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Re: Fulop, Lavarro backing ordinance to boost pay of low-level city contractors
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Again, and again, and again.

Is it so hard to figure out? Mayor, councilpeople - are hired by us, the taxpayers. When they are buying some services for the City, they are supposed to represent us, the taxpayers, and try to get the best conditions and the best price from our point of view!

If Fullop, Healey, Lavarro and others and want to represent them - they ought to resign their city offices and seek employment with those contractors, - as lobbyist, or negotiators, or whatnot.

P.S. Same about "let's do something for the unions!" idea. You want to benefit the unions, - you should seek employment with the unions, and draw your pay from the unions.

Then in turn you should run for political office as others have done in the past, or at least get appointed to a board.


Nah. I don't have that overwhelming urge to force other people to do what I think is best for them. Not a politico material.

Posted on: 2012/5/12 2:56
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Re: Jersey City Reservior #3 welcomes public to fish, hike, and appreciate the environment
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"appreciate the environment"?

Not the "appreciate the lake", not "appreciate the park", not even "appreciate the outdoors"

We go out and look at the "environment" in awe and appreciation. WOW. Environment... it is all around us... groovy....

Posted on: 2012/5/12 2:51
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Re: Tilted Kilt - Pub & Eatery (&boobs)
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Probably the kind of place that will bring in the Miller Light chugging crowd from out of town.

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Do you mean even more drunken derelicts wondering over after they are kicked out of the Titled Kilt?

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Yay for chain restaurants!!!

snowflake20 wrote:
Sorry but I'm not bringing my kids to some place where the women are dressed like scottish tarts.

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Women should be able to wear whatever they want, but when they are objectified like this, it tends to attract some sad and ugly men.


one-percenters all.


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My kids see me naked all of the time. My issue isn't nudity, which is normal, my issue is the way the women are dressed. They look like they are out of a Brazzers porno.


As in "I wish there was some classy 1%-level non-chain porn establishment instead"?

Posted on: 2012/5/5 15:11
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Re: Fulop, Lavarro backing ordinance to boost pay of low-level city contractors
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Again, and again, and again.

Is it so hard to figure out? Mayor, councilpeople - are hired by us, the taxpayers. When they are buying some services for the City, they are supposed to represent us, the taxpayers, and try to get the best conditions and the best price from our point of view!

City officials are not supposed to work against us, and to represent the interests of our contractors, suppliers and employees. Not while those city officials are in our employ and our payroll.

If Fullop, Healey, Lavarro and others and want to represent them - they ought to resign their city offices and seek employment with those contractors, - as lobbyist, or negotiators, or whatnot.

And, if they think that the City is in a good financial position to afford some charity work, - that charity should be doled out to the most needy residents, - not as a pay increase to the contractors.

P.S. Same about "let's do something for the unions!" idea. You want to benefit the unions, - you should seek employment with the unions, and draw your pay from the unions.

Posted on: 2012/5/5 14:28
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Re: Jersey City council adopts measure requiring developers given 5-year tax breaks to hire union labor
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For the sake of the aforementioned clarity, want to reiterate some point:

- it matters not if the adopted regulation mimics some existing regulation,

- it matters not that there is more to it than the union clause,

- it matters not how often you receive financial support from a union or other special interests and whether it is for "any substance".

The only thing that does matter is, - your job is to look after the benefits of the Jersey City taxpayers.

And every single dollar that you milk out of some business for the benefit of the union - is the dollar that you did not milk for the benefit of the taxpayers.

And, by the way, when you negotiate the payments to the city employees and contractors, - you are supposed to represent us, the taxpayers, the employers - not the other way around.

You want to work for the union or for the contractors, - it is perfectly fine with me. But if this is the case you should seek employment with them, and draw your pay from them.

