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Meanwhile, these jersey city children have suffered with highly contaminated lead in their school water systems for over a decade, with nothing being done. Kids in many schools don't have any greenspace to play/exercise in. During rainstorms, massive amounts of water floods through the roof and is collected in garbage cans. Nothing in done - it continues for years. Somehow, i don't see these basic health and safety problems happening in the "underfunded" suburbs.
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The districts that are in the vanguard of the fight for fair aid are Red Bank Boro, Swedesboro, Freehold Boro, Chesterfield, Newton, Bound Brook, and Delran. Clifton (who just eliminated 49 staff positions) is starting to get pissed off too, which would be a very big deal since Clifton is the largest of severely underaided districts. Paterson and Newark aren't that underaided, but they think they are and they are demanding more money. They aren't talking redistribution yet, but maybe somebody there will get wise too. Most underaided districts are very passive about it. Others are angry, but think that the solution is putting more money into education aid overall and not redistribution. However, the calls for redistribution weren't there last year from anyone. Things are changing.
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No other newspaper I know of other than the Hudson Reporter has reported Christie saying anything about Jersey City losing $100 million. The Hudson Reporter doesn't even have a direct quote. The author of that article doesn't even understand what the rationale for Jersey City's "extra aid" even is. The author doesn't know that the aid is called "Adjustment Aid" and that it has nothing to do with tax abatements. Until you read something in a higher quality journal that has a real quote, don't rush to conclusions. I don't know what Sweeney says in private, but in public when he has talked state aid he has never singled Jersey City out as a district that should lose aid (or any district). Unlike Jack Ciattarelli and Mike Doherty, Sweeney has never sought to remind the public that Jersey City receives massive subsidies from the rest of the state. Maybe Sweeney will come out with these attacks once the campaign heats up, but he hasn't used them so far.
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What you're seeing is the realization, on a bi-partisan level, of the unfairness of education funding. That's driving it, finally it's not only the wealthy suburbs but the under aided towns run by Democrats taking action. When the People's Republic of Maplewood/South Orange starts to jaw about it you know it's not a Christie move.
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I claim no plot or conspiracy. I've stated the same about Sweeney for years on this board. Whether or not JC is over-aided or not isn't the point. The question is, why is Christie making the big push. If you don't see the naked politics involved with Christie helping his buddy out, your only excuse would be a recent move to New Jersey! 
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JC is over aided. A correction is proper, and fair to other NJ taxpayers. A reval is decades overdue, and has recently been delayed because of political gamesmanship by Fulop.
Neither one of the actions to correct those two issues are anything but proper, not a Machiavellian plot by the Democrat in charge of the Senate, or the Republican Governor. Mayor Fulop complains about Democrats, and now Mayor DeBlasio is doing the same in NY. When you're whining about members of your own party plotting against you it gets amusing!
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Posted on: 2016/5/10 18:08
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The short answer to the question is: YES!
Anyone who disagrees is a complete and utter moron. Sweeney is Christie's boy. Sweeney carried Christie's water when he decided to screw over unions with dishonest negotiations. This is Christie just giving him a kickback.
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Yvonne, I was thinking about this and the test to see if a reduction of Jersey City's school aid is motivated by wanting to hurt Steve Fulop or motivated by fairness is how other districts are affected. Jersey City is one of about 200 districts that are overaided (of whom 150 officially get Adjustment Aid.) If a politician proposes redistribution and somehow only Jersey City is losing money, then I think the purpose is to embarrass Steve Fulop. But if Jersey City loses state aid alongside with scores of other districts, then I think the motivation is fairness for other districts. If someone proposes PILOT reform and it looks like Jersey City is being hurt more than other municipalities & school districts, well, that's just because Jersey City PILOTs way more construction than anybody else. Even if you think that Jersey City is losing aid disproportionately to other overaided districts it isn't necessarily unfair since Jersey City is among NJ's most overaided districts by multiple standards. The best measure of overaiding/underaiding is aid surplus or deficit per student, and here Jersey City gets $4300 more per student than it is supposed to. This is the 18th highest in NJ. If the Jersey City BOE protests about devastating cuts, it is because Jersey City is more dependent on Adjustment Aid than all but a handful of districts. Jersey City's Adjustment Aid (which should be $130 million, not $114 million) is a quarter of its budget. For most other districts getting Adjustment Aid, the Adjustment Aid is 1-5% of the budget. But anyway, we haven't heard anything from Christie about JC losing aid. The original Hudson Reporter article doesn't give its source for Christie's comment or use a direct quote and therefore I don't consider it authoritative.
