-funder? Because her mother helped her pay for her apartment? Like THAT's never happened before.

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My issue is not with women but with trust funders in denial.

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Wow, GP, the title of your thread is harsh and uncool. Maybe you should take your issues with women elsewhere. TIA.

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WINKs Make Developers Smile

New York Times
By ANTOINETTE MARTIN
Published: March 20, 2009

IN a generally weaker market for condominiums, one type of buyer is showing increasing strength: WINKs. Housing trend analysts came up with the acronym for ?women with income, no kids.?

SINGLE OWNER Luma Oweis, a geotechnical engineer who founded her own company four years ago, is single, childless and a first-time buyer. She recently visited the site of the apartment she is buying in Morristown.

Last year in New Jersey, almost half of all condominium buyers ? 45 percent ? were women in this category, analysts say. That fact dovetails with the findings of various national studies that over the last decade, the number of unmarried women buying housing of any type increased 20 percent.

The Otteau Valuation Group in New Brunswick recently reported that in New Jersey, WINKs represented 21 percent of all buyers last year, up from 14 percent the year before.

The percentage of single male buyers rose to 10 percent from 9 during that period.

?Amongst all single-woman buyers, condos are far and away the most popular choice,? said Jeffrey G. Otteau, who heads the group, a housing-trend analytical company.

Of the studies bolstering that finding, one conducted two years ago by Harvard University?s Joint Center for Housing Studies has been described as the first major analysis of female buyers.

The terms ?unmarried? or ?single? include the not-yet-married, the divorced and the widowed, Mr. Otteau said. Women with grown children or children who do not live in the household are also included.

?I didn?t know I would be called that,? said Luma Oweis, who recently bought a two-bedroom condo at 40 Park, a building now under construction in Morristown. ?But it fits.?

Ms. Oweis, 36, a geotechnical engineer who founded her own company four years ago, is single, childless and a first-time buyer. She said she decided on a condo because, ?I think it?s a good lifestyle for me: convenient, in the center of town, only two miles from my office.?

She said she preferred the ?social atmosphere? of a condo to the relative isolation of a single-family house, and wanted to ?look out the door and see action, and buzzing around.?

Also, Ms. Oweis said, she often works 18-hour days and eats out a lot during the week, so she is excited about the prospect of being able to walk to restaurants in downtown Morristown.

Unit prices at 40 Park start in the low $500,000s and exceed $1 million for penthouses overlooking the historic Morristown Green. But market analysts say that the surge in WINK condo buyers holds true across the price spectrum.

In addition, some brokers said they had already noted that single women were increasingly part of a separate recession-related mini-trend: shared housing.

At the Mill Pond at Eatontown, a newly built development where two-bedrooms start at $252,990, Nancy and Ann Mareska, sisters aged 48 and 45, each bought condos.

Also at Mill Pond, Joan Marangella, 68, and Liz Campoli, 52, who are longtime friends, became joint purchasers of a two-bedroom. Every unit in the complex has nine-foot ceilings and a patio or deck.

All four of the women are divorced. As the Harvard study noted, women who owned homes while married frequently have equity available to invest in new homes.

?Lizzie and I were both looking to downsize,? said Ms. Marangella, who has grown children and is a supervisor at a cardiology group.

?I felt the economy and everything was going downhill. It is important to foresee these things, and make a conscious decision.?

Several studies of female buyers have noted that while unmarried women have lower average incomes than unmarried men and couples, they are less likely to finance their home purchases, and that if they borrow, they borrow less.

Tara Gellatley, who set herself a goal of having a custom-built abode by the age of 35, is currently picking out tiles, trims and fixtures for the condominium that she is buying at Water?s Edge at Point Pleasant, a Pulte Homes development.

?I?m proud of buying as a single woman,? said Ms. Gellatley, 33. ?You put yourself on a tight budget, set guidelines and boundaries, and you can do it.?

Ms. Gellatley, who is employed in her father?s maritime shipping business, bought her first condo in Brick 10 years ago when she worked in the hotel industry.

The Harvard study found that unmarried women are much less likely to live with their parents than single men are.

But the question of whether WINKs are more likely to receive financial help from family members to establish their own households was not addressed.

Certainly, it happens.

?I really wanted to have my own place,? said 25-year-old Christine Corrales, who owns a one-bedroom apartment at the Trump Plaza in Jersey City. ?My mom became an investor so I could do that.?

Ms. Corrales says she is thrilled with the secure, ?hotel-like? atmosphere at Trump, where the 24-hour concierge is there should she forget her keys, and the people from the in-house dog-walking service always say hello.


Ms. Gellatley, meanwhile, is financing her own purchase, but moving into the same complex where her father bought a penthouse condo last year.

And Ms. Oweis will be living just two blocks away from her parents. They recently bought a condo at the Vail Mansion development in Morristown.

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