I went and checked out the house, I can't see how you have a nice view of New York. The area is crappy and is too busy. If I am going to spend that much money on something I would like alittle piece and quiet. It sits right in the middle of everything, next to a busy firehouse, ambulances up and down Newark Ave all day and night. Not to mention not too far from a seedy looking bar.

I blame the neighborhood, they know who the drug dealers are and the people causing all the problems why don't they speak up and tell the cops.

I had a similar problem growing up in my nieghborhood, I lived in a nice quiet section of Jersey City when all of a sudden we started to get our homes broken into. Well then we started to notice junkies and drug dealers on the corner. A few people were mugged on thier way home at night. Well one day we all got together and said enough was enough and started to call the police. They would come by and chase them away but used to tell us that they couldn't arrest anyone because they couldn't prove they were dealing drugs. When we found out who was dealing we told the cops and told them where they were hiding the drugs. It took alittle time but before we knew it our nieghborhood was ours again.

If the people in the area want something done they are going to have to speak up tell the police who exactly is doing what, give some names. You can't use the excuse that they are afraid because they have to live there. There are plenty of ways to tell the police. Annonymous phone calls, give a good description and if you have a name give that too. You mean to tell me after three shootings in that area not one person saw something. I find that hard to believe.

I smell cover up, something tells me the doctor may have screwed up and is trying to hide from it. What would cause them to throw out a dead body, seems to me maybe something went wrong and someone figured you get in less trouble if you claim the baby was stillborn and dispose of the body than let people find out what really happened and face real charges.

Someone should look at that doctors track record and see if he/she has had any other mishaps with deliveries. What about the paperwork where did it go, wait let me guess thats missing too.

Something smells rotten in Denmark......

I can't believe people are still complaining about this, for people out there that claim to be so educated and so intelligent you just don't get it. Let me explain it to you one more time. It doesn't matter how much you spend in any of the stores, or when you make the purchases, the moment you step out of the lot you are NO LONGER A CUSTOMER of the stores and have NO LEGAL right to be in the lot. If the tow company sees you leave for any reason, and there is no time limit on how long you have to be gone first, they can tow your car. For the reporting your car stolen first it won't do you any good you will still have to pay the fees. A friend of mine had his car towed from there and he went to the police thinking it was stolen and they told him the first thing they do whenever a car is being reported stolen from anywhere is to call the tow companies and the impound lot to see if it there first before filing a report so that idea is out the window aside from being completely illegal anyway.

I don't understand why for whatever reason people still keep copmplaining about this you can't win because if you could someone on here would have already written about it. It's PRIVATE property they set the rules, this would no different if someone put there car in your driveway. So get it thropugh your heads people stop parking there and going to the mall.

Well people there it is , the statement I've been waiting for. The grandmother, the woman who raised him, the one that knew him best. I consider her word bond. I guess this means we're going to have to find the police guilty of excessive use of force, they never should of shot this guy. According to granny he wasn't going to shot the police. Just because he has had three prior conviction, that he has plead guilty to by the way, doesn't mean he was going to pull the gun out on the police. He's a changed man, he has seen the error of his ways, I'm sorry granny I should have spoken to you before I left my last post, what was I thinking. I don't know why the police didn't go directly to grannys house and asked her if her grandson would be capable of commiting such an act, because granny wouldn't lie. Yes he admmited to making a few mistakes in life, I can understand someone might break the law if they were desperate and realize it was a mistake, and want to mend thier ways. I think that is what happened here, he SAW the light after his THIRD conviction of weapons and drugs offense, he FOUND his way to the PATH of righteousness and truth. I watch those programs on cable t.v. lockup abroad, and lockdown"San Quentin", and "Peliquin Bay", they are all missunderstood individuals who made, " Alittle mistake in life and want to repent and be forgiven and possibly given another chance in this world to live in peace and harmony amongst society. They found the errors of thier ways and realized that they made a mistake have been punished for it and now want to be a respected, upstanding, lawabiding citizen. I mean after all he must be a changed man when the police asked who had the drugs he was honest enough to admit to having it in his pocket and was more than willing to hand it over, he just forgot he had that gun in his pocket, I can see that happening, I mean I've put thing in my pockets and forgotten they were there. I mean just because he made a few mistakes doesn't make him a bad guy.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME...

