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Re: Woman Robbed at Gunpoint - Montgomery & West Side - 5/19 - 11:30pm
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What does your white cop argument have to do with this woman being robbed?

Get some new material. Yes, some white police officers are getting a bad rap. Yes, it sucks!

Now this particular case is about a defensive woman being robbed at gun point.

Okay, so we will deem the robber black. NOW WHAT? Can you crack the case now Sherlock?

Does this black man have a tattoo, scar, or have a friend? What direction did he run in? SPC has a parking lot right there. Did their cameras catch anything? Did the Fiesta Grill catch anything? There is a billiard hall on the block? Is it possible the robber was a regular there?

Now that we know he is black - Do you have the rest of the pieces? I'm sure your Columbo skills will put the victim at ease. You can build an entire profile from a few sentences and a race? Are you going to go out and make a citizen arrest?


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Does the JCPD have this? http://sketchcop.com/

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That area is not bad especially around 11:30 pm.
Strange he made her take off her jacket and then dumped it with money in it further up Montgomery.


That JJ commenter is point on about the ?junk yard? on the corner of Montgomery and West Side. The city should do something about it.


That commenter is way off. Its not a junk yard at all. That corner they are referring to is an active auto repair service garage, with a large parking lot that is full. Its not a junk yard. A full lot, yes. But a working, legit business with no trash piles or excessive dumpsters beyond what a normal auto mechanic business would have onsite.

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You claimed the description is useless specifically because it omitted race?that race is ?the most important detail??not because it was otherwise vague. The issue is your conspicuous fixation with race and your use of racist speech.


And my claim was correct. Race is the most important detail as it allows you to most narrow the pool of potential suspects.


Skin color is not the most distinguishing characteristic an individual may possess, but at least you aren't subtle about what's driving you.


Of course it is. Drawing a conclusion about an individual from the color of their skin is wrong, but as an identifier, the only thing I can think of as being more important is gender. Or are we so politically correct that if you're robbed by a woman you can't print that, lol?

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You claimed the description is useless specifically because it omitted race?that race is ?the most important detail??not because it was otherwise vague. The issue is your conspicuous fixation with race and your use of racist speech.


And my claim was correct. Race is the most important detail as it allows you to most narrow the pool of potential suspects.


Skin color is not the most distinguishing characteristic an individual may possess, but at least you aren't subtle about what's driving you.

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In JC, there area lot of Hispanics that look black, lighter skinned black s who look like Egyptians and Latin Americans who look Asian. Unless one is racially pure, it's sometimes hard to say what one's ethnicity is.

Exactly! but these idiots probably didn't know that. A guy in the Midwest was raping women for years in the mid 90's and they were looking for a black man because this is what was reported, after 8 rapes and 2 murders, but then they found out it was a dark skinned Syrian dude who was never on the police radar because every black male was their suspect.

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I have never seen race reported in petty crimes. If this young lady was murdered we would know all we need to know. For example like a white cop shooting and killing a black man this is usually the headline.


You need to read non Jersey City news then. Even from nj.com, here are a couple examples from today.

"Police were dispatched to Church Street on May 21 at 10:09 p.m. for a report of three males chasing a man. Police located the victim, who reported that he was walking on Church Street when three black males roughly 25 years old appeared from the shadows and began chasing him."

"In the first incident, police said two men left behind a shopping cart filled with merchandise when approached by Walmart loss-prevention officers. Police aid the two fled on foot and left the scene in a dark-colored sedan. A third man then came along and took the shopping cart in an unknown direction.
A photo of the two suspects can be seen on the police department's Facebook page. The picture appears to show a heavy-set black male and a thinner accomplice pushing the shopping cart while inside the store."

"According to police, the suspect is a black male between the ages of 18 and 20, around 6 feet to 6 feet 2 inches tall, weighing between 160 and 180 pounds, black hair and brown eyes, wearing a black T-shirt and blue jeans at the time."

"According to a press release issued on Thursday, the robbery occurred at the Citgo gas station on Burlington-Mt. Holly Road at 2:30 a.m., when two white males in their late teens or very early 20s approached the attendant on foot."


If race isn't mentioned, I'm sure most people conjure up a picture of their stereotypical criminal.

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In JC, there area lot of Hispanics that look black, lighter skinned black s who look like Egyptians and Latin Americans who look Asian. Unless one is racially pure, it's sometimes hard to say what one's ethnicity is.

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Race has not been used to described a suspect since the 1980's unless its a homicide. This is the standard in reporting crimes. When race is used to describe someone It does nothing but widen the racial divide. Have a great holiday weekend.


Nonsense, I see race being used all the time in crime reports across NJ. If the identifier is correct, how is it racist to report it??


I have never seen race reported in petty crimes. If this young lady was murdered we would know all we need to know. For example like a white cop shooting and killing a black man this is usually the headline.


Shoplifting is a petty crime. Robbing someone with a handgun isn't a petty crime, unless you're in Greenville I suppose. Jeez.

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Race has not been used to described a suspect since the 1980's unless its a homicide. This is the standard in reporting crimes. When race is used to describe someone It does nothing but widen the racial divide. Have a great holiday weekend.


Nonsense, I see race being used all the time in crime reports across NJ. If the identifier is correct, how is it racist to report it??


I have never seen race reported in petty crimes. If this young lady was murdered we would know all we need to know. For example like a white cop shooting and killing a black man this is usually the headline.

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Race has not been used to described a suspect since the 1980's unless its a homicide. This is the standard in reporting crimes. When race is used to describe someone It does nothing but widen the racial divide. Have a great holiday weekend.


Nonsense, I see race being used all the time in crime reports across NJ. If the identifier is correct, how is it racist to report it??

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Race has not been used to described a suspect since the 1980's unless its a homicide. This is the standard in reporting crimes. When race is used to describe someone It does nothing but widen the racial divide. Have a great holiday weekend.


Funny, why is it when a white cop does something such as engage in self defense every national media outlet in the country has headlines proclaiming White Cop Does _____?

I guess that doesn't widen the racial divide. Have a nice weekend yourself.

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Race has not been used to described a suspect since the 1980's unless its a homicide. This is the standard in reporting crimes. When race is used to describe someone It does nothing but widen the racial divide. Have a great holiday weekend.

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In a city that proudly announces it's one of the most diverse in the country I would think any identifier would be useful-Asian man with green dreadlocks, or Caucasian man in hipster attire, or Black man in a hoodie.

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But that's not really the issue, we are talking about the point of publishing such a vague and useless description of the violent robber.


Not so fast. You claimed the description is useless specifically because it omitted race?that race is ?the most important detail??not because it was otherwise vague. The issue is your conspicuous fixation with race and your use of racist speech.


And my claim was correct. Race is the most important detail as it allows you to most narrow the pool of potential suspects. You're a big boy, you should have realized the point about the description being otherwise vague was self-evident, unless of course you think a description consisting of the robber's clothes is not vague.

You keep trying to weasel your way out of providing a justification for consciously choosing to sanitize pertinent details from a description of a violent robber. Since the point in publishing this description is to help the public identify the violent robber, scrubbing the description of important details and leaving us with a description of his clothes makes it almost impossible to identify him.

The irrational one is you, who apparently advocates for making it harder to identify violent robbery suspects.

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But that's not really the issue, we are talking about the point of publishing such a vague and useless description of the violent robber.


Not so fast. You claimed the description is useless specifically because it omitted race?that race is ?the most important detail??not because it was otherwise vague. The issue is your conspicuous fixation with race and your use of racist speech.

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Again, if you think one more common adjective is the difference between a useless description and a useful one, it?s because you are not being rational.


I suppose you are right in implying it's redundant to say the violent robber is black because it's so common for that group to commit such robberies.


I neither implied nor believe any such thing, and by trying to project disingenuous ideals that you?re rightly uncomfortable claiming as your own on to somebody else, you?re being even less rational.


Well statistically speaking it's the case. We can speculate all day as to the causes but the result is irrefutable that young black men, a tiny portion of any population, commit a staggering and disproportionate amount of violent crime.

But that's not really the issue, we are talking about the point of publishing such a vague and useless description of the violent robber.

I can see the point of view that adding his race may not help much, but it will help find him, no? Why bother publishing a description of his clothes, as if that will accomplish anything?

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Again, if you think one more common adjective is the difference between a useless description and a useful one, it?s because you are not being rational.


I suppose you are right in implying it's redundant to say the violent robber is black because it's so common for that group to commit such robberies.


I neither implied nor believe any such thing, and by trying to project disingenuous ideals that you?re rightly uncomfortable claiming as your own on to somebody else, you?re being even less rational.

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If you don't see a massive difference between choosing to publish a description that could apply to 50% of the population vs. 6%, you have a tenuous grasp on statistics.


Tenuous grasp on statistics indeed?the numbers you?re using to justify your perception of reality aren?t even close to being relevant for our city. Again, if you think one more common adjective is the difference between a useless description and a useful one, it?s because you are not being rational.


I suppose you are right in implying it's redundant to say the violent robber is black because it's so common for that group to commit such robberies. Still, publishing such a vague description doesn't really benefit anybody.


To me, publishing that he's black is still too vague to make any kind of an impact.


So why bother publishing a description at all? All the article chose to publish were his clothes and the fact that he was tall and thin. Utterly useless.

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If you don't see a massive difference between choosing to publish a description that could apply to 50% of the population vs. 6%, you have a tenuous grasp on statistics.


Tenuous grasp on statistics indeed?the numbers you?re using to justify your perception of reality aren?t even close to being relevant for our city. Again, if you think one more common adjective is the difference between a useless description and a useful one, it?s because you are not being rational.


I suppose you are right in implying it's redundant to say the violent robber is black because it's so common for that group to commit such robberies. Still, publishing such a vague description doesn't really benefit anybody.


To me, publishing that he's black is still too vague to make any kind of an impact.

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If you don't see a massive difference between choosing to publish a description that could apply to 50% of the population vs. 6%, you have a tenuous grasp on statistics.


Tenuous grasp on statistics indeed?the numbers you?re using to justify your perception of reality aren?t even close to being relevant for our city. Again, if you think one more common adjective is the difference between a useless description and a useful one, it?s because you are not being rational.


I suppose you are right in implying it's redundant to say the violent robber is black because it's so common for that group to commit such robberies. Still, publishing such a vague description doesn't really benefit anybody.

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If you don't see a massive difference between choosing to publish a description that could apply to 50% of the population vs. 6%, you have a tenuous grasp on statistics.


Tenuous grasp on statistics indeed?the numbers you?re using to justify your perception of reality aren?t even close to being relevant for our city. Again, if you think one more common adjective is the difference between a useless description and a useful one, it?s because you are not being rational.

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Amazing how the article even bothers to give a description of the robber while omitting the most important detail: his race.


I've been thinking about this, and increasingly I think it's sensible on behalf of the powers-that-be. Most people, in my experience, are not terribly observant. Given height, weight, and ethnicity, the average JC resident would probably see a dozen such individuals on their way to work, and would probably focus on the one fact that stuck with them..


Then there is no point in publishing a description at all.

Instead, we have a sanitized description which is utterly useless. Here is what the article says: "The woman described the robber as a tall and thin, and wearing dark jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt, the police report said."


More information obviously helps form a more comprehensive picture, but if you think one more common adjective would make this particular description so much less vague that it would spell the difference between useless and useful or between sanitized and raw, it?s because you?re assigning your own conspicuously exaggerated, irrational emphasis to it.


Men are roughly 50% of the population. Since blacks of both genders are only 12% of the population, black men are roughly only 6% of the population.

If you don't see a massive difference between choosing to publish a description that could apply to 50% of the population vs. 6%, you have a tenuous grasp on statistics.

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Amazing how the article even bothers to give a description of the robber while omitting the most important detail: his race.


I've been thinking about this, and increasingly I think it's sensible on behalf of the powers-that-be. Most people, in my experience, are not terribly observant. Given height, weight, and ethnicity, the average JC resident would probably see a dozen such individuals on their way to work, and would probably focus on the one fact that stuck with them..


Then there is no point in publishing a description at all.

Instead, we have a sanitized description which is utterly useless. Here is what the article says: "The woman described the robber as a tall and thin, and wearing dark jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt, the police report said."


More information obviously helps form a more comprehensive picture, but if you think one more common adjective would make this particular description so much less vague that it would spell the difference between useless and useful or between sanitized and raw, it?s because you?re assigning your own conspicuously exaggerated, irrational emphasis to it.

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Amazing how the article even bothers to give a description of the robber while omitting the most important detail: his race.


I've been thinking about this, and increasingly I think it's sensible on behalf of the powers-that-be. Most people, in my experience, are not terribly observant. Given height, weight, and ethnicity, the average JC resident would probably see a dozen such individuals on their way to work, and would probably focus on the one fact that stuck with them.

Sadly, I think that would be race. I could see far more innocent people being swept into some sort of "dragnet" by over-zealous neighbors, and the police receiving very few useful tips.


Then there is no point in publishing a description at all.

Instead, we have a sanitized description which is utterly useless. Here is what the article says:

"The woman described the robber as a tall and thin, and wearing dark jeans, sneakers and a sweatshirt, the police report said."

A police report always includes race so this was a conscious decision by this newspaper not to include it. I'm saying publish a real description or don't bother at all.

Of course we all know the paper decided not to publish the race due to political correctness, and fear of backlash from liberals who are more outraged when a black man is identified as a robber or murderer (because it "furthers stereotypes"), than the underlying crime itself.

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Amazing how the article even bothers to give a description of the robber while omitting the most important detail: his race.


I've been thinking about this, and increasingly I think it's sensible on behalf of the powers-that-be. Most people, in my experience, are not terribly observant. Given height, weight, and ethnicity, the average JC resident would probably see a dozen such individuals on their way to work, and would probably focus on the one fact that stuck with them.

Sadly, I think that would be race. I could see far more innocent people being swept into some sort of "dragnet" by over-zealous neighbors, and the police receiving very few useful tips.

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That area is not bad especially around 11:30 pm.
Strange he made her take off her jacket and then dumped it with money in it further up Montgomery.


That JJ commenter is point on about the ?junk yard? on the corner of Montgomery and West Side. The city should do something about it.

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Amazing how the article even bothers to give a description of the robber while omitting the most important detail: his race.

Statistically speaking however, I think we all know what he looked like.

But rest assured, if a white cop does something, every media outlet in the country will loudly broadcast his race.

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By Erika Solorzano | The Jersey Journal
on May 20, 2015 at 4:00 PM, updated May 20, 2015 at 5:58 PM

JERSEY CITY -- A city woman was robbed of her cell phone and purse at gunpoint last night on the corner of Montgomery and West Side Avenue, police say.

The 24-year-old was walking home around 11:30 p.m. when she felt something on the back of her head, a police report said.

When the woman turned around, a man pointed a handgun at her and said "gimme everything," police said. She handed him her purse and the jean jacket she was wearing.

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