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Re: NY TIMES: Have New Yorkers finally discovered Jersey City?
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Is it just me or does the Times release a carbon copy of this article every year or two saying New Yorkers have finally 'discovered' JC?
every 6 months, more like. I'd rather they stop discovering it, to be honest. I like my rents where they are right now.


Ditto. Kinda sick of the over-crowding and price gouging happening in dtjc of late.

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Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city.



I couldn't disagree with the first sentence more. People most certainly see Brooklyn, the Bronx and Queens and even Manhattan in terms of regions and yet they are all part of NYC. Demand for real estate in Tribeca or the Upper East Side is not decreasing because of crime in Harlem or the Bronx.

Downtown is a totally different area than most of the rest of JC whether you like that or not. It has far less crime (especially violent), is much more developed in terms of building, has a different racial and cultural make-up and forms a different socio-economic class. Some people may dislike some of these differences, but they are facts of reality. So it's no wonder that people disconnect themselves between the two areas.

I understand the incentive to paint the picture of JC you're trying to create. You want to pull money and resources from one area of the city to another. That's understandable if you have some sort of connection to areas that will benefit from that. But let's be honest. Without the money coming into DTJC, there's no one to loot!

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I've always felt that the RE section of the Times is an advertising section with a few lifestyle articles thrown in to give it legitimacy. I would not be surprised if a group of RE developers asked for the piece to promote interest in their projects in JC.


Whatever public relations/advertising firm Fulop is hiring for his "marketing" campaign probably called a favor in to the NYT for the article.

I'm all for advertising JC, it can't hurt my property value... c'mon over NYers!

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I've always felt that the RE section of the Times is an advertising section with a few lifestyle articles thrown in to give it legitimacy. I would not be surprised if a group of RE developers asked for the piece to promote interest in their projects in JC.

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Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.


Couldn't agree more.

I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this, but I always get a laugh from JC residents who get worked up about NYC looking down on us, then a minute later begin dumping on the next neighborhood out from theirs in Jersey City.

Well you are being nice, I am accusing and pointing fingers there are plenty of a$$holes on this board who bring nothing to the unity on JC.

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Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.


Couldn't agree more.

I'm not accusing anyone here of doing this, but I always get a laugh from JC residents who get worked up about NYC looking down on us, then a minute later begin dumping on the next neighborhood out from theirs in Jersey City.

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Every 3 to 6 months, the same sort of article is written in the NYT or WSJ. Most americans are geo-illiterate, so I am not surprised by someone from Brooklyn not knowing where Jersey or Jersey City is. I love the convenience of the PATH and the Holland Tunnel. On a tuesday night, I am parked in SoHo or Union Square in 10 to 15 minutes drive. My commute is less than 45 minutes, 8 of which is spent on the PATH, the rest walking. I believe the key areas to renovate and get moving is Ber-Laf/Pacific/Liberty St Park area and JSQ. The Heights is okay, depending on the block and Greenville is a mess that needs high priority by police/govt initiatives/community activists etc to clean it up and move it in the right direction.

Not sure how JC is still a big secret though.

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but what is there not to "get" about Brooklyn? The parts of Brooklyn that are popular and have exploded are super convenient, aesthetically attractive, and super walkable. Those are the reasons that people flock to urban cities.

If Jersey City was a part of the 5 boroughs, every square inch of Downtown would be as expensive as Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it is not part of the 5 boroughs is the only reason why prices have remained relatively "low" ... and by the way, prices in DTJC are more expensive than in most neighborhoods in the outer 4 boroughs.

Brooklyn has built a brand. Jersey City has not. Steven Fulop knows this, and knows the importance of it, and is working at building the brand that Jersey City deserves.

People are choosing the outer stretches of Brooklyn over DTJC because A) Brooklyn has a brand, and B) it's officially a part of NYC. People who move to New York from all over the country and world want to live in the city limits. Demand drives prices up. So yes, Bushwick is still a shitty place, uglier than DTJC, but it's highly coveted to say that one lives in Brooklyn, so there ya go.

It's annoying, but the New York area does a terrible job of promoting the entire area as a region. The Bay Area does a fantastic job of promoting the San Francisco area as a region, although I'm sure some provincialism exists there as well.