I don't get it you expect me to believe the word of the guy who was in the front seat of the car. I'm sure he sat in the front seat and the cops let him turn around and watch his friend reach for the drugs. I've seen enough of those cops shows to know that when the cops have a car stopped they don't let the passengers make eye contact or move around in the car. Maybe we should take the word of granny after all why would she lie for her grandson, she admmited he made some mistakes in life and now is looking to make a new man out of himself, give me a break. You make one mistake in life and you tell yourself I'm never going to do that again. You change your life around if you really want too. I can honest agree with someone making a big mistake like committing a crime with a gun and going to jail and realizing it was the wrong thing to do, a desperate act, but not when you do it again, and again, and again. Sorry granny but you'd better come up with some better witnesses if you want me to believe that story other than the guy in the front seat.

Oh I forgot to add to "Alb" I'm not sure where you grew up or where you are living now but 1:41 am is in the middle of the night not BROAD DAY LIGHT.

Lets take a moment to look at the big picture here, 1. The vehicle that was stopped because it fit the description of a vehicle used in an armed robbery earlier, 2. The officers could smell the "DIP", which by the way if anyone has had the unfortunate pleasure of smelling has a distinctive and harsh odor. 3. The DEAD GUY tells the police he has the drugs. 4. The DEAD GUY reaches for what the police officers thinks is the drugs but instead reaches for a loaded handgun. 5 I dont think the DEAD GUYs intent was to give up the gun to the cops because why would he have been struggling with the first cop who grabbed it to take it away from him. 6. This woman Ms. Collazo who is she and how does she fit in, does she live in the neighborhood, was she driving by, maybe it was an echo, maybe there were three shots fired, maybe the DEAD GUY fired a shot and they haven't found the casing yet.

Bottom line is this the police stopped a car that fit the description of a vehicle used in a robbery ealier, they were well within thier rights to stop the vehicle, they were able to detect the odor of a known drug, well within thier rights to investigate the DEAD GUY admits to having the drug on him and reaches for it, instead of pulling out the drugs he pulls out a loaded gun, which by the way as a convicted felon he is not ALLOWED to have especially if it was for having an illegal firearm before, and fights with the police who are trying to take it from him, So they feared for thier safety and the safety of anyone else who he might harm with it if he got away and shot him in SELF DEFENSE, after all like I said if he had wanted to just give the gun up he would have told the police he had a gun and they would have taken it from him.

So why the big discussion, oh wait we can't forget about the Ms. Collazo who claims they kicked a man while he was on the ground, where was she standing when this happened how does she know he was actually being kicked are you to say he drew his leg back and gave the guy a kick. Everyone is always out to try and find something wrong with what they did and how they should be trained better I think everyone on here should list thier profession so we all can have a crack at you.

I think my broker is doing a horrible job, because if he was doing his job right I should be able to give him a thousand dollars and he should have made me enough money so I would be retired by now, I think the auto manufacturers are terrible because if they knoew what they were doing we wouldn't be paying so much for gas. I think some of the cooks in downtown need to go back to school for retraining because I don't think they are up to par.

I think the officers used great restraint after all the guy WITH THE GUN only got twice, they didn't open fire on the entire vehicle, nor did you hear how anyone elsa in the vehicle needed to taken to the hospital for any treatment after being brutaly beaten, as a matter of fact they were let go, not even charged, which by the way they could have been.

They auotmatically claim this guy is an EDP, emotionally disturbed person, well then put him where he can't hurt anyone ever again. I have a friend who used to work in a prison for people like that , it is in Trenton. It's called Anne Klien Forensic it's a jail for EDPs. They have real bars and real cells, and you don't get out until a doctor thinks you are fit for society, which from my understanding can be a very long time. It's not your tradition hospital that holds you for a few months and once they think you are going to continue to take your medicine they let you go. Of course you are behaved while you are in there you have to take the medicine they give you otherwise they don't let you out. In there you stay until a doctor thinks that you can walk amongst society without harming them.

It's a Jersey City public school, why are we letting kids in from out of town. I know that if you want to go to a school outside your district in Jersey City you have to get permission. The spaces are limited and giving them to kids from outside the school system is unfair your depriving our kids of getting a good education. Some of these kids can't afford to go to Prep or Hudson Catholic or any other private school. What would happen if some of Jersey City kids went to a public school out of town just because thier parents worked in that city or for the city, the parents would be in an uproar saying that it was unfair. So I say send them back to whatever system they are from and let the Jersey City kids in.

Mulligan roofing , they are in the phone book. Family owned business.

The way I read it is that he has been shot before, beaten with a bottle and stabbed with a machete.

I don't know if this guy gets the hint or not but something tells me he shouldn't leave his house, I've heard of having bad luck.

If it happened on the platform she should notify Port Authority Police they have cameras all over the place maybe they can help her.

NNJR I have no connection to the tow companies, I read these threads day after day about people complaining about the size of the signs,how unfair it is that you can't park there to go to the mall, how the tow drivers won't give the car up if you don't pay. It's simple just don't shop there, why does someone come up with a petition to not the store manager but to the corporation of shop rite or whoever owns the lot. Tell them about the tow company and how nobody wants to shop there because they feear thier car may be accidently towed and the only way to get it back and to pay an outrageous fee and you have to go to court and PROVE that you never left the lot in oreder to sue for your money back.

I was parked in Modells lot one day, I was in there about an hour or so tryin on sneakers and clothes, I just happened to walk past the front entrance and saw thier tow company putting my car on a hook. I ran out of the storeew and yelled at the guy, at first he wasn't going to put my car down, I finally told him go ahead take it and I was going to have him arrested for stealing my car, and then sue the tow company for every penny I could squeeze out of them and he didn't stand a chance in hell to win because I was on vidoe the entire time in the store. He put my car down and left. So how do I fix this I don't shop in Modells anymore.

So do like everyone says and shop somewhere else, the corpation will feel it in thier pockets.

This is not the first time an incident like this has happened in that nieghborhood, they need to sweep the entire area. Everyone needs to be involved, the police , DEA , Immigration, DYFS, State Police. They need to do repeated drug raids, all people arrested should have thier children taken from them , they should have the IRS come in an examine the tax returns for these people and sieze thier homes if they can't prove the income they are bringing in supports the life style they arre living, take thier cars, let immigration DEPORT anyone that is not legally here. I'm not just saying this about this nieghborhood in particular they should do this in all areas where there is a high drug problem. Take the money they conficate and put it to good use , use it towards supporting the now homeless children, forget about the drug rehab centers they want to kill themselves give them the option either jail or or quit and get a jog and make yourself useful to this world. If you choose jail then make them work in jail that will be productive not just sit around all day wasting my money. Why should my taxes go towards hepling people get off drugs. I am so tired of hearing about the less fortunate people of this city and how they have no opportunity to advance, they have plenty of programs out there to help them get an education, training for jobs for free, meanwhile the rest of use are putting ourselves in debt to get better educations so we can get better paying jobs. On my days off when I in the city all I see are pepople sitting around on street corners day after day, you can't tell me they are all off that day. I left the house one day and saw this group of guys, young mid 20's early 30's, sitting outside of a house I left work early that day around 4pm and saw the same gruop still sitting there this time they were all drunk. I have to be honest here I go to work everyday even when I don't feel like it, and we've all had a job in our lives that we didn't like but went to it because it was all we had and needed to pay our bills, but we did it anyway. So why can't they I've heard people say they won't work in a fastfood resturant or pump gas because it's beneath them, well when you don't have an education what do you want, h*ll at least its honest money. I've some of the worst paying jobs in the world ,I've had some of the best paying jobs in the world I tell you this me personally I have never made fun of someone for the position they hold in life as far as I am concerned as long as you are legally working you are OK in my book. So for all that are reading this do us all a favor and get off your butts and become a productive part of this society and if you can't read then ask a friend to read it to you. Everyone has something to say about the immigrants coming to this conutry and taking jobs, why complain you aren't doin them anyway, at least they are willing to work. I think we should have an exchange program take all the people of the world who want to work and be productive and bring them here, then take all the people who want to sit around all day and have things handed to them and ship them off to an island, a barren wasteland and let them fend for themselves. That will make them alittle more appreciative of what they have here.

I have a good friend of mine who came to this country as a child, couldn't speak english. Managed to learn the language,left home at the age of 14 because he didn't agree with his fathers way of thinking, his father didn't like the american culture, worked at night while he went to high school during the day, had to work two full time jobs while he was putting himself through college because he made too much money for financial aid, so he had to take out loans to pay for school. Took him seven years to get his degree. So if he could do with all things against him then so can others.

So before we get into a great debate on the social economics of the nieghborhood and they are disadvantaged and how the people there are uneducated that is why they reacted the way they did when the police showed up on a DRUG raid, lets stop and just leave it as some,not all, of the people there just don't care they don't care how they live, they just want to do whatever they want when they want and don't belive they have to be responsible for or held repsonsible for anything. Some of them believe that they shouldn't have to follow the rules because its thier nieghborhood and nobody should be able to tell them how they have to live in it. And its not just that nieghborhood, there are others just like it. Well to that I say too bad if the rest of have to follow the rules then so should you.

Thank you for your time.

I can't believe you people are still complaining about the towing, here it goes one more time, STOP PARKING THERE IF YOU DO NOT INTEND TO SHOP THER YOU WILL BE TOWED, did we get it . As far as whether or not they are towing cars illegally I haven't heard of any court cases that pepole have sued the tow company for taking thier car ilegally so I guess what they are doing isn't illegal. As for the BJs shopping carts its the BJs lot why wouldn't there be BJs shopping carts in the picture.

Why is trash a matter for the police, whatever happened to those NID guys wasn't it thier responsibility to keep the streets cleans. How about the store owners aren't they responsible to keep the sidewalks clean. As a homeownwer I am responsible to keep my property clean. I'm not going to say anything bad about Frank the pizza man because I don't really know him, I don't personaly care for his pizza, but how can you say he is going to make a good councilman just because he makes good pizza. What does he stand for what has he done, apparently not enough in his own community if there is always litter. I've seen that section of Monmouth its filthy. Always a bunch of kids outside making all kinds of noise. Let's hear from him I haven't heard anything that he plans on doing, changes he wants to make.

Yes people another victim of a senseless crime, let me guess he didn't see anything and neither did anyone else. A street fight breaks out yet nobody sees or hears anything. How does one person show up to a fight with a machete and nobody sees a thing. Wait let me guess he was attacked by a NINJA. The ancient art of NINJITSU is still practiced in Jersey City and this guy made enemies with one, so he swooped down and in the middle of a street fight without being detected cut a man with a machete, ninjas of the 21st century don't use swords anymore, and slashed the man then proceeded to vanished into the night without being without a single eyewitness. Or it was a JEDI master who used his mind tricks to make himself invisble to all figuring let me use a machete because a light saber would draw too much attention to himself, cut the man and speed away on his speeder bike.

I have an idea lets violate everyones 4th amendment right and search every person that walks around in Montgomery Gardens. That will get all the guns off the street. Heartbreaking stories, sure. I see these children, and I use that term loosely, have no real discipline and guidance. That I blame on the parents. Maybe if the kids didn't think it would be cool to shoot people we would have less crime. I myself and not a big fan of the cops but lets face it people we can't blame them for eveything. You want them to stop crime but if you see them doing something that you don't think is right your the first to say they are violating someones constitutional rights without even knowing what is going on. I've heard people when cops are searching people on the street. One guy outside of the path on grove st said one day they onl;y reason they are searching him is because he was black. Meanwhile this guy wasn't there when the cops pulled and was threatening to shoot the store owner. I happen to catch the entire thing. So stop complaining about the police and when are they going to put an end to crime. Everyone has an opinion from the outside I personally think they are doing somewhat of a good job, most of the neighborhoods are a bit safer.

