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I am glad New York Magazine is doing an article on Jersey City. I noticed they are getting very Snarky and bloggy sort of like gawker.com, so they are posting new content more often.
Maybe this will encourage other nightlife, entertainment, and culture guides Like TimeOutNY or Gothamist to cover New Jersey, they have reviews for a bunch of obscure places in the distant parts of Queens and the Bronx, but not a single listing for New Jersey. Also, there is a TimeOut Beiruit, why does a a bombed-out tiny city in a failed terrorist state get to have it's own Timeout guide, but not Jersey City, which is now one of the world's top financial centers with Goldman Sachs and all.

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Oh, do include Journal Square. I don't know if the artist-hipsters are moving here but lots of people with young children are here - there are 3-4 people on my street alone who have just had a baby (self included). We have a really good neighborhood association if you want to talk to them and get a handle on the issues up this way. You'd have to include the non-responsiveness of the politicians in your article as everyone else has already mentioned.

We moved to JSQ 3 years ago after looking at Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Hoboken to buy. So far, so good. Lots more space at a decent price. Will I stay here and send my kid to school here? If things don't change for the better round here, no freaking way.

And PLEASE illustrate your article with my favorite photo of Our Mayor - naked and drunk on his front porch. PLEASE.

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Maybe they need to include a JCList glossary as a sidebar. First entry being crapkins, obviously.

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I hope that the potential author spends some time here and makes up his own mind. It doesn't take a lot of time to get over here and walk around downtown. There have been plenty of articles in the NYC press, not by any means all negative, about JC over the past years and one more won't make a bit of difference in terms of rent/ownership costs. What I find interesting is how guides to the NYC metro area (including from NY magazine) almost always ignore nearby New Jersey. It's odd when such things, oriented to people who work in Manhattan, deal with far flung outer boroughs and not Hudson county with its better access.

More seriously, please don't forget to learn about crapkins.

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Was it elg, brewster or Grovepath who wrote, "someday someone will write a book about how Jersey City managed to go broke amidst all this development" ... or something to that effect


Hmmm, I don't know. Something tells me it probably was Brewster. . . . .

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Is Journal Square really where the displaced Downtown artists have moved? I've heard about Mott Haven in the Bronx for going on 7+ years as another popular spot.

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I hope they include Journal Square in the article. Journal Square is filling up with 20 something Artists and Young Profesionals priced out of Downtown J.C. and Hoboken, and there are new cafes, restaraunts etc., opening up there all the time.

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NYMag,

The biggest problem I see is that the development going on doesn't afford much (if any) room to stores beneath it. In neighborhoods you have corner stores and the like beneath homes and buildings. Near the waterfront you have very limited places to choose from, which makes it less neighborhood-like.

That's my only gripe so far, and for the record, the car I own is one of the most stolen in the state and it hasn't been touched since living in Jersey City. When I used to live in a suburb in Central Jersey thieves tried to steal it twice. I don't notice the crime that people mention in JC, so it is neighborhood to neighborhood like any place.

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I've got a title for your article call it:

How many a-holes can you fit in one phone booth?

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I think I can speak for everyone (well maybe not...) but what most of us don't want is more crap written about Jersey City.

We are as close as Brooklyn but we get a lot of crazy stereotypes spouted out by some writers...

Check out The Village Voice:

"As we ascend the PATH station escalator leading to a strange and unfamiliar land, a friendly stranger stands waiting at the summit, a sort of greeter-wrangler who with one glance knows precisely what we seek. He points us in the direction of the Yo La Tengo concert. This is his job, apparently, and he knows who to look for. Specifically, "confused white people." He smiles. We smile. Welcome to Jersey City."

see this thread

( or how about this gem! )

Urban Travel Guide -- "Hairy-backed shmucks mount Midtown floozies back in their Jersey City condos."


See this thread

I could go on and on but..

Just don't add to the list!

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I think you are right to concentrate on people who moved here within the last year. A lot of people on this list are people against the changes coming to downtown for one reason or another -- perhaps because they fear losing their rent deals, perhaps because they fear losing the easy parking, or often because many have political axes to grind. Regardless don't get fooled -- Downtown Jersey City is about the same size as Hoboken and crime-wise it is not too much different. Sure it feels a little more edgy sometimes but there was none (or perhaps one) murder downtown last year. See the recent thread with the stats on here -- posted a few days ago.

You have to come over and look for yourself, again I think you are right to find new comers to talk to -- people who have picked Downtown Jersey City over Brooklyn, Manhattan or Queens. My girlfriend and I lived in Brooklyn and moved here because it was closer, cheaper and with all the changes that have happened over the past few years -- it is now even nicer and dare I say "safer" than where we left.

