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Re: Massive PATH and Hudson River Crossings Toll Increase
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So many questions about this. Can the PA justify the PATH being more expensive than the MTA per ride when the system covers a fraction of the locations and distance that the MTA does?


The MTA isn't funneling billions into lower Manhattan's iconic new skyline.

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Can commuters expect to have more trains during rush hour so that we aren't stuffed in each car or waiting for 2 or 3 trains to even get on?

No. There isn't more capacity on the system. The first capacity increase will come with a signal upgrade, originally scheduled to completed in 2014. The real capacity increase will come with longer platforms allowing for NWK-WTC trains to run with 10 cars. Grove Street and Harrison both need to be upgraded for that to happen, but work hasn't begun at either.

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Can we expect the Hoboken detour on weekends to end?


Trains had operated on the weekends, 7am to 7pm, without the detour, following a "weekday" schedule. But because the PA has prioritized construction in New York City over transportation, the service into and out of the World Trade Center has been reduced to 1 train every twenty minutes.

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Can we ask for fans to be put in all stations to cool them down during the interminable summer heat?


Maybe?


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Can we expect there to be any more trains at WTC late night and on weekends for the next 10 years while the Freedom Tower gets built?


No. The Port Authority has prioritized spending more than $1.6 billion dollars in New York City rather than providing a transportation link to New Jersey. And according to a PATH representative, there is no plan to restore late night service to a 30 minute schedule.

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Given the way fare increases usually go, the answer to all of these would be "no, of course not."


I think the "fan" issue might be possible.

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TheBigGuy wrote: I have seen on the trains at 5:00am in the morning... What is all this money really going to???
http://www.911jobforums.com/showthrea ... y-cop-makes-a-quarter-mil Oh things like this: One officer who made about $226,000 in base and overtime pay actually took home nearly $287,000, according to pension records. The extra pay came from several perks, ranging from higher wages for officers who worked late shifts to retroactive pay increases. It also included two other categories that would be considered overtime pay on many payrolls. And for the train engineers... Check out the base pay + what they earned in overtime: Resized Image

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So many questions about this. Can the PA justify the PATH being more expensive than the MTA per ride when the system covers a fraction of the locations and distance that the MTA does? Can commuters expect to have more trains during rush hour so that we aren't stuffed in each car or waiting for 2 or 3 trains to even get on? Can we expect the Hoboken detour on weekends to end? Can we ask for fans to be put in all stations to cool them down during the interminable summer heat? Can we expect there to be any more trains at WTC late night and on weekends for the next 10 years while the Freedom Tower gets built? Given the way fare increases usually go, the answer to all of these would be "no, of course not."

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there really needs to be a pricing distinction between commuters/weekend hoppers. Commuters should be pressured to use mass transit and that's why the higher prices make sense.

I agree that high off peak pricing will hurt JC as a locale for people looking outside Manhattan. Brooklyn and Harlem look a lot better given what PATH is proposing...

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They need to break up this PA monster. They seriously want to lay off the costs of their WTC adventure on commuters? They shouldn't even be in that business and should have been stopped in the 60's! The crossing tolls should go to maintaining the crossings and subsidizing the PATH. Period. Not subsidizing airports or office parks. These clowns figure the crossings are a cash cow with no limits.

Personally, I wouldn't mind the price if it were only a peak hrs and off peak was 1/2 that. Too many people want to commute by car. But $12 to get from NJ to LI off peak? That's nuts.

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It would have been a whole $3 each way if they (PATH) didn't drop it a quarter when they did the last hike. The hike then would have been up to $2 but PATH let up and left it at $1.75.

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increasing the current price by a whle $1 each way is completely unfair and should not even allowed it is too much all in one shot even if u have the discount! this really angers me!

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http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/201 ... r-toll-increase/?emc=eta1

AUGUST 5, 2011, 3:00 PM
Port Authority Seeks Big Toll Increase

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM
Librado Romero/The New York TimesTolls on the Holland Tunnel and other Hudson River crossings may rise significantly.

The cost of crossing the bridges and tunnels that span the Hudson River to New York City could rise by 50 percent for many drivers under a steep series of toll increases to be proposed on Friday by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, according to two people familiar with the plans.

A $4 toll increase for E-ZPass users could go into effect as soon as September on the three major Hudson River crossings ? the George Washington Bridge and the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels ? as well as three other bridges between New Jersey and Staten Island, the Bayonne and Goethals Bridges and the Outerbridge Crossing.

The proposal, the first increase since 2008 and only the third since 2001, would raise peak-hour E-ZPass tolls on those crossings to $12 a ride, up from $8. The individuals familiar with the plans asked to remain anonymous because the proposal was not yet intended to be made public.

The biggest increase by far would be felt by drivers who pay in cash: cash tolls on those crossings would be raised by $7, to $15 a trip. (By comparison, a cash toll on the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge currently costs $13.) About 25 percent of drivers on the Port Authority crossings currently pay in cash.

A single fare on the PATH train, the diminutive commuter subway system that connects parts of Manhattan to New Jersey, would be raised by $1, to $2.75 a ride.

And the price of a 30-day unlimited pass for the PATH system would be raised by 65 percent, to $89 from $54 a month.

The proposal calls for the crossing tolls to be raised again in 2014, with another planned increase of $2 for drivers who use E-ZPass and on the cash toll. The PATH fare would not be raised again in 2014, under the current proposal.

Rumors of a toll hike have been floating around transit and political circles for months. But the increases unveiled on Friday are significantly steeper than expected: planners at the Port Authority had originally been discussing a $2 raise in the tolls this year.

The board of the Port Authority must approve the proposal at a meeting this month. If approved, the governors who oversee the cross-state agency, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York and Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey, would have a 10-day period during which they would be allowed to veto the toll increase.

Revenue from the first set of higher tolls would raise an additional $720 million for the agency, which controls many of the region?s bridges, tunnels, shipping ports and airports. The second phase, in 2014, would raise an additional $290 million.

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