By the way how does he know he was shot outside of Montgomery Gardens. Is he trying to say just because he walked passed the projects he was shot there. Whats to say he didn't get shot in a nice section of Jertsey City, is he trying to say they don't have crime in the " yuppie " section. Where was he coming from, I find it difficult to belive that he was just passing by that was a short cut to his house, taking the train to journal square from downtown would just be taking him out of his way.

If you ask me something is fishy about this story. There has got to be more than he is telling. I got shot in the knee by the projects and I didn't realize it until I walk a half mile. Sure OK.

I have seen this thread on here for months now,everyone complaining about how it is unfair that your car gets towed from Shop Rite, how the signs aren't big enough, I was only in Newport for ten minutes. First off nobody can park thier car walk to newport and be back in ten minutes unless you walk over take a quick look at the front door and leave. That being said second it is a PRIVATE lot, which means the owners can tow you out if your not shopping there. Why should the ownersa of ShopRite or BJ's let you park in thier lot if you are not shopping there. They have to make room for thier customers. Don't be so cheap pay the money to park in Newport if that is where you want ot shop. I hate people who complain about things that they have no grounds to complain about.

I was in shoprite one day and saw a man park his car near mine as I walked into shoprite I saw him go into the exit door of shoprite and buy a soda from the machine and then watched him walk out of the lot towards newport. I left shoprite went to pepboys, I had to go back into shoprite for something I had forgotten and as I left he was standing next to the ploice officer saying hewent shopping in shoprite and came out and his car was missing, the officer called the tow company for him, I had to be nosey and stick around for his line of BS, the tow company towed his car. The man claims he never left the lot but all the while he was standing there with a bag from Macys. When the officer asked if he never left the lot then where was his receipt from shoprite or bjs, and did he always go shopping in a supermarket with clothes from Macys in his hands.

How would you like it if someone came to visit your neighbor and parked in your driveway instead of thiers. Tell you what if you live in the downtown area let me know and I will park in your parking space or you driveway and go shopping at newport and see how you like it.

Bottom line is that it is a private lot and if you from the area you know this so please stop complaing about why the signs aren't bigger, and why you just can't park thier to go to newport of so that you can walk to the path to go to work all day and not have to pay for parking. Heres's an idea I know how you can save money sell your car, you'll never have to worry about parking again. I got a ticket two years ago for being illegally parked by Starbucks, so I paid it. A week later I got another ticket, so I paid that one also I knew I was taking my chances by parking there, so you know how I solved that problem I stopped going to Starbucks I figure if the companies can't find a better location for people to go there and not have to worry about parking then they don't deserve my business, do you think newport cares if you car gets towed out of shoprite.

I think we should put cameras everywhere, that will stop crime. Cameras everywhere are not the answer. There will be some guy sitting at a desk watching fifty monitors, and you'll get robbed and he wouldn't even notice. How about demanding more security patrols on the property or walking security guards outside all night, motion lights are good, or just more street lights period.

If you think because you building has cameras on the front door, and elevator, in the hallway, at the gabage compactor, that you will be safe then you are wreong. By the time some sees you getting robbed or beat up on camera, runs over to see what is going on, then calls the police , you're looking at at least five minutes.

A front doorman is always a good idea, he gets to know people after a while and always knows if someone doesn't belong. Some of the buildings in downtown have those magnetic locks on the front door, if you give them a good yank the door opens right up, no alarm goes off no security comes running.

MLK has dozens of cameras on it and people still manage to get robbed, beat up and killed. Face it people most real criminals aren't stupid they know how to keep a cameras front either seeing them or being able to identify them. Wake up pay attention to what is going on around you. I grew up in this city, have lived all over it, walked it at all hours of the day and night, and have never been robbed,pay attention to your surroundings, walk with alittle confidence, if it's late at night or early in the day and you see someone walking towards you take a look at them let them know that you are aware that they are there, if you hear someone behind you look back for a second, it will help you judge the distance they are from you so you can react if you have to.

Bottom line people take your heads out of your butts. Most crimes that happen on the street are crimes of opportunity. If an individual thinks that he can get away with something at that moment he will try something, if not he keeps going until he finds someone that he can take advantage of. Stop relying on gadgets to keep you safe and rely on common sense.

