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Re: If she were armed with a firearm, this could have been prevented.
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user1111,
That wasn't the question though
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:58
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Yes, and NJ has no laws on the books saying she can't have a firearm in her home. My point is that the chance of this particular crime being stopped by the presence of a firearm in the home seems astonishingly small. If you're going to respond at least make coherent arguments of how a firearm used and stored in the manner recommended when you have small children at home, would have stopped this crime.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:58
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Even if she was armed chances are she would not have had time to get her gun... blah, blah, blah... invest in better locks and a good security system. If you try to break into my house it will take you a good hour and half before u get in... and hopefully once you get in my nanny cam will catch my dogs eating you alive.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:56
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moobycow,
If you're going to respond, at least answer the question on the table. Did this woman deserve a chance to defend her self, family, and property with a firearm?
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:54
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"It's not fair for you to speculate but please allow me to."
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:54
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this is an added reason why not to move to the 'burbs - crime.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:52
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So you advocate playing with your small children while carrying a loaded firearm? That doesn't seem to be a good risk/reward proposition 99.999% of the time.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:49
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We had this debate over 200 years ago. You either understand the 2nd Amendment or you do not. There's nothing new or terribly interesting here. For every dead kid the gun grabbers exploit, I'll present a life that could have been saved had our right to keep and bear arms not been infringed as written in the highest law of our land; our United States Constitution
If I could morph time and space, I'd put a loaded firearm in this woman's hand. Is anyone here really willing to tell me she and her family did not deserve that?
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:40
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I'll just repost what I said on a friend's facebook page.....
Good people need a chance to defend themselves. The question is how. Setting up a spring trap is illegal. As is mining your front yard. Advocates of gun control, at least rational ones, believe that, overall, the dangers and risks of having arms, even for legitimate self defense, outweighs the benefits. The video you showed is extremely disturbing. The news report I heard the other day of a 5 year old finding her parents gun and accidentally shooting herself is even more disturbing. A beat up mom on one side, a dead kid on the other. These issues can be discussed without saying that gun control advocates don't believe in the right to defend oneself. The Supreme Court, of course, has said that at least part of that debate is off the table, because the 2nd amendment demands that states recognize at least some right to firearm ownership regardless of the cost benefit analysis (I recall Justice Scalia claiming that a majority opinion "would certainly lead to to more Americans being killed" but he didn't seem to think that was a relevant issue in this case). So we have to continue the debate, albeit with some options taken off the table.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:21
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Right, I got that. That's the "thinking" that helped lead us to where we are now. Basically, a bunch of gooberment-mandated victims trying to ensure each and everyone is just as helpless as the rest. This woman should have been given a chance. It's disgusting to see NJ create and nurture a culture which makes this possible. Quote:
Hey, slow down there buddy. Not everyone is (or was) willing to sacrifice rights due to 9/11 or any other event. What's clear to me is that you are (like so many people nowadays) confusing "rights" with "privileges". Rights do not just get handed over. They're either upheld or violated; period.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:13
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Some of us don't feel that small chance she "could" have defended herself outweighs the extensively documented far increased odds that someone in her family would die by gunshot, in cases like this often by her own gun after someone far more used to violence has disarmed her. It amazes me how people have been willing to surrender all sorts of rights and bankrupt our country because 3000 people died 12 years ago, but tens of thousands of gun deaths each years for many decades gets a shrug, and a "that's the price of our freedom".
Posted on: 2013/6/25 18:02
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Oh, I'm sorry. For a minute there I thought you had an agenda.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:59
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Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:46
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Why the need to inject so much speculation?
The truth is simple. NJ, with its "gun control" agenda, is complicit in this and all similar attacks. I doubt a "gun grabber" would have the gall to tell this woman and her children they're glad she was unarmed. I'm not speculating and the topic stands. If this woman were armed, this *could* have been prevented. The key word in that topic is *could*. Meaning, she would have had a chance. The only reason she is NOT dead is because the attacker chose to let her live. The next victim may not be so fortunate.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:42
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The chances of having a gun ready and loaded while you are watching TV with your 3 year old seem pretty slim. There are cases when having a gun in the house would be very helpful, I doubt this is one.
If you are carrying around a loaded and ready weapon while playing with your kid, the kid is much more likely to be shot by you than you are to fend of an attack.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:32
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thank you for the links
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:32
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Here are the NJ.com pieces about the coward? Police search for Millburn robber captured by camera in home invasion http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013 ... nvasion.html#incart_river . Reward offered in brutal Millburn home invasion robbery caught on video http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/201 ... video.html#incart_m-rpt-1
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:30
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Criminals do not arm themselves according to the laws. That's why they're "criminals"
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:15
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It's a shame you believe our innate right to keep and bear arms is... "politics".
Then again, this isn't about you and I; it's about what happened to this woman, her family and her property. If she were armed, she would have had a chance to defend herself.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:12
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It is more likely that she would be dead. And relaxed gun laws would have made it more likely that the intruder would be armed, in which case she would also likely be dead. Fortunately, no guns were in sight and she is alive and he will be caught.
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:10
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Nice effort to bring politics into this. Her family would also be exponentially more likely to experience an accidental gun death. How about that?
Posted on: 2013/6/25 17:03
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A woman silently endures a brutal attack and robbery Friday in Millburn while her 3-year-old daughter watches from the couch and her 18-month-old sleeps upstairs.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime ... nny-cam-article-1.1381703
Posted on: 2013/6/25 16:43
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