SteveWilson29 wrote:
People let their dogs swim in the canal? Barf... enjoy your hepatitis/listeria/gonorrhea/aquacancer.

AngelSauce wrote:
I saw the most horrible thing yesterday afternoon at the corner of Grove and Columbus: A dog zoomed past me heading north on Grove, leash dangling from its neck and the owner in hot pursuit. The dog darted into the intersection and was hit by an east bound truck. I will never forget that awful sound of truck hitting dog and the screams of the owner. The dog eventually got up and continued to run west down Columbus with the owner still chasing. I doubt that it survived but you never know.

Even the most responsible dog owners can have bad luck. Why cheat fate and allow your dog to be purposely off leash? Setting aside the legal ramifications; it just isn't a very bright idea.

Yojimbo wrote:
Signage and outreach are nice, but nothing will change these people's behaviors unless the enforcement comes along with it. I've seen you "guarantee" that it will, but let's be honest, that's hollow unless you're actually in the Fulop administration. I have no reason to doubt you've been TOLD there will be more enforcement (or any at all, really). But new administrations are really good at making promises to everybody who comes to them with problems.

But follwing through? We'll see.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
It was an allusion to the upcoming argument/debate/negative posts.

At the end of the day, you're probably right because the dog owners in this town have such a feeling of superiority and entitlement, little will probably change. However, this cause has never been led by someone as annoyingly persistent as myself.

I will say that at the neighborhood level, things are happening behind the scenes, and you will see changes in time from the standpoint of signage, outreach and enforcement. That, I can guarantee.

But you're right. People will still do what they do, but it can't hurt to try right?

jwave wrote:
My sense is that nyrgravey9 speaks for the silent (or seldom heard for) majority of community members, including lots community-minded dog owners. Cajoling folks to behave better toward their neighbors is laudible, and respecting boundaries when using common areas is at the heart of being a solid citizen. Everyone on this board who agrees should post support for the OP (referendum-style). This will let the "entitled" minority understand that their actions are breeding serious ill-will and may embolden all other to confront this behavior when they see it (in a courteous way, of course). The idea that we should tolerate this because it has gone on for a long time or that there are other problems in community (which is obviously true) should be put to rest.

PBW wrote:
OP, why was I supposed to brace myself? Do you think you're actually going to accomplish something or was I supposed to brace myself for the same old arguments?

Catseye wrote:
This is Jersey city although I was born and raised
Here it is a rough place all you yuppies that
Come from all over need to realize this.
And things happen hello you have the projects
Not to far away did anyone ever think that
The garage was open because someone was
Maybe parking there car there. I am not
Saying that this was right but this type of
Stuff happens all the time in this city
Everyone always has to open the mouth
And pass judgement how do you they were
Coming from a bar. You don't so keep it
To yourself maybe you should go live
On a farm.

Vigilante wrote:
Catseye said it best in another thread.



Catseye wrote:
This is Jersey city although I was born and raised
Here it is a rough place all you yuppies that
Come from all over need to realize this.
And things happen hello you have the projects
Not to far away did anyone ever think that
The garage was open because someone was
Maybe parking there car there. I am not
Saying that this was right but this type of
Stuff happens all the time in this city
Everyone always has to open the mouth
And pass judgement how do you they were
Coming from a bar. You don't so keep it
To yourself maybe you should go live
On a farm.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
He's nothing if not entertaining folks. Gotta love the hipsters in this town.

I thought of you the other day when I saw an officer on foot in Hamilton Park walk right past an off leash dog. I guess "Operation Round-Up" didn't happen?

Esquired wrote:
Shameless piggybacking: reddit.com/r/jerseycity

duh wrote:
nyrgravey9, 23 Bidwell, apt 2. Bring the poop. I'll show you the crackheads, unemployed and uneducated youth, guys fresh from prison with no prospects other than a street corner, pregnant teens, to name a few. But, yes, poop, cant say I'm so concerned.

duh wrote:
nyrgravey9, 23 Bidwell, apt 2. Bring the poop. I'll show you the crackheads, unemployed and uneducated youth, guys fresh from prison with no prospects other than a street corner, pregnant teens, to name a few. But, yes, poop, cant say I'm so concerned.

dtjcview wrote:
http://stevenfulop.com/sites/default/ ... op_public_safety_plan.pdf

Seems like a good plan to me. No mention of any kind of dog poop S.W.A.T. team though.