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What the heck are you talking about?
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We shall see. As of yet, I haven't seen a bona fide quote from Christie on Jersey City's state aid. Christie doesn't like Fulop, but he's buddies with Brian Stack and hurting Fulop on state aid would require hurting Brian Stack. What's extraordinary about Hudson County aid dynamics is how passive Vincent Prieto is. Prieto's district, District 32, is the most or second most underaided in NJ. Prieto's district includes East Newark, Fairview, and Guttenberg, three of the ten most underaided school districts in NJ. Kearny, North Bergen, and NOrth Arlington do really badly too. If legislators actually worked 1) for their constituents 2) for justice, Prieto would be all over state aid (Nick Sacco has been involved), but Prieto does absolutely nothing. http://njeducationaid.blogspot.com/20 ... to-put-hudson-county.html I don't believe that Prieto is just an agent for Steve Fulop, but I don't think Steve Fulop is exaggerating when he says "I have significant clout with Speaker Prieto."
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Sorry SAG - got to call you out on this. This is simply "lies, lies and damned statistics" (Mark Twain). How about this one: is every kid in NJ getting a fair education?
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We don't know yet if the redistribution will affect Jersey City or how much it would lose, but JC's school tax levy was $112 million for 2015-16, so $100 million would be nearly a doubling of that. We also don't know how many years this would take place over. Jersey City's tax base is growing so rapidly that even if it raised taxes by $10 million a year the tax rate would still be falling. In Steve Fulop's press release about JC's S&P upgrade he talked about how JC's Equalized Valuation increased by 10% in the last year. Mind you, if Jersey City lost all its Adjustment Aid and were funded at 100% of its uncapped aid, it would still be better funded than most NJ districts. Right now the median district only gets 80% of its uncapped aid.
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SAG. In this matter I don't dispute the numbers. But when you base an argument on previous (potentially flawed) political precedent and horse-trading - you are missing the entire point. We either owe every kid in JC, in NJ, and in the USA, an education... or we don't. Given the Hillary vs Donald debate doesn't feature education front and center - it's a measure of how dumb we've become as a nation.
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I personally believe Christie will reduce school aid just to get back at Fulop. Fulop is taking shots at Christie and this will be Christie's revenge.
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Based on these figures how much money per property does that equate to in jc?
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Just to be accurate, Jersey City is overaided by over $100 million based on its non-PILOTed property. If the PILOTed property were included (using a $9 bil figure for its Equalized Valuation), Jersey City would be overaided by an additional $59 million. Also, we don't know if redistribution will effect JC. Sweeney and Beck haven't released their bill yet, but they've talked about only taking Adjustment Aid from districts that are over Adequacy and JC (due to undertaxing) is slightly below Adequacy. Even if this did effect JC it wouldn't lose all of its aid. It would still have about $300 million. Finally, I think the HR article is awful because it doesn't identify the the real (or to a cynic, purported) reason for redistribution: to help the poorest districts. FYI: (The formula for Local Fair Share for 16-17 is (Equalized Valuation x 0.013156218 + Aggregate Income x 0.046185507)/2=LFS )
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The city is giving another 25 year tax abatement at the next council meeting. From the state's point of view, JC does not need school funding due to these tax abatements.
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I don't think the HR story is accurate and it definitely isn't complete. The article doesn't even have a direct quote from Christie and there's no state aid stream that has anything to do with tax abatements, although Jersey City's promiscuous PILOTing makes Jersey City's overaiding even more glaring.
I assume there is a kernel of truth to this story though about Jersey City losing state aid, but it's completely insensitive to say that this is "designed to help Sweeney."
If it's right that NJ's leaders want to take away some of JC's state aid it's because they want to do the right thing and help desperately underaided and underfunded districts who are fiscally f*&#ed by the status quo. It's designed to help the numerous districts in NJ who are facing both declining tax bases AND growing student populations. It's designed to help the few dozen districts in NJ who have seen massive Latino immigration and yet not gotten any new state aid (or proportional state aid) to help educate those children.
It's designed to help districts whose taxes exceed Local Fair Share and who are being wrecked by their taxes.
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