If you do come over -- besides checking out all the nice places off Newark Avenue on Grove street ( and there are a ton of places on or around Grove ) your best bet if you are looking for new comers is to come over some late afternoon / evening -- just take a walk -- go get something to eat at Madame Claude's French Bistro -- a 5min walk on Newark Avenue to Brunswick Avenue @ 4th Street.
( http://www.madameclaudecafe.com ) and stop and have a beer at Abbey's Hookah Bar ( http://abbeyspub.com) Wess the bar manager at Abbey's is a New York actor and a real new comer to Jersey City. He can introduce you to a lot of other new comers.

As you take this walk down Newark Avenue check out the L.I.T.M. lounge, the hip Oasis Juice Bar, Metropolis Music Store ( www.JerseyCityMusic.com ), If it is early enough look into Baker Boys Cafe, notice new places like "It's Greek to Me", check out the thai restaurants, the asian markets, Side-by-Side Tavern, Pecoraro Bakery & Brick Oven Pizza, there are a few vintage stores -- after you eat at Madame Claude's walk back and forth on Brunswick -- there you'll find Another Man's Treasure Vintage store, Residue Gallery, a cool used record store, Brunswick Window Gallery and the White Star Bar -- if it is in the daytime find The Second Street Bakery -- what a blast from the past a true 1940's deli.

Yeah, and if you can (again if you have the time) also check out Journal Square and what is going on at the Loew's Theater with all the concerts by the likes of bands like Yo La Tengo and Beck's band -- the guy who runs Maxwell's in Hoboken is booking the talent. Up there you will find Little India (go to Dossa Hut -- it was written up in the Village Voice) lots of young new comers are moving into this area and also to the Heights area (above Hoboken) There are a few cool young hip bars starting up -- like Corkscrew in the heights -- has music on Saturday nights.
For more information search any of these places on here ( jclist.com ) and you will find threads about them.

Good Luck -- I for one hope you do a nice piece ( maybe not "Fluff" ) but let people know that Jersey City is an option to Brooklyn! It is better! I for one love all the new faces and I am happy that the towers being built on Newark Avenue and seemingly everywhere else in Downtown Jersey City will bring over a lot more New Yorkers or should I say Ex-New Yorkers!

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that was brewster. i can't take credit for that one.

perhaps mr. sternbergh can be the one to write that book.

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Was it elg, brewster or Grovepath who wrote, "someday someone will write a book about how Jersey City managed to go broke amidst all this development" ... or something to that effect

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Something tells me Mr. Sternbergh is getting more than he bargained for.

Tell us the truth - all you wanted to do was write a nice easy fluff piece, didn't you? And now you've really knocked around that bee's hive but good.

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NYmag,

You should clarify to us whether you're looking to write a "real estate porn" fluff piece about all the cool people moving to a popping, relatively affordable neighborhood just across the river, or a real study on what happens when gentrification meets old line Hudson County incompetence and corruption.

The former has been done, the latter is Pulitzer material.

This is a city of 240k people with a huge building boom that still manages to be broke. Even the Parking Authority (you know, the people who give parking tickets and manages the lots) contrives to operate in the red. Imagine the malfeasance that takes!

The beautiful brownstone neighborhoods aren't so lovely underneath, everyone's basements flood with sewer water when it rains hard because the 130 year old sewers are crumbling and not only isn't there money to modernize them, they don't even have a plan to if they did.

While the few historic districts are treated to strict controls on every external detail, elsewhere in the city, blocks of hideous "pink sugared brick" staten island type 2 family mostrosities are thrown up as fast and as cheap as the carpetbagging developers can do it.

The first person who showed me real estate in JC said "you can manufacture plutonium in Jersey City if you know the right people", and in 9 years I've seen little to prove him wrong. But he was too cynical, as he was unloading his holdings in 97, and left millions on the table. That's a JC
story too, as people sold thinking "this can't go ANY higher!" . But it did, and you now have people in townhouses who paid literally 70 times what their neighbor paid 35 years ago, and are able to walk to art galleries and french bistros.

As Shreck said, we're like an onion: lots of layers, with a stink.

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From the other comments you can gauge that one of the major problems is the arrogance of City Hall- no one listens to the citizenry on the need for developments with affordable housing, anti-gang programs for youth, need for more recreational space/ public swimming pools, etc; an end to huge skyscraper development in historic neighborhoods and the arts district; and double-dipping politicians.
I agree speak to Fulop and also to Mia Scanga. Oh but you probably won't be able to unless you come by public transportation because you can't find anywhere in downtown JC to park!


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Thanks for the comments so far (even the one about the New Yorker).

In talking to people in JC about JC, two concerns keep coming up: a) rapid, unchecked development and b) crime. But these are paradoxical, no? I.e., if the crime is really that bad, it should keep the development (and influx) in check; or the influx will curb the crime (neighborhoods get nicer, etc.).

Or maybe I just haven't been talking to the right people....

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There is nothing in the definition of a bribe that states that a bribe is illegal, from Merriam-Webster Online -

1 : money or favor given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of a person in a position of trust
2 : something that serves to induce or influence

It is up to a legislative body or perhaps a public initiative to make specific types of bribes illegal.