duh wrote:
nyrgravey9, thank you. It?s true I do read a lot (not much Vonnegut or Chomsky, but thanks for noticing anyway), and though it is unfortunate that words found on the SAT make you uncomfortable, reading your posts has allowed me the luxury of laughing out loud, from the gut, for a good amount of time. I agree my comments are trollish, offering no constructive suggestion other than to grow up and get over it. No, I havn?t stood in the dog park in my free time and taken a survey on leashed and unleashed dogs, or how many times they pooped, or if it was picked up - I guess I was too busy doing something unconstructive (though it sounds like we should hang out). But, I suppose, thanks to the revolutionary fire that burns within your soul, we all will avoid wading through a foot and half of dog poop with packs of feral k9?s nipping holes in our dockers. You are on to something though - it?s long be understood that the amount of dog poop and leashless-ness in a city directly correlates to a failing school system, violent crime rate, child obesity, and inadequate health care. Since you asked, yes, I will gladly give you my address, but you have to keep your promise and pick up and transport pounds of dog poop on a daily basis over to me. Actually, the idea of you and fat-ass showing up at my apartment day after day with copious amounts of dog excrement in hand brings me tremendous delight. And, if each of you leave me your addresses, I will leave books with big words, and half a brain, on each of your doorsteps. Now, stop reading this, so you can back to watching dogs defecate and telling on people.

Vigilante wrote:
Morris Canal Park? That's a de facto dog park now. Everyone in Jersey City knows that. People travel from miles around to let their dogs play and swim. Yes, your pissing in the wind. Good luck with that.

equ wrote:
I am not surprised to see the snarky dog owners come out of the woodwork... "They" have basically declared Morris Canal theirs... Why can't I go for a run there comfortably? Why can't my friends take their toddlers out there? When did it become an "official dog run"?

It is in Jersey City limits so owners have to abide by the 6ft leash law. Period. It is not private property.

I say let's start a petition for starting enforcement and I'll sign it as well.

mr_grumpy_face wrote:
I'm more bothered on behalf of the dogs that are off-leash than anything else. These owners are just asking for their dogs to be bitten by other dogs, hit by cars, lost, etc.

The amount of potentially bad things you're exposing your dog to is far greater than whatever benefit you think you might be providing your dog by letting him off-leash. Sometimes I think people let their dogs off-leash more for their own egos than for the benefit of the dog.

Anyway, be smart, curb your dog, and get it fixed!

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Actually, if you go to any of the parks, Morris Canal especially, on any given day, it's closer to 50% or more, but nice try.

Secondly, no one's requesting the entire JCPD drop major crime investigation to stop the dreaded dog poop problem.

It takes one cop, with a ticket book and a pen, for MAYBE an hour total to hit the three major parks in DTJC. Problem solved. I seriously doubt one diverted cop, who is already patrolling DTJC, will miss out on the big drug ring bust they're so fond of doing.

Rather than being a pretentious DB, you can actually contribute something constructive to the discussion.

I should have known with your hipsterific avatar that we were dealing with a superior intelligence here.

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Maybe 3% of dog owners walk their pups off leash. Probably about 3% don't pick up the poop. I would say 50% of the drivers in DTJC break the law, speed, roll through Stop signs etc. The ticket for off-leash dog is $56.00. You really think the cops are going to throw out some big dragnet to catch dog walkers? Good Luck Joe Friday.

Sorry, it's definitely not 3% but it's also nowhere near 50%, so nice try. If half the dog owners at morris canal park on any given day didn't pick up after their dogs your feet wouldn't even hit the grass.

The bigger crap problem in the park is from the geese. If half of your big concern is keeping crap out of the park they should be your first target.
"Geese feces usually contain the parasites cryptosporidium, giardia, coliform, and campylobacter. Cryptosporidium poses the most serious health hazard...responsible for a 1993 outbreak of disease in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, when the city's water supply became contaminated. One hundred people died and 400,000 became ill during this epidemic."