Doesn't surprise me that this happened. I wonder how many other people are missing things?

That's great he gets a giant pay hike, the city is claiming poverty and the school system is going down hill. Everyone I know is putting thier kids in private school because they want them to get a good education or moving out of the city because the programs in other public school systems are better. They keep claiming that they don't have the money to provide the students with modern educational materials, but they have the money to give him a huge pay increase. I've seen children who can barely print thier names clearly.

Put that money to good use, create more after school tutoring programs, maybe more student aides to work in the classrooms to help the teachers out, after all they say the classrooms are over crowded.

There are some exceptions to the rules you stated, 1 the two hour time limit does not apply to a private lot, which is what BJs lot is, the moment you step out of the lot they can tow your car. 2 as far as being a patron of the store only works while you are a patron of one of those stores, as soon as you leave to go to the mall or chilis' you are no longer a patron and the vehicle can be removed. 3 the written authorization is the contract that the tow company has with the owner of the property, they own the lot they set the rules. You can be properly parked in a space all day as long as you stay in one of those stores they can not legally remove your vehicle. The moment you step off the property they take. The answer to the other question about who they have to notify when they tow is the local police district, they have one hour from the time it is towed to bring them a copy off the tow invoice. If you ever come outside and can't find your car just call the downtown precinct the cop at the desk should ahve a list of cars towed that day.

The answer to your question caj11 is yes, check the NJ Criminal Code book( 2C statutes ) look under Unlicensed Tresspass and there is a theft charge involved. Hope they don't have video.

I think they should take it down. If you leave it up your inviting every wannabe " street artist" to create whatever they want on the street. The next thing you know we"ll have garbage piled up somewhere and someone will call it art and if you make them take it down then they will say it's some violation of thier freedom of speech and the next thing you know it will turn into a race issue.

If you want to let them display it give a an area in downtown, somewhere where they can display it for a reasonable amount of time to allow others to have a chance to bring in something of thier own. This way everyone gets a chance to be dicovered and it doesn't create a safety issue.

You guys tell me, was I the only person who received this private message or did anybodyelse get this from clt4271.
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Who the hell are you? You didnt even know troy. He was a good kid... sure he had some bad times, but what kid dont? hell i know i do... think about what you say about people who know him reading this POS!

First you used to be able to find out in city hall now I think you have to go to 30 montgomery. Find out if his driveway is even legal. Alot of homes built in the VVP, and the Paulus Hook area do not have legal driveways, you used to be able to tell if someones' driveway was legal or not from the proprty lines, second you can complain if his car is blocking a portion of the sidewalk making it difficult for people to pass, contact the NID (Neighborhood Improvement Districts) guys(if they arte still around), I think they have an office on central ave. they handle all municipal ordinances, quality of life issues. If no succes there contact the East District, every district has an officer assigned to community relations, ask them how you can find out if these people have legal driveways. As far as him damaging your property, go to 365 Summit ave with your proof and sign a complaint against him. You can find half of the phone numbers you need in the blue section of the phone book. Remember when enough people complain about something they'll send someone out to check it out.

Take it easy there kid, no need to lose your mind. If you say that this person is out to get everyone, and you want to get back at them, there is a simple and LEGAL way of finding out if they have a LEGAL driveway to begin with. Alot of people don't realize it but there are alot of illegal driveways out there and if someone has one you can have them ticketed for parking on the sidewalk. The problem the cops don't get a list of who has a legal driveway and who doesn't, it just doesn't exist. So technically if you were to get a ticket for blocking an illegal driveway you could fight it and win.

Thats what I like to see, sarcasm. Everyone wants to know where it is written for everything. Instead of just saying to yourself let me use some common sense, if I park here is the person who lives here going to be able to get thier car out, or why do I have to pay the non-residency fee for my car, just because I have out of state plates I still live here, the insurance is cheaper elsewhere. Here it is people because when you block someones driveway they can't get out, you wouldn't appreciate it if they did it to you, and by the way its the law you have to have your license, registration and insurance where you live not where it is cheaper.

They are easy to find. I'll give you a hint, you can look in a building where there are alot of books and have to be really quiet.