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In talking to people in JC about JC, two concerns keep coming up: a) rapid, unchecked development and b) crime. But these are paradoxical, no? I.e., if the crime is really that bad, it should keep the development (and influx) in check; or the influx will curb the crime (neighborhoods get nicer, etc.).


not when the developers are also criminals. heh heh.


which raises an interesting question: what is crime?

developers bribing city officals for tax abatements?

tax abated developments that don't pay substantially into a low cost housing fund?

hmmmmmmm


Sadly, it's not a bribe when it's legal.


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Shady = of a certain shade, perhaps?

(OH NO! IT'S THE RACE CARD!)

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maybe it's like that kid with the shades in risky business. or remember when eminem had that army of "slim shady" lookalikes on the mtv awards? maybe they're like that. actually, i bet that's it.

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I've really noticed an improvement since June or so, when the city began to ramp up enforcement, but I still see shady kids around.


What, exactly, is a shady kid, and why would you expect not to see them around anymore if law enforcement were ramped up?

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I think the Jersey City public schools might actually have better after school care/youth programs than New York does, but, obviously, supply is not keeping up with demand.


Perhaps not for long if the suburban tax rebels succeed in gutting the Abbott program that gives us $14k per kid. The idea that spending alot on inner city public education is better than spending even more on jails, law enforcement and social services eludes them, never mind the social justice aspect of it.

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In talking to people in JC about JC, two concerns keep coming up: a) rapid, unchecked development and b) crime. But these are paradoxical, no? I.e., if the crime is really that bad, it should keep the development (and influx) in check; or the influx will curb the crime (neighborhoods get nicer, etc.).

Or maybe I just haven't been talking to the right people....


There is more crime but not THAT much more crime. Mostly more nuisance crime with the occasional thing that could happen anywhere crime.

I've really noticed an improvement since June or so, when the city began to ramp up enforcement, but I still see shady kids around.

I think the Jersey City public schools might actually have better after school care/youth programs than New York does, but, obviously, supply is not keeping up with demand.

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Sadly, it's not a bribe when it's legal.



LAWYER!


Not guilty, I've explained my SN a couple of times.

Oh and by the way- who're you to throw stones, you're the one who keeps showing up on GP's stoop all hopped up on goofballs!

On a serious note- MCA pretty much sums it all up. This city will never function properly until politics in this county get cleaned up somehow.

Of course, with Bob Menendez now heading off to an elected Senate seat, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

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Sadly, it's not a bribe when it's legal.



LAWYER!

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In talking to people in JC about JC, two concerns keep coming up: a) rapid, unchecked development and b) crime. But these are paradoxical, no? I.e., if the crime is really that bad, it should keep the development (and influx) in check; or the influx will curb the crime (neighborhoods get nicer, etc.).


not when the developers are also criminals. heh heh.


which raises an interesting question: what is crime?

developers bribing city officals for tax abatements?

tax abated developments that don't pay substantially into a low cost housing fund?

hmmmmmmm


Sadly, it's not a bribe when it's legal.


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exactly.

yeah, let's bring on that article. let's talk about this in print. let's see if city officials can't be embarrassed.

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In talking to people in JC about JC, two concerns keep coming up: a) rapid, unchecked development and b) crime. But these are paradoxical, no? I.e., if the crime is really that bad, it should keep the development (and influx) in check; or the influx will curb the crime (neighborhoods get nicer, etc.).


not when the developers are also criminals. heh heh.


which raises an interesting question: what is crime?

developers bribing city officals for tax abatements?

tax abated developments that don't pay substantially into a low cost housing fund?

hmmmmmmm

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NYmag, all kidding aside, both the concerns you bring up can be laid squarely at the feet of a city government that, going back decades, pays lip service to its citizens (for the most recent example, see Mayor Healy's campaign platform, where he promised to lower crime and stop waterfront abatements) and bends over backwards to accommodate big developers. I hope you interview the Councilman for downtown JC, Steven Fulop, to get his take on this. Better yet, make the article a Fulop profile.

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In talking to people in JC about JC, two concerns keep coming up: a) rapid, unchecked development and b) crime. But these are paradoxical, no? I.e., if the crime is really that bad, it should keep the development (and influx) in check; or the influx will curb the crime (neighborhoods get nicer, etc.).


not when the developers are also criminals. heh heh.

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Downtown is VASTLY better and safer than two years ago or even last year -- there are tons more restaurants and other amenities.

Even Newark Avenue is looking better -- you should check out some of the places downtown and talk to real people not us. Once the new towers are built things should really be much much better downtown. There are lots of new people moving downtown already!

A lot of people on this list are really affraid that change will make them loose their parking spaces or cause their rents to rise too much.

Downtown gets better everyday! If you want a list of great places to go to downtown just ask!

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