And FYI, Animal Control does patrol Morris Canal park on a regular basis. Once the weather started getting better they were showing up on an almost daily basis in the mornings.

duh wrote:
The revulsion I feel toward so many of the opinions on this thread, should be second only to how sick you make yourselves. I don't understand the slavish adherence to 'the law.' So many of you people are looking to shame, tattle, rat out, your own neighbors - to be fined and punished for something like a leash law. Yes, people should leash their dogs, and pick up the poop, or else the rest of us are inconvenienced. Fine, whatever. Barring some terrible event (like a dog attacking another dog or person, or getting loose and getting hit by a car), which happens fewer and father between that any other repercussion, you are talking about wanting people to watch each other, and tell on each other. Personally, I'd much rather step in, over, and around a pile of dog shit, than have a bunch of uptight, psych-issue laden, immature, first-world problem promulgators getting righteous over essentially nothing when there are some serious causes that could use your energy and attention.

Vigilante wrote:
Maybe 3% of dog owners walk their pups off leash. Probably about 3% don't pick up the poop. I would say 50% of the drivers in DTJC break the law, speed, roll through Stop signs etc. The ticket for off-leash dog is $56.00. You really think the cops are going to throw out some big dragnet to catch dog walkers? Good Luck Joe Friday.

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nyrgravey9 wrote:
I Heart JC, you're my idol LOL. Needs face shots hahah!

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I_heart_JC wrote:

I'll start:




Hamilton Park, this morning.

I have lived in DTJC for 25 years and this is the worst thing I have ever seen. Oh wait, I saw a guy with his brains blown out on 8th and McWilliams about 20 years ago. That was worse.

We are definitely facing a first world problem ... But, still naming and shaming is a way to go ...

BTW, I recall last summer the animal control officer came to one of the HPNA meetings to talk about the off-leash dog (owner - attitude - problem) ... He seemed to be a nice guy and pretty professional about "collaring" the entitled dog owners that let Fido run around unleashed ...

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yorkist wrote:
You missed the "except as in designated for the purpose." There are areas in the park "designated for the purpose." Regardless, they didn't want to sit on the grass either.

Nope I was pretty clear. "Soccer playing outside designated areas is also breaking the law according to JC Ordinances:"

Regardless of whether that particular ordinance is obeyed and/or enforced, it doesn't give anybody the right to let their dogs run off leash (and no, I don't violate this ordinance either, haven't played soccer since I was a kid).

I'm actually making a case for enforcing all the ordinances. The problem with selective enforcement, targeting a specific group, is that it alienates that group. It also doesn't help build stronger relationships between police and the community. Our police should be writing tickets for dog poop, unleashed dogs, cyclists on sidewalks, littering, ball playing in picnic areas, and all instances where City ordinances are being broken.

mdips wrote:
And again, you seem to be painting with a large brush. My dogs do not like dog runs and have no interest in being in them. There are just as many inconsiderate dog owners within the runs, that's why I had to stop going to them. I used to walk to the Van Vorst park dog run every morning until it started getting so crowded that there was a fight nearly every time I went in, not to mention how many times I stepped in dog poop. Then I moved to the run on montgomery until I got kicked out because I didn't realize it was only for residents in that building. The libery harbor run is at best a dog toilet with no room for more than 1-2 dogs at a time and no space to run.

And because there were a couple of instances reported that someone says they had a problem with an owners response to their request you say it's overall not a good idea? Whenever anyone asks me to please leash my dog I do so. There's no way for you to know if I'm in the minority or not.

I feel no superiority to anyone on this issue. I am well aware of the penalty I face and am willing to pay it if I am ticketed, and I also empathize with your concerns which is why if I am causing a problem I apologize and leash my dog back up.

And I'm curious to know in what way the "residents are getting behind you?" Was there a poll taken that I missed out on? I'm pretty sure there are also a large number of dog owners and residents who might disagree with you.

I really feel that off leash hours are the best answer for everyone.

mdips wrote:
I think there are much more pressing problems at Morris Canal park than dogs off leash. Although I do agree that it is not a good idea when the park is crowded. Maybe we would be better adopting off leash hours, like the do in nyc and brooklyn.

I'm at the park with my dogs every day and have watched that park slowly degrade from the erosion, graffiti, trash, goose poop etc. I have to clean up the empty alcohol bottles every morning down at the end, amid all the empty crack/weed bags and condom wrappers. They could really use some lights down there to try and deter all the people that hang out there in the middle of the night.

Posting pictures of dog owners will accomplish nothing for you as well. I hate people who double park, how about I just take pictures of anyone who parks illegally and post them online?

I would advise you ask the dog owner that you would like them to put their dog back on leash and if they give you any grief tell them you will be calling the police.

I_heart_JC wrote: