vindication15 wrote:
Yvonne - those gay people you rented to - did you ask them if they were sexually active? Cause if you did not and they are, you are providing them with a huge opportunity to "live in sin" as you may call it. Much more directly than any baker. I think you should think about it and ask for forgiveness.

In other news, a Jehova witness who makes it through medical school and training sues jersey city medical center because they are forcing him to give a blood transfusion to a patient. Local resident Yvonne argues that the Jehova witness has rights too!

Yvonne wrote:
Sorry, rescue, you are rationalizing and has I said before a quote from my late mother: Rationalization is the root of all evil. This judge discriminate against heterosexual couples. She caused an inconvenience to them. They had to re-arrange their lives because she took a stand against them because they are not gay.

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Here is the hyprocisy jcscout, same sex activists go after people of faith because they do not drink the kool-aid. There are plenty of examples of extreme on the other end and nothing happens. I am posting an article from 2012 where a judge who is lesbian stated she would not marry hetersexual couples. Nothing happens, she is not disbarred yet there are plenty of examples of bakers, florists, etc who are fined and some lose their business. Same sex activists have something in common with ISIS, they both go after Christians.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... couples-article-1.1027709

Yvonne wrote:
Here is the hyprocisy jcscout, same sex activists go after people of faith because they do not drink the kool-aid. There are plenty of examples of extreme on the other end and nothing happens. I am posting an article from 2012 where a judge who is lesbian stated she would not marry hetersexual couples. Nothing happens, she is not disbarred yet there are plenty of examples of bakers, florists, etc who are fined and some lose their business. Same sex activists have something in common with ISIS, they both go after Christians.
http://m.nydailynews.com/news/nationa ... couples-article-1.1027709

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As I stated before, I cannot go to a Kosher or Muslim restaurant and asked for ham on rye. This is the same thing, forcing someone to violate a core belief of their faith.

Except it is not the same at all.

You are arguing that you should be able to force the Kosher or Muslim business owner to carry an item that goes against tenets of their own faith.

That is not the same as saying that a bakery, which already sells cakes, can choose not to sell their cake to a potential customer because of their faith, sexual orientation, ethnicity.

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Americans visit Arabs countries and sometimes there is an emergency, I have never read someone who was deny health service because the person does not wear a headscarf.

You realize that you are arguing against your own point here, right?

No I am not. I have said in previous posts, I do not have the right and I have notice how people here did not bring up the subject that gay friendly bakeries would not bake a cake with Levitcus 18:22.

I believe in the First Amendment which states there should be no state religion and government should not interfere. Government has been interfering when it dictates their law based on 5 members of the Supreme Court is greater than the First Amendment on religion.

I am not a baker, if I was I think I would have a sign in my bakery that states this: Any profits from same sex cakes would go to the law firms that fight for religious freedom for individuals who are being sued over same sex marriage.

Really the goal is to put people of faith out of business by same sex activists. Now I wonder how much business I would get?

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As I stated before, I cannot go to a Kosher or Muslim restaurant and asked for ham on rye. This is the same thing, forcing someone to violate a core belief of their faith.

Except it is not the same at all.

You are arguing that you should be able to force the Kosher or Muslim business owner to carry an item that goes against tenets of their own faith.

That is not the same as saying that a bakery, which already sells cakes, can choose not to sell their cake to a potential customer because of their faith, sexual orientation, ethnicity.

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Americans visit Arabs countries and sometimes there is an emergency, I have never read someone who was deny health service because the person does not wear a headscarf.

You realize that you are arguing against your own point here, right?

Yvonne wrote:
As I stated before, I cannot go to a Kosher or Muslim restaurant and asked for ham on rye. This is the same thing, forcing someone to violate a core belief of their faith.

Yvonne wrote:
Americans visit Arabs countries and sometimes there is an emergency, I have never read someone who was deny health service because the person does not wear a headscarf.

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I absolutely think people should have the right to turn away customers based on their religion.

Okay, now we?re getting to it. If religion was sufficient grounds to deny service on a selective basis in the USA, a paramedic might be able to deny care to a woman because she isn?t wearing a hijab. Are you sure that?s what you want for America?

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I absolutely think people should have the right to turn away customers based on their religion.

Frank_M wrote:
I understand your opinion Yvonne, mostly anyway. What I'd still like to know is how how your standards might apply to others.

You're saying that a business owner should be able to deny service to customers whe are are "in cooperation with sin." If so, aren't there consumers of other goods and services who are implicating the providers of those things in allegedly sinful activities, with the vendor's awareness?

Should a Catholic doctor or pharmacist be able to deny birth control or reproductive choices to patients? Should a public defender be able to deny representation to a defendant with a prior record of stealing and is again accused of the same offense? Can a jeweler deny the sale of a gem because the customer is into woo? Should a florist also be able to turn away a long-married person who wants to buy roses with a card thanking their lover for the night of their life, since it's obviously not for his or her spouse?

Yvonne, other than gay people who want to get married, who else should be denied service specifically because it would allegedly force the propietor to "cooperate with sin"?

Yvonne wrote:
Here is the deal, the church did not change its teaching to upset gays. Its teaching has already existed before the USA existed. People here are using this to attack people of faith, especially Catholics. I don't see people attacking Muslims for their belief of dropping gays off the roof of buildings or using the gallows. This is what I call liberal double standards. Remember the lie that gay marriage will not effect anyone. Personally, I will not call Jesus, the son of God, a liar on marriage, but that is your free will. I draw the line in the sand on insulting someone I worship.

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There is a difference between not selling a birthday cake to a gay person and not participating in selling a wedding cake. The first would be a sin for being mean to a gay person, the second would be cooperating with sin.

neverleft wrote:
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West New York 28-year-old admits getting 14-year-old pregnant: authorities

By Michaelangelo Conte | The Jersey Journal
on November 29, 2016 at 8:54 AM, updated November 29, 2016 at 1:45 PM

JERSEY CITY -- A 28-year-old West New York man has been charged with having sex with a 14-year-old girl and getting her pregnant.

Edvin Jorge was arrested on Nov. Friday and charged with sexual assault and endangering the welfare of a child, the criminal complaint says.

Authorities say the girl told investigators she had sex with Jorge and became pregnant. The 28-year-old also gave a statement in which he admitted having sex with the girl about 10 times, the complaint says.

Jorge's bail was set yesterday in Superior Court at $125,000 and he was ordered to have no contact with the girl.

He told the court he is from Guatamala and he is in the United States illegally when he made his first court appearance on the charges yesterday in Central Judicial Processing court in Jersey City via video link from Hudson County jail in Kearny.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... r.html#incart_river_index

Yvonne wrote:

...let me repeat, bakers, florists, etc. should not be forced to do something against their beliefs.

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Yvonne wrote:
The last time I check the First Amendment say there should be no state religion and government should not interfere (with religion.) So I suggest everyone back off because government has no right to tell me what to believe. That also includes the people on JCList.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I don't think you understand what the First Amendment means, and how it relates to other established legal principles.

The First Amendment guarantees that the US Congress will not establish a law that prohibits your right to practice your religion freely. But, established jurisprudence also dictates that your rights end where the rights of others begin. Do you understand that principle and how rights enshrined in our Constitution can be limited or suppressed?? Imagine, if you will, a religion that calls for its adherents to murder a virgin woman every other month to atone for sins. Do you think those people should be allowed to murder women just because their religion calls for it? Of course not. They are free to believe what they want, and to exercise their religion. But, their freedom and rights can not trample the rights and freedoms of other people. That's why it is accepted by most rational people that open discrimination against protected classes, even when under the guise of religion, is not aceptable and therefore made illegal. Can you understand that?

Yvonne wrote:
The last time I check the First Amendment say there should be no state religion and government should not interfere (with religion.) So I suggest everyone back off because government has no right to tell me what to believe. That also includes the people on JCList.

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Only on JCList would someone say it is racist that American jobs should go to American citizens. That is the focus of my letter, I have seen many citizens, some personal friends get downsize and later their former companies hire H1B people. I have seen immigrants line up in Union City waiting to be hired by construction crews while Africian Americans asked to be hire by the same company. JC gives generous tax abatements with the idea local people are hired. The American citizen is being screwed. Yet they are the one who make sacrifices to this country especially during war times. I don't apologize for my statement.

If your American friends were better at their jobs, they wouldn't have lost them.

You're a bigot that's made anti-homosexual comments. Now, you're targeting immigrants. It sounds to me like whatever friends you have that lost jobs deservedly lost them. Tell your friends to improve their knowledge and then re-apply. Maybe they'll have a shot.

As someone that hires people (and am presently interviewing daily), if someone comes in and complains that they lost their job because the other person was an immigrant, they damn sure won't be paid by me.