I think personally, I'm a little unique in the sense that I think of the entire New York area as a true *region* more than most people do. Maybe it's because I spend so much time in Manhattan in my day to day routine, maybe because I have so much family all over the tri-state area. I think it's weird when DTJC residents say "I'm going to the city", because I feel that this statement implies that we, while standing in DTJC having this conversation, are in the suburbs in some sense.

Ahh. Whatever :) Just rambling.



Until people in JC considers all of JC as a region we will always be full of shit here. Most people who live dtjc disconnect themselves from the rest of the city. However most outsiders look at JC as a whole. When there are 20 murders or muggings the average New Yawker does not look at JC by sections but as a whole city that's bad.

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I also think he was motivated by the fact that he could buy a brownstone in Lafayette after selling his 5th floor walkup in PH. There is some awesome housing stock in Lafayette thanks to our old friends Keeney & Halladay.


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My guess is it's mostly a symbolic gesture. Goes against the narrative that he's just a "downtown" mayor, but also it's a beautiful neighborhood and right next to the lightrail. =)

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I'm not trying to be snarky, but what is there not to "get" about Brooklyn? The parts of Brooklyn that are popular and have exploded are super convenient, aesthetically attractive, and super walkable. Those are the reasons that people flock to urban cities.

If Jersey City was a part of the 5 boroughs, every square inch of Downtown would be as expensive as Williamsburg and Brooklyn Heights. There is no doubt about it. The fact that it is not part of the 5 boroughs is the only reason why prices have remained relatively "low" ... and by the way, prices in DTJC are more expensive than in most neighborhoods in the outer 4 boroughs.

Brooklyn has built a brand. Jersey City has not. Steven Fulop knows this, and knows the importance of it, and is working at building the brand that Jersey City deserves.

People are choosing the outer stretches of Brooklyn over DTJC because A) Brooklyn has a brand, and B) it's officially a part of NYC. People who move to New York from all over the country and world want to live in the city limits. Demand drives prices up. So yes, Bushwick is still a shitty place, uglier than DTJC, but it's highly coveted to say that one lives in Brooklyn, so there ya go.

It's annoying, but the New York area does a terrible job of promoting the entire area as a region. The Bay Area does a fantastic job of promoting the San Francisco area as a region, although I'm sure some provincialism exists there as well.

I think personally, I'm a little unique in the sense that I think of the entire New York area as a true *region* more than most people do. Maybe it's because I spend so much time in Manhattan in my day to day routine, maybe because I have so much family all over the tri-state area. I think it's weird when DTJC residents say "I'm going to the city", because I feel that this statement implies that we, while standing in DTJC having this conversation, are in the suburbs in some sense.

Ahh. Whatever :) Just rambling.



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My guess is it's mostly a symbolic gesture. Goes against the narrative that he's just a "downtown" mayor, but also it's a beautiful neighborhood and right next to the lightrail. =)

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Our neighbors across the river are finally discovering what the Australians evidently figured out a few years ago



Not to mention, Asian immigrants!

How much did the Australians really buy? Are we talking numerous brownstones or is that just a hyped story?

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Absolutely does!

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"But when she and her husband, Serge, a Brooklyn native, began searching for a larger apartment, the best they could find was a Crown Heights two-bedroom listed at $3,200 a month. ?It was in a questionable area and still an hour-and-five-minute commute to work,? said Ms. Madhere, an associate production manager for the Hearst Corporation.

Reluctantly, Ms. Madhere ventured to Jersey City. When she saw the Beacon, a 14-acre Art Deco complex, she was sold."

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hahaha. Crown heights versus bergen lafayette. hmmm, hard choice. I guess if you live in the beacon and only leave via the shuttle to the PATH, all is well.

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I have a friend who grew up and still lives in Brooklyn. She has the biggest attitude toward NJ. She always refers to it as "Jersey" and the way she says it just drips with snobbishness.

We were talking about Maxwell's closing and she said, "I've only been a few times. It's Jersey, after all."

God, I hate that attitude. Just STFU.