Posted on: 2012/5/5 14:17
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Re: Jersey City council adopts measure requiring developers given 5-year tax breaks to hire union labor
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Regardless of financial support, it doesn?t change my view that when the city uses subsidies to private developers for market rate housing there is an opportunity to ensure that both certain numbers of people get the opportunity to work from Jersey City and that fair wages are paid.


Dear Sir,

Since you mentioned clarity, allow me, as one of your employers, to clarify something here.

Your job is to organize essential services for the taxpayers of the Jersey City. Your job is to look after our pockets.

If you think that City council has time to spare to deal with something else - take a pay cut, and work part-time. If you think City has extra resources, - slash the taxes. If you think you can milk some business without scaring it away, - do it for our benefit.

You were given a choice between doing something that benefits JC taxpayers and what benefits unions, - and you chose to help unions. This would not do.

Now, I am not saying that to disparage the worthy cause you dedicate yourself to. I am saying you should pursue that cause on your own time, and at your own expense.

Till the next election.

Posted on: 2012/5/5 2:56
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Re: Jersey City council adopts measure requiring developers given 5-year tax breaks to hire union labor
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why did Fulop vote for that abomination of a law?


Wait, wait, I know this one...

Why would a government help unionized workers to monopolize the labor marketplace and squeeze out non-unionized workers?

Could it be (a) because unions contribute to their campaign? or (b) because unions contribute to their cmapaign? Or (c) all of the above?



Anyway, here is another thing to think about:

So, the city council decided that the developers have too many incentives to build in JC and they can totally swallow some de-motivation, and still stay here.

Now, you may belong to the "let's milk them dry" school and think that this is a brilliant idea. Or, you may belong to the "don't kill the goose that lay golden eggs" school and think this is very dumb.

Fine. However, in both cases, you must realize that there is more than one way to demotivate the developer.

We could have reduced their tax abatement for example - and use extra money to cut residents' taxes a little. Or to reduce city debt a little.

We could have required developers to build some parking space, or to create some parks and recreational areas, or to manage garbage disposal facility and so on.

There are many ways to demotivate them - by asking them to put out for the benefit of the Jersey City taxpayers.

Instead, our elected representatives chose to demotivate the developers - by forcing them to put out for the unions.

Interesting, eh?

Posted on: 2012/4/29 23:23
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Re: Shotgun toting muggers jump out of car mug two women…..any details???
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#1 Guns are not going to be outlawed in NJ or any other state. Even the most liberal policy-makers wouldn't argue for that. Let's cut the hyperbole.

HOWEVER, just because you have a permit to own and operate a firearm doesn't allow you to carry a concealed, loaded weapon.


Compare: we are not trying to prohibit the freedom of speech, but just because you have a permit to speak, it doesn't allow you to speak in public!

Does THAT sound like a convincing explanation to you? Neither to us.

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Have you actually shot a handgun richieveal? How about in a high-stress situation, in a populated urban environment? It's one thing to face down a burglar with a shotgun in your home and quite another to play vigilante justice in the street without training.


This is called "strawman". We were talking self-defense. You decided that it would be easier to argue against "vigilante", so you pretend that it is what's being advocated. I have to tell you that this technique doesn't work all that well. It only looks easy when Obama does it in front of the press, because the press is not about to try to call him up that trick.

Now, if you throw away that "vigilante" part, - you would have to claim that it is one thing to defend yourself in your home, and another to do it in the street. Hmmm...

Are you going to argue that at home you can be less responsible about justification, or less prudent about the manner of use of weapons, or less proficient with the weapon?

I hope this is not what you have in mind.

But if not, - what DO you have in mind?

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Handguns are much harder to aim accurately. (Look at how often cops miss their targets, and they receive regular training.)


My girlfriend was able to aim accurately after about 10 minutes of instructions.

What's your estimate, how many rounds does an average Jersey City, or New York City cop fires in training each year? What is their qualification exercise? I presume you know the answers, - otherwise you would not be making the statement you made.

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Most law abiding citizens would have their gun stripped away and used against them OR end up hurting innocents while trying to play hero OR shooting themselves ala Plaxico.

