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Yeah.. that's not refuting his argument at all.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 18:58
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Ok, so the House will stay Republican, the Senate will become Republican. Doesn't matter I guess, I'm sure Obama will have a grand time passing his agenda without congressional support. Out of curiosity, why is the Republican party doomed again? Actually, it is all relevant to our conversation at hand. You're promoting a typically liberal, big government pro-social engineering point of view. We don't get to choose where we live or who we want to live with. No, we have to build our lives around what you and those like you want. No choices, just mandates from those who don't have the ability to create but only to destroy. You talk to a bunch of people in these threads and the overwhelming majority all say the same thing: "If you don't like our neighborhood, don't live here." You get some support from some guy who lives in Greenville anyway. Does that give you pause? Nope. You just need the political ability to FORCE others to accept what they don't want. And this is why you will lose - because ultimately no one wants to live the way you want us to, and you won't really be able to force us to play your game. You might screw our property values as we, turn JC into the next Newark, but ultimately that's your best case.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 18:47
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You are under the mistaken belief that the Senate matters.
Aside from that, in the long game, the Republican Party is going to self destruct. But that's off topic.. ain't it?
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Me too. Tell me, how mad does this make you? http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/21 ... lt-odds-toward-gop-senate
Posted on: 2014/6/26 18:23
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Not even close.. amused.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 18:10
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Y u mad, bro?
Posted on: 2014/6/26 18:03
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Objectivist trash.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 18:00
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I'm atheist, so good luck with your last line. As for the wrong side of history, socialism and liberalism has a fairly checkered past and recent history has shown the world moving away from the left. Eastern Europe has gone from Communism to extreme capitalism (complete with a 13-15% flat tax in most countries, imagine that!), China is Communist in name only, and W. Europe is cutting tax rates and social benefits. Those that have not will soon as they have staggering debt. Leftist administrations currently in office are not doing well (see France and of course, the US). Finally, the best part about the leftist point of view is that you absolutely cannot win. Your best case scenario would be to force nice neighborhoods to incorporate a bunch of poor people who would destroy value and ultimately result in "white flight" to the suburbs. Then the inner city, once full of wealthy, lovely rowhomes, Victorian mansions and good people will become wastelands ("urban decay"). This is what we've seen happening in Detroit, Baltimore, Newark and a bunch of other cities where liberals have tried to create your socially engineered utopia. "Urban renewal", on the other hand, is basically just "gentrification," which liberals also hate. On a broader social level, assuming you can somehow modify the US system to a more liberal, socialist type system, businesses and those with the means to do so would simply leave. And what you would suddenly find is that America isn't great because God somehow favors us, but rather has the right economic system that spawned the upper middle class and wealthy people that make this country great.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 17:50
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Meh.. in the end, being on the wrong side of history will make your tears all the sweeter. The world moves forward, despite the whining and crying of reactionary conservatives.
I am going to enjoy seeing the whining when Clinton wind two four years terms. You should also not take the lord's name in vain. 
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No, it shouldn't be based on policy as determined by a bunch of losers. It should be based on economic principles and the wishes of those who actually live there. JFC I hate liberals and I am so going to enjoy the next midterm elections.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 17:30
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A neighborhood is not an autonomous individual. Change should be based on policy grounds, not the desires of a few wealthy people trying hard to keep it fully exclusive.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 17:28
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And I brought up my dissatisfaction with that obnoxious way of thinking. Who are you to force neighborhoods to artificially change their populations to suit your fancy?
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I brought up my dissatisfaction with the ones who propose to keep it exclusionary to the evident detriment of the neighborhood itself, which is becoming more and more dull over time.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 17:16
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Oh man, what a threat. Listen, I occasionally waste a bit of time on here and if you want to spend your time following me around to call me a bigot in the few threads a month I occasionally post in then knock yourself out. I'm actually not carrying content from the other thread. You brought up your dissatisfaction with the residents of that neighborhood. These residents happen to be older white people, and we felt your sneer across the internet.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 17:14
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Being against making an entire area of a city a monoculture is not being against older people. Downtown is dynamic because of a both upper income, and older, people AND a wide variety of other folks as well.
If it shifts to all of the former, it'll be a dull area, like northern Hoboken. And I would be careful about trying to bring arguments from other posts across. You're opening up being called a bigot in every single thread you post in. I( consider it poor form to do so, but I have no problem with responding in kind.
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What's wrong with older people? You're not ageist, are you?
Posted on: 2014/6/26 16:15
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They fill a need for housing for plenty of professionals who are not yet deep in the six figure range. It keeps the area dynamic, unlike the northern end of Hoboken which is now so dull, mostly because everyone is older, and cookie cutter similar, and lame, so the only music venue in town moved out.