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Interesting that the author goes on about the ever-booming DTJC real estate market without a single mention of the looming and inevitable tax revaluation which could stick the proverbial pin in the bubble.

Can just picture the NYC-to-DTJC transplants getting hit with a 50% markup in their property taxes a year after they buy. "But the NY Times never said anything about this!"

It's a NY Times fluff/trend piece. Their real estate section isn't exactly known for hard hitting journalism and I hardly think any casual reader cares about the intricacies of a property tax reval for a place they don't live.

Lastly, the very people that might be attracted to JC by an article like this are probably not going to be as affected by a reval as those long time residents whose homes are valued at a quarter of the market rate.


Just seems like these types of articles are helping to drive an absolute feeding frenzy in DTJC which many people view as an unsustainable bubble. All the while, the large revaluation elephant sits in the corner of the room, unacknowledged.

I also disagree with the characterization that new buyers would be less affected by a potential housing crash. You can buy a condo in DTJC starting in the low $400k's-- not chump change by any means, but hardly reserved for the 1-percenters of the world, either. If a new buyer buys a place for $450k with $8k/ year taxes, then a year later her taxes jump up to $13k, what will that do to the value of her home? Could be devastating.

Not trying to be a black cloud here, but pieces like this one in the NY Times make me very concerned about a potential bubble burst.

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Just curious, did Fulop state why he planned to move to B-L? You'd think he'd want to be closer to City Hall and stay downtown.

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Why would he stay downtown? Most mayors before him lived else where in the city. Cunningham lived in ward A and Healy lived in the Heights. Besides downtown is just two stops away form GV and one stop from BL via lightrail. I applaud Fulop for leaving dtjc.
Does anyone know where Fulop is moving to in BeLa?

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Just curious, did Fulop state why he planned to move to B-L? You'd think he'd want to be closer to City Hall and stay downtown.

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I agree - I don't get Brooklyn either. I grew up in Queens and have been to BKLN many times. Yes, there are several nice pockets (love Prospect Park), but aside from those, it's just like Queens/Bayonne/Heights/etc.

I just don't get it.

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It still boggles my mind that anyone would choose a place like Bushwick over DTJC when it costs the same...granted the PATH is nothing to write home about, but the extra 5-10 minutes late night is worth it for a much safer, cleaner, serviced, neighborhood.

I have been to BK many times, I don't get it. The best places in BK to live are off the beaten path, others are overpriced and full of hipsters, and the rest are unsafe and grimey.


the best explanation I've heard is that transplants all dream of living in NYC and brooklyn counts but NJ doesn't. It's part of a general package of naivete and big dreams that draws people to nyc in the first place.

I wonder how many people move to brooklyn, last maybe a year or two, and then move out of the area entirely.

Other than people who grew up there and whose families own property, or people stuck in multigenerational poverty in public housing, it seems like brooklyn is more of a place for people who are young and transient.

I just saw someone posting looking for an apartment share or studio in brooklyn for under a grand. I suggested that their budget might go further in downtown JC. Their reply was that they bike everywhere and aren't interested in a train commute. It struck me that only person from a certain demographic would rather live in a shithole in brooklyn than a nice place in JC just because they prefer biking over taking the train.

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I agree - I don't get Brooklyn either. I grew up in Queens and have been to BKLN many times. Yes, there are several nice pockets (love Prospect Park), but aside from those, it's just like Queens/Bayonne/Heights/etc.

I just don't get it.

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It still boggles my mind that anyone would choose a place like Bushwick over DTJC when it costs the same...granted the PATH is nothing to write home about, but the extra 5-10 minutes late night is worth it for a much safer, cleaner, serviced, neighborhood.

I have been to BK many times, I don't get it. The best places in BK to live are off the beaten path, others are overpriced and full of hipsters, and the rest are unsafe and grimey.

Queens I get a little more if you work in East Midtown...but I still would take JC.

Also, people from NYC are familiar with NJ- the airport, the stadium, the Jersey Shore, the shopping, and people come across to visit friends in Hoboken and JC...and JC's proximity to the rest of NJ versus the dead end, dying economy LI and fancy overpriced Westchester is ANOTHER advantage of Hudson County life.