Let's be real buddy. Going out armed with handguns is not going to help law-abiding citizens. Also, it's just not going to happen in the most densely populated state in the country.


I would be interested to learn about the basis of this claim. I've read a number of accounts where people from all walks of life and all age groups, - from teenagers to the most senior citizens, - did quite fine when they had to use weapons in defense.

Those are anecdotal accounts, but they prove that it is quite possible to defend oneself. Now, to claim that to succeed is less likely than to make it worse - you must have some basis, no? Like, personal experience, or statistics may be?

Or did you admonish us to "be real" without any footing in aforementioned reality whatsoever?

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Issuance of the permit is almost completely discretionary, and New Jersey courts have upheld the policy of strictly limiting permits ?to persons specifically employed in security work . . . and to others who can establish an urgent necessity for carrying guns for self-protection.?


Didn't you notice that this totally rejects the argument you advanced just a few lines above?

No? You don't see it? Well, let me walk you through:

1. You argued that carrying a weapon is not going to help people defend themselves,

2. The law you mentioned is based on the totally opposite assumption that weapons DO in fact help people to defend themselves!

Funny, isn't it?

Posted on: 2012/4/29 15:32
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Re: JCIA/DPW Merger
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http://www.jerseycityindependent.com/ ... -push-for-jciadpw-merger/

So..........what now, fulop? What happened to your support?


Support is there.

Look, there happens to be two groups of people involved here: city taxpr and city employees. The first group will support rational cost cutting measures, the second group will - just as naturally - oppose.

I, being a taxpayer, hope Fulop remembers which group he was hired to represent.

Posted on: 2012/4/28 1:38
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Re: God belongs on the streets in Jersey City
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This says it all on this topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o


Hear, hear.

Atheists are the most intolerant, bigoted and disrespectful to other people's faith.

That is, of course, when they are not afraid of those other people.

Posted on: 2012/4/4 3:48
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Re: Governor Christie halts new train tunnel into Manhattan due to cost overun
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I really find the idea that we'd be better off with a tiny federal government laughable. It?s not always great, but if we were basically 50 different countries competing with each other, with a mishmash of totally different laws in each one, we?d not be the rich superpower we are now.


Yeah, I know, diversity - who wants that? (shudder)



BTW, I wonder how we managed to BECOME a superpower, while having that "mishmash". By your reasoning, Brasil, Argentina, Australia - all should have surpassed us.

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Probably would have been overrun by the French or Spanish or even the Brits.


Are those the same Brits that live in a small country the size of Michigan?

Funny, isn't it - how the Swiss can have a very strong economy, and a history of surviving in the middle of the cesspool that is Europe - through TWO world wars, - while having the government based on a VERY strong federative principles.

If that works for THEIR size - how can you possibly claim that it can't work for us?


Me thinks that the REAL problem is - competition.

You want to implement your ideas - but you do not want us to be able to compare it to the state next door that didn't implement them.

This is what motivates you to demand that everyone should march in formation.

Posted on: 2012/3/25 0:12
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Re: Jersey City Deputy Mayor Leona Beldini -- convicted of bribery
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Did anybody here voted for her?

Posted on: 2012/3/24 0:40
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Memo contradicts Corzine's testimony
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MF?s Corzine Ordered Funds Moved to JP Morgan, Memo Says:

"Jon S. Corzine, MF Global Holding Ltd. (MFGLQ)?s chief executive officer, gave ?direct instructions? to transfer $200 million from a customer fund account to meet an overdraft in a brokerage account with JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM), according to a memo written by congressional investigators"

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?I never gave any instruction to misuse customer funds, I never intended anyone at MF Global to misuse customer funds and I don?t believe that anything I said could reasonably have been interpreted as an instruction to misuse customer funds,? Corzine told lawmakers in December"

Posted on: 2012/3/24 0:36
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Re: Toll Brother's Travesty in the PAD
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SammytheT: At the planning board meetings back in 2007, Toll Bros stated that they would preserve the facade of the A&P warehouse on the Provost Street side...I guess that wasn't part of the final plan though.

