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Re: US/NJ Murder rate at lowest point since the 1950s...but why don't we notice?
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Considering gun violence is down 60% since 1993, yes, everything is relative.
Posted on: 2015/10/29 1:32
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Everything is relative ain't it.  
Posted on: 2015/10/29 1:09
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Brewster, neither Pebble nor yourself provided the pertinent facts. You provided wholly irrelevant facts (such as how often people get shot by dogs and toddlers, which is less than 1% of all shootings). You also shamelessly tried to exploit the Sandy Hook massacre by flat out lying that "small children being massacred" is a "regular occurrence" under current gun laws, which of course is the subterfuge referenced by the OP at the beginning of this thread.
Pebble did a better job of providing some pertinent facts, specifically only one. However, this fact was grossly sensationalized. Let's examine in greater detail, since I should bring facts of my own to the table. The medium.com link states that from 2001-2012, a period of 12 years, 6,410 women were murdered by an intimate partner using a gun. It then makes the ridiculously sensationalist claim this is "more than the total number of U.S. troops killed in action during the entirety of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined." Let's forget that the website looks like liberal tripe to the extreme and take the facts as true. Well, as it turns out, 19,392 Americans killed themselves with a gun in 2010 alone. That's 3x the total number of U.S. troops killed in action during the entirety of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined! Moreover, this was just in one year. The women getting murdered stat was spread out over 12 years. http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/ ... ount-for-most-gun-deaths/ Since suicides are counted in the gun violence statistics, clearly these guns are instrumental in the War on Ourselves and must be stopped!! Here are some more extremely pertinent facts you and your deceptive ilk like to ignore: "Between 1993 and 2000, the gun homicide rate dropped by nearly half, from 7.0 homicides to 3.8 homicides per 100,000 people. Since then, the gun homicide rate has remained relatively flat." "The rate of nonfatal gun victimizations declined in a similar way to the gun death rate, with a large drop in the 1990s ? 63% between 1993 and 2000." And "Despite these trends, most U.S. adults think gun crimes have increased." http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/ ... 0s-suicide-rate-edges-up/ Why is that? Because of our sensationalist media, the gun control lobby, opportunistic politicians, and people like yourself who parrot sensationalist distortions, of course. Again, it is the ultimate irony that you are calling people out to add that there's no war on cops, when you shamelessly tried to imply there's a war on "small children." And for Pebble, my dimwitted friend, I never said that the gun control lobby is "somehow in charge and control of things." I said that it is because of their efforts, and that of most of our media, that people have the false perception that things are currently incredibly dangerous, when in reality we are the safest we've ever been. The fact you cited that only 26% of Americans want to ban handguns simply shows how the majority of people have rejected and continue to reject this deceptive propaganda.
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Edited by JCMan8 on 2015/10/29 0:53:06
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Well done Pebble, and I came back to add there's no war on cops either, despite the hysteria.
 Once again: There is no ?war on cops.? And those who claim otherwise are playing a dangerous game. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/th ... playing-a-dangerous-game/
Posted on: 2015/10/29 0:06
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Facts are important?
NY Times: N.R.A. Stymies Firearms Research, Scientists Say Quote: In the wake of the shootings in Tucson, the familiar questions inevitably resurfaced: Are communities where more people carry guns safer or less safe? Does the availability of high-capacity magazines increase deaths? Do more rigorous background checks make a difference?  https://medium.com/human-development-p ... r-8f1fd3637d41#.1l9yjaug6 Quote: And from 2001 through 2012, 6,410 women were murdered in the United States by an intimate partner using a gun???more than the total number of U.S. troops killed in action during the entirety of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars combined. Mapped: The US states with the most gun owners?and most gun deaths NY Times: Concealed-Carry Fantasy Quote: Tellingly, the vast majority of these concealed-carry, licensed shooters killed themselves or others rather than taking down a perpetrator. Noted liberal magazine, The Economist. Quote: There is no national database of gun ownership, because the gun lobby sees that as a first step towards disarmament. and Quote: Despite recent tragedies, support for stronger gun control has wavered. A 2014 Gallup poll showed that just 26% of people wanted to ban handguns, down from 60% in 1959. Moreover, an increasing number of Americans believe that having a gun in the house would make them safer. Some states have actually relaxed their gun laws in recent years. Even given the link between guns and gun violence, which seems obvious to the rest of the world, America is unlikely to implement significant gun control in the near future.  But, yeah, let?s make the claim that the gun control lobby is somehow in charge and control of things. Them and ?the media? are conspiring to make people give up their guns... Quote:
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However, it really has to do with the number of news outlets and what triggers ratings. Reporting on a shooting gets eyeballs. Reporting on a community garden gets a yawn. Another factor is that every single generation bitches about how things were better in their day. This is a timeless tradition that is without fail and it happens with everything.
Posted on: 2015/10/28 16:03
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It's just the ultimate irony you can call out "sensationalist media" yet use the same exact sensationalist BS to push an agenda. "Small children being massacred," apart from being an extreme anomaly when you look at the breakdown of gun crime statistics (which you steadfastly refuse to do, instead using deception to point to statistically negligible slivers of gun crime with the implication they are representative of the whole), is a non sequitur when faced with the reality that we've simply never been safer. And yes, this includes small children. So bleat all you want about statistically irrelevant examples designed to pull at one's heartstrings. At the end of the day, the original post was about why do people have a perception of fear when in reality they've never been safer? Listening to the claptrap spouted by you and the gun control lobby, with allusions to "small children being massacred" as a "regular occurrence," is precisely why many are under this false impression. It's just so ironic coming from you.
Posted on: 2015/10/28 14:54
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Stop and think about what you're talking about. Small children being massacred. This isn't a game. But you treat it like a sport, with yardage gained or lost. Just thinking about it makes me queasy as a father, yet it's a regular occurrence in the America you prefer. 2 things make my teenagers safer in JC than they would be in shitkicker heaven, they're not riding in the back of some drunken kid's pickup and there's far fewer guns.
Posted on: 2015/10/28 5:37
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A shame since you made the same mistake again. You linked to a phenomenon which makes up a negligible portion of shootings nationwide. But congrats for calling out "sensationalist media" and linking to an article which does this exact thing. And given the fact that we have never been safer, and murders are at their lowest in decades, I'm not seeing much of a problem with the gun industry "getting their way," over the objections of our media. But certainly not "always" getting their way, as the gun grabbers scored some victories after they successfully exploited Sandy Hook to get a flurry of new gun control legislation passed. And at least the motivations of gun industry folks are understandable, they have a product to sell. Gun control advocates who rely on deceit and the shameless exploitation of tragedies to further their political agenda are a lot less understandable.
Posted on: 2015/10/28 3:40
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Lets see, who always gets their way? It isn't gun control, that's for sure. Remember "Obama's going to take your guns!!" He didn't, he didn't even try, but boy was that a sales boom for the gun industry. BTW, the dog link for ironic not statistical purposes. If you want unironic statistics, here: People are getting shot by toddlers on a weekly basis this year
Posted on: 2015/10/28 2:35
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I'm afraid you have it backwards. The media teams up with the gun control industry and opportunistic politicians to have people terrified that unless immediate "gun control" measures are implemented (and they are always vague on specifics), all of us are at risk from mass shootings. When the reality is we've never been safer. The article you linked represents a negligible sliver of gun violence. What the media, opportunistic politicians, etc, rarely mention is the fact suicides are counted as "gun violence" in the statistics. When every intellectually honest person should know that suicides should not be counted in gun crime statistics. And for the record, suicides and gang violence make up the bulk of gun crimes (not dogs shooting, or even people shooting their loved ones). But don't count on the gun control lobby to tell you that. While it's a bit of a cliche in politics, the phrase "never let a tragedy go to waste" is best represented by the gun control lobby. They are out in full force exploiting mass shootings to further their gun control agenda before the bodies are even cold.
Posted on: 2015/10/28 1:17
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Because even though murder and all crime is at a historic low, the media and gun industry still has people worked up and terrified that some stranger is going to be breaking into their home to do violence to their family. Large numbers of these people live in non-urban areas where this is an even more remote possibility than it is here. And that kind of crime IS rare in the city. What isn't rare is people shooting themselves and their loved ones, or ex loved ones. And now this:In the past five years, at least six Americans have been shot by dogs
Posted on: 2015/10/28 0:31
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But yes I did have another question. Does anyone have access to JC stats going back to the 50s?
Posted on: 2015/10/27 23:32
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If murder is at its lowest point since the 1950's, how is the gun lobby "out of control?" Maybe you are influenced by the sensationalist news coverage. Unless you are referring to the gun control lobby, in which case I agree.
Posted on: 2015/10/27 23:11
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Sensationalist 24 hr news cycle, out of control gun lobby and opportunistic politicians. Next question.
Posted on: 2015/10/27 22:59
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Now a days with the Internet making us more aware of crime, it gives the perception crime is out of control. It is hard not to notice many crime articles online are followed by comments of how bad crime has gotten and how good things used to be. The majority of these statements are made by people who grew up in the 50s, 60s or 70s. They will tell you how crime was low back then and how "things like this didn't happen". They romanticise about the "good old days" but what I don't understand is why aren't their more articles out their showing how good things actually are now? I know their are a few but it almost seems like the media wants you to believe things are worst then they actually are.
Murder is at the lowest point it has been in this country and state since the 50s and most crime catagories the lowest since the 60s. So why aren't more people aware of this? I am also curious if anyone reading this knows of any statistics for JC crime statistics that go back to the 50s and 60s? I would like to see if JC stats reflect the same trend as the rest of the US and NJ. US Crime Statistics from 1960-2014 NJ Crime Statistics from 1960-2014
Posted on: 2015/10/27 22:50
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