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I'm hearing it's near Communipaw and Pacific. Btw, have you joined the new Lafayette community forum on nextdoor.com? Trying to rally our neighbors to join. https://nextdoor.com/invite/dfsvrptuttjtfvumjafn

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Our neighbors across the river are finally discovering what the Australians evidently figured out a few years ago, and what those of us who have lived in DTJC for years have known all along - this is a great place to live, and getting better with each passing year.


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Lastly, the very people that might be attracted to JC by an article like this are probably not going to be as affected by a reval as those long time residents whose homes are valued at a quarter of the market rate.


The JC down town area has a ton of development going on, which makes it newsworthy for those who live in the general NYC area. I don't think anyone is attracted to JC simply by a NYT article. But it's nice to see it show up on the media's radar from time to time, as it should. And giving it that well-deserved attention goes a long way over time in building a general positive reputation, which IS a reason that people move to a new area.

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Interesting that the author goes on about the ever-booming DTJC real estate market without a single mention of the looming and inevitable tax revaluation which could stick the proverbial pin in the bubble.

Can just picture the NYC-to-DTJC transplants getting hit with a 50% markup in their property taxes a year after they buy. "But the NY Times never said anything about this!"

It's a NY Times fluff/trend piece. Their real estate section isn't exactly known for hard hitting journalism and I hardly think any casual reader cares about the intricacies of a property tax reval for a place they don't live.

Lastly, the very people that might be attracted to JC by an article like this are probably not going to be as affected by a reval as those long time residents whose homes are valued at a quarter of the market rate.

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It still boggles my mind that anyone would choose a place like Bushwick over DTJC when it costs the same...granted the PATH is nothing to write home about, but the extra 5-10 minutes late night is worth it for a much safer, cleaner, serviced, neighborhood.

I have been to BK many times, I don't get it. The best places in BK to live are off the beaten path, others are overpriced and full of hipsters, and the rest are unsafe and grimey.

Queens I get a little more if you work in East Midtown...but I still would take JC.

Also, people from NYC are familiar with NJ- the airport, the stadium, the Jersey Shore, the shopping, and people come across to visit friends in Hoboken and JC...and JC's proximity to the rest of NJ versus the dead end, dying economy LI and fancy overpriced Westchester is ANOTHER advantage of Hudson County life.

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You guys, this means only a few more trend pieces until Jersey City is truly, unquestionably relevant. Nice work.


Usually by the NY Times writes a trend piece, whatever trend they are writing about has already circled back to irrelevance.

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Hmmm, I wonder where I'll move to when I get priced out of DT... The Heights? Bayonne?


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I vote heights. Grew up in Bayonne and have family there. If you are a homebody type who wants a garage and yard, decent schools, and low crime, go for Bayonne. If you prefer a bit more diversity of arts, music, and culture I think the Heights has a lot more potential than Bayonne right now especially given the recent arts rezoning.

Harrison is probably just dandy but I'd be wary of relying on Newark for night life. I work in Newark and I don't think I've ever stayed here later than 9:30 pm at night (except for qxts).


If I moved to Harrison I foresee myself spending a lot of time at Krug's

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Interesting that the author goes on about the ever-booming DTJC real estate market without a single mention of the looming and inevitable tax revaluation which could stick the proverbial pin in the bubble.

Can just picture the NYC-to-DTJC transplants getting hit with a 50% markup in their property taxes a year after they buy. "But the NY Times never said anything about this!"

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No its shouldn't. This type of kiss-assery really needs to stop.


That's silly. Is all marketing "kiss-assery"?

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Hmmm, I wonder where I'll move to when I get priced out of DT... The Heights? Bayonne?


Harrison.


I vote heights. Grew up in Bayonne and have family there. If you are a homebody type who wants a garage and yard, decent schools, and low crime, go for Bayonne. If you prefer a bit more diversity of arts, music, and culture I think the Heights has a lot more potential than Bayonne right now especially given the recent arts rezoning.

Harrison is probably just dandy but I'd be wary of relying on Newark for night life. I work in Newark and I don't think I've ever stayed here later than 9:30 pm at night (except for qxts).

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