In any case, I hope the tower design has changed. The design shown on the SLCE website is about unimaginative as a design can get. Why don't they just stack a bunch of shipping containers and paint the whole thing brown if they're just making a big rectangular building?


If this is the one I just saw - they were trying to repeat the pattern of the warehouse next door, no?

Posted on: 2012/3/17 18:37
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Re: Toll Brother's Travesty in the PAD
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I'd much rather my neighborhood look like a "rat's hole" than have it crawling with people and cars. One of the many reasons I like my neighborhood is because it is quiet and peaceful. Neighbors look out for one another. It's a good little community. This is just another travesty to add to JC's list of shame.


This is a city. If you want peace, quiet, and fewer people, buy a farm.


Or, buy that neighborhood - and keep it as a "rat's hole" if that is your pleasure.

Posted on: 2012/3/17 18:29
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Re: Jersey City to push to include Little India in Newark Avenue Restaurant Row
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The RR plan isn't FORCING new restaurants to open, but ALLOWING them to open. Whether new or existing restaurants succeed or fail is completely up to them.


Yes, we are not forcing them to open.

But we do force them to open in some specific place.

And deny them opportunity to open where they want.

So, you can't claim that succeed or fail is completely up to them.

Posted on: 2012/3/17 18:19
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Re: Goldman Sachs on Jersey City waterfront 'tense' after negative remarks by departing executive
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Weird.

Is this the same Goldman Sachs that gave used to employ financial genius John Corzine?

So... that guy who just resigned, is he going to follow in the footsteps of the others from the GS alumni?

Posted on: 2012/3/17 4:35
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Re: Jersey City to push to include Little India in Newark Avenue Restaurant Row
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Let me get this straight. First, city creates a rule that restaurants can not be placed close to each other.

Then it creates an exception.

And then it "pushes" to add something to the exception.

Posted on: 2012/3/16 2:16
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Re: Eight candidates vying for three open seats on Jersey City Board of Education
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We all should applaude Councilman Steven Fulop for his efforts to make our school system a better place.


I am all ready to. However, the problem is, - I have no idea what exactly Councilman did.

Is there some description, - I mean, something to the point, not the usual political "was fighting for education".

Posted on: 2012/3/6 4:44
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Re: Tax Assessment
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Interesting. So, if the condo is evaluated at 300K, and it is let out for 2K, than after the city takes its cut, the owner will be left with the less than 1% income?

That not counting the amount he will need to spend on condo fees, or repairs, or whatnot.

Which would mean that the market prices of the properties will have to go way down in order to make those properties attractive. Like 50% it seems.

Unless the taxes are reduced drastically to about 2-3%

Am I missing something?

Posted on: 2012/2/15 5:19
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Re: Bayonne the new Netherlands ?
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I didn't say they're invulnerable, I said they're a lot harder to break than a regular bulb. Regular bulbs are super fragile, in case you haven't noticed.


Where does your information about CFLs being "lot harder to break" come from?

In my experience, there is no difference whatsoever.

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And wasn't it you that said CFLs have 7% less mercury? Or something along those lines?


Oh, this is soooo cool !

So, you argue without actually trying to READ the argument you are arguing against?

Well, that explains SO MUCH.

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I don't know, I don't really go around smashing lightbulbs in my house so I'm not particularly worried about anything.


Sorry, the question is not whether you would "go around smahing lightbulbs".

The questions was - are you absolutely sure that you, or your kids, or guests or Comcast cable guy, or whoever else, - would never, ever smash one of those lamps in your house by accident - EVER?

Because if you accept that there is a good chance it will happen, - you really need not worry about mercury produced by all them power plants.