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No, I'm noting that building apartments that are considerably smaller than the prior norm is a considerable step down in QOL. The whole reason they're in the news is because they're smaller than normal. I spent parts of my childhood in the burbs, and part in Brooklyn.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 15:52
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Agreed. Some people are under the impression that their suburban experiences growing up in the last 30 years is normal for an urban environment.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 15:42
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Wow are you out of touch with how city people live. There's plenty of middle class families of 4 living in 2 bedroom 800 ft apartments on the upper west side. My father was raised in a 2 bedroom in the Bronx and slept in the same room as his sister till he was drafted. And they were not poor, my grandfather always had a car during the depression.
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I'm not saying it is unfair. I'm stating that it is a signal of our societal decline. We have stagnant income, increasing expenses. The fact that many are going to have to do with less isn't surprising. I am noting that this microapartment trend is a symptom of this disease. As to choice, it is illusory to a degree. They have the jobs that they have. It would be nearly impossible for them to replicate their jobs in the middle of Iowa, for example. As for a long commute or living in a dangerous neighborhood, this would likely destroy them. So they make do the best way they can. But you're right, I do wish my house was on UWS/UES right near Central Park.
Posted on: 2014/6/26 15:37
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Maybe, but I'm in my mid-40s and have accumulated a lot of stuff over the years. I need the space for:
1. A home office that is a luxury because my current job lets me work from home two days a week at least, 2. Hobbies like model building and painting, my motorcycle, and my BBQ smoker and grill that require their own spaces, 3. Pets, my two cats, that would be shitty to coop up in a smaller place. 4. My own car, for which I want parking, since even nice neighborhoods have car theft and break ins. If those factors were different, I could get by with a lot less space, move closer to an even more convenient neighborhood, and be just as well off. If I was younger, it would definitely cross my mind to do so.
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Yes, they do choose to, rather than live somewhere less desirable with cheaper rent or share a larger apt. Probably neither of us would want to live in a Mcmansion in the middle of what was recently a cornfield in Iowa at any price. I'll bet you would prefer your house to be somewhere in Manhattan but you can't afford that any more than your friends can afford a bigger place Downtown. There is nothing intrinsically crazy or unfair about the basic economics of supply and demand. It just is.
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Yeah, but we're not talking about 650-800 sq ft. That's a normal "small" apartment for people with that lifestyle. We're talking about micro-apartments that are approximately half that size. That's a huge difference.
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You don't know me, but I live in a tiny apartment by choice. I've lived in big houses, and could choose to live in lots of bigger places. But this suits me fine and I feel freed from the duties of home ownership. Point is, neither of us is right...everyone gets to make their own call.
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It depends. I know multiple professionals that are very active locally and regionally, and their apartment is just a place to sleep, shower and change clothes. For them, they would rather spend their time and attention on going out and about, and taking care of interests. For several of them, a small apartment lets them travel more, rent studio space with other artists, or frees up attention that would be spent on maintenance or cleaning.
It would not be for me, but as a single guy, I don't need more than my 800sqft, and only that much because I have a full room devoted to a home office. But, I trade off interior living space for two garages and a full deck. Trade offs.
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This sounds to me like saying "sure, people live with a lower standard of living but it is really freeing not to have all the problems associated with a higher standard of living!" With regards to choice, I will wager that no one actually prefers a microapartment to a normal apartment. People just lack the money these days to afford normal apartments and houses, so they rent these POSs. Between high rents and home sale prices, student loans, lack of decent jobs, high taxes on income and instability even for those that have good jobs, you have a mix that basically results in people settling for a crappy lifestyle that is a revival of tenement housing because our society is in decline. But please lets not pretend that this is a good thing or that it is because people want to live like this. I don't live like that. I'm one of the lucky people that has a great job, decent savings and own a rowhouse in DTJC. But I also know several people who live in tiny apartments, and none of them do it because they want to.
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There's an argument to be made that by freeing yourself up from owning a bunch of crap and by paying less for space to live in you gain a good amount of freedom in other areas. The fantastic thing about these apartments is that if you find them too small you don't have to live in them.
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Totally agree. They're trying to sell this as "a new form of luxury" but that's lipstick on a pig.
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$400k to reno it. Seriously. I found the clip infuriating, condescending and just plain stupid. I rent several 450 ft 1 bedrooms, and that's real interior measurements, and as often as not prospective tenants say how roomy they are compared to some stuff they've seen. To speculate that 425 is "NYC's Tiniest Apartment" just shows how out of touch these people are.
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