You are putting Americans last, which makes you anti-America. Referring to my comments on gays, let me repeat, bakers, florists, etc. should not be forced to do something against their beliefs. Actually, I have rented to gays, but I will not call Jesus a liar when he said a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife and the two will be one flesh. The definition of marriage. I will not call Jesus a liar on the definition of marriage. But you have the free will to do that. You are a liberal who hate people who do not follow what you believe. You are not tolerate of other people's faith. Here is a woman who is following her faith, she will serve gays but will not violate her religion. You have no idea how strong faith is probably because you lack it yourself. http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/8608

"Actually, I have rented to gays,"
Lol, do you think that makes you some kind of saint, nice job bigot?
Keep talking, you are comedy gold.

I am glad I made you laugh, however, I will not call Jesus a liar on marriage. My faith comes first. People without faith are clueless. No one should dictate what I should believe. That is the problem with liberals. They say they are tolerant but they are not tolerant when people of faith put God first. They are hyprocrites.

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Only on JCList would someone say it is racist that American jobs should go to American citizens. That is the focus of my letter, I have seen many citizens, some personal friends get downsize and later their former companies hire H1B people. I have seen immigrants line up in Union City waiting to be hired by construction crews while Africian Americans asked to be hire by the same company. JC gives generous tax abatements with the idea local people are hired. The American citizen is being screwed. Yet they are the one who make sacrifices to this country especially during war times. I don't apologize for my statement.

If your American friends were better at their jobs, they wouldn't have lost them.

You're a bigot that's made anti-homosexual comments. Now, you're targeting immigrants. It sounds to me like whatever friends you have that lost jobs deservedly lost them. Tell your friends to improve their knowledge and then re-apply. Maybe they'll have a shot.

As someone that hires people (and am presently interviewing daily), if someone comes in and complains that they lost their job because the other person was an immigrant, they damn sure won't be paid by me.

You are putting Americans last, which makes you anti-America. Referring to my comments on gays, let me repeat, bakers, florists, etc. should not be forced to do something against their beliefs. Actually, I have rented to gays, but I will not call Jesus a liar when he said a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife and the two will be one flesh. The definition of marriage. I will not call Jesus a liar on the definition of marriage. But you have the free will to do that. You are a liberal who hate people who do not follow what you believe. You are not tolerate of other people's faith. Here is a woman who is following her faith, she will serve gays but will not violate her religion. You have no idea how strong faith is probably because you lack it yourself. http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/8608

"Actually, I have rented to gays,"
Lol, do you think that makes you some kind of saint, nice job bigot?
Keep talking, you are comedy gold.

I am glad I made you laugh, however, I will not call Jesus a liar on marriage. My faith comes first. People without faith are clueless. No one should dictate what I should believe. That is the problem with liberals. They say they are tolerant but they are not tolerant when people of faith put God first. They are hyprocrites.

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Yvonne wrote:
Only on JCList would someone say it is racist that American jobs should go to American citizens. That is the focus of my letter, I have seen many citizens, some personal friends get downsize and later their former companies hire H1B people. I have seen immigrants line up in Union City waiting to be hired by construction crews while Africian Americans asked to be hire by the same company. JC gives generous tax abatements with the idea local people are hired. The American citizen is being screwed. Yet they are the one who make sacrifices to this country especially during war times. I don't apologize for my statement.

If your American friends were better at their jobs, they wouldn't have lost them.

You're a bigot that's made anti-homosexual comments. Now, you're targeting immigrants. It sounds to me like whatever friends you have that lost jobs deservedly lost them. Tell your friends to improve their knowledge and then re-apply. Maybe they'll have a shot.

As someone that hires people (and am presently interviewing daily), if someone comes in and complains that they lost their job because the other person was an immigrant, they damn sure won't be paid by me.

You are putting Americans last, which makes you anti-America. Referring to my comments on gays, let me repeat, bakers, florists, etc. should not be forced to do something against their beliefs. Actually, I have rented to gays, but I will not call Jesus a liar when he said a man leaves his father and mother and clings to his wife and the two will be one flesh. The definition of marriage. I will not call Jesus a liar on the definition of marriage. But you have the free will to do that. You are a liberal who hate people who do not follow what you believe. You are not tolerate of other people's faith. Here is a woman who is following her faith, she will serve gays but will not violate her religion. You have no idea how strong faith is probably because you lack it yourself. http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/8608

"Actually, I have rented to gays,"
Lol, do you think that makes you some kind of saint, nice job bigot?
Keep talking, you are comedy gold.