Posted on: 2012/2/12 22:23
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Re: Bayonne the new Netherlands ?
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Man have you ever messed around with a CFL? They're much harder to break than a regular lightbulb.


I am not sure I understand.

DO you claim that if a CFL falls on the floor by accident, - it does not break? Nor when you hit it with a ladder when trying to get something from the top shelf? Nor when kids throw a football in the house and hit it?

Or do you mean that no american family can possibly experience those extreme events?

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And I don't understand the point anyway? CFLs use wayyyy less electricity, they last longer, and they're not as fragile. I save money, and I don't have to break out the ladder to change bulbs as often. And apparently there's less mercury too. Why wouldn't I use them?


I just explained to you that to achieve that "less mercury" you must NEVER break a CFL in your house.

We shall see how you manage.

Posted on: 2012/2/12 2:36
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Belgium can kiss my American ass.

And don't be calling bullshit on my can-do spirit, bud, because I came to this country from rotten Europe with $100 to my name, and now I am proudly a 1-percenter, in the OWS parlance.

Every cent of it earned by hard, honest work, not WS shenanigans. Could never happen in Europe. Please tell the kind Belgians to go eff themselves from me. Thanks so much.
how are you American if you came here from Europe?


Have you heard of naturalization?


Easy for you to say! I imagine you live near the shoreline and can see both Ellis Island and the Statue of Liberty.

Sure, you know things that some people from the backwoods of Hamilton Park have not ever got a chance to hear about.

Posted on: 2012/2/12 2:31
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Re: Battleship New Jersey
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Well, here is a thought:

If someone says "Let's break communism!"
And everyone else responds with "oh, no, it is impossible!"
If that someone says, - "here is HOW we are going to do that"
And everyone else responds with "oh, no it's impossible"

And then it happens exactly like that someone predicted.

And everyone else says "oh, but it didn't happen because of you, it happened on its own, we all knew it was going to happen..."


Well, sorry, but no. If you guys are really that smart - why did not you predict it BEFORE it happened?


How do you fit into your story the various people, like, oh, every single president, who had been working for and predicting the fall of the USSR for the previous 70 years? Just ahead of their time? Reagan's arms race was no different than the "missile gap" arms race of the late 50's or the space race. He won the musical chairs of doing it when the system was tired and had a leader who wasn't committed to keeping it going. I'll bet had Putin been in Gorbachev's seat things would have turned out differently.


Before Reagan, US presidents were trying "detente" and "containment". Not one of them ever, EVER - made it his goal to defeat and destroy the Communism.

Even the most dedicated anti-communist before Reagan, - Kennedy, - was too weak to finish even small things he started and backed every time in a face-off with Khrushef.

But even he, the one who was murdered by a communist, - never ever planned to destroy communism.

If you do not agree, - tell me which one president ever did plan to defeat communism.

Here are few choice quotes, and here is a bigger collection of contemporary quotes about Reagan.

As I said - it is very, very easy to proclaim that "oh, it is just HAPPENED when he was President". If that were true - why did journalists, politology professors, and politicians were so sure that Reagan was going to screw it up and the communism was impossible to defeat?

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Also, Reagan program was OH SO MUCH DIFFERENT! USSR was pushed to spend about half of the country resources to try to overcome USA. I was right there, - when me and most of my classmates were immediately assigned to one or another military project in this or that "research institution" right after graduation. I remember how the tone changed, and how hysterical our government had became.

As for Gorbachev, - sorry, but they picked Gorbachev solely because they needed someone new to deal with Reagan. Which was exactly what he did - started negotiation in order to shut down the SDI. And failed.

And then he tried to revamp the industry to squeeze some more juice out of communism - and failed there too.

As for Putin - nope, the result would have been the same. THose people are not religious fanatics. They are just like Hitler, - if nobody stops them, they attack. If they are shown that their attack will mean their destruction, - they retreat. Simple.

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Re: Bayonne the new Netherlands ?
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I guess this means math proved to be too hard to try, eh?

P.S. BTW, I too used to argue along the lines of "but X also does it!" I remember it fondly - nice, easy argument. Had to abandon it though in high-school. My mom told me that it is not for grown-ups.


You should probably read up on the Dunning?Kruger effect before you comment anymore on the internet.


Is it the one when people who can't do arithmetic and are unable to offer any support for their claims, - have to resort to calling others "uneducated" in order to maintain their feeling of intellectual superiority?

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I mean, otherwise it would look like I am the only one who can add numbers... That would be somewhat embarrassing, no? After all, I am but a stoopid unedukatid simpleton...


Even China is phasing out incandescent bulbs. China! China, where they substitute anti-freeze in place of sugar and rivers of sewage and toxic chemicals are tapped for drinking water.

But you know what, if you start eating shards of a your CFL, I'll nominate you for a Darwin award.


I guess this means math proved to be too hard to try, eh?



P.S. BTW, I too used to argue along the lines of "but X also does it!" I remember it fondly - nice, easy argument. Had to abandon it though in high-school. My mom told me that it is not for grown-ups.

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Mercury from the CFLs and their use = 2,259 pounds
Mercury from incandescent bulb usage = 2,425 pounds



Did you note that the comparison is based on ALL the CFL's ending up the environment rather than being properly disposed of? Everyone I know keeps a box of dead CFL's and gets rid of them properly every year or 2, rather than ritualistically smashing them and distributing the remains in their children's beds.


1. It is not enough for "everyone you know" to do that. It is necessary for the majority to do that, - and majority is not going to.

2. As I said, even if majority does do that, - it all is meaningless, if you break just one bulb inside your house.

Now, in your opinion, what would be in a house with 2 kids, - how many of those lamps will get broken in, say, 10 years?

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Re: Battleship New Jersey
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You may want to read this article which contests that Reagan was the one who broke the Soviets. As you have said, lets stop wasting taxpayer money....if the private sector wishes to save this ship so be it....but no more money from the public till. We could spend this money on education, job training or stop invading countries on false lies or supporting dictators, or overthrowing democratic regimes....yeah...democracy my foot!

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles ... the_soviet_union_is_wrong


Well, here is a thought:

If someone says "Let's break communism!"
And everyone else responds with "oh, no, it is impossible!"
If that someone says, - "here is HOW we are going to do that"
And everyone else responds with "oh, no it's impossible"

And then it happens exactly like that someone predicted.

And everyone else says "oh, but it didn't happen because of you, it happened on its own, we all knew it was going to happen..."


Well, sorry, but no. If you guys are really that smart - why did not you predict it BEFORE it happened?

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Nah. They are great as symbols of stupidity.

You see, since winds are not always blowing, and the electricity can not be stored in large quantities, windmills do have to have a conventional power as a backup in any case.

And so they are extremely inefficient.



What I love about you is that no matter how uneducated on a topic you are, you still think you deserve an opinion. ....


Well done! I didn't have the stomach to wack Boris on the nose again. The rote Heritage talking points just make me ill. I specifically mentioned mercury because of the nonsense about them and CFL's. The mercury kept out of the environment by using CFL's to reduce coal electricity production greatly outweighs the amounts put in by CFL breakage and disposal.


Well, according to the calculations from this pro-CFL site, the difference between mercury from CFLs and incandescent lamps is, quote:


Mercury from the CFLs and their use = 2,259 pounds
Mercury from incandescent bulb usage = 2,425 pounds


Less than 7% - that's hardly what you can describe as "greatly outweighs".

However, those calculations assume that the mercury from the CFLs is distributed as evenly as mercury from the smoke from coal plant. Like, if those lamps are going to be broken in the garbage damps, outside.

What if a CFL lamp is broken in the house?

That is 5 milligrams of mercury.
All of it, again, right inside your house.

Now, how often do you think a lamp is broken in an average household? Care to finish the calculations?

I think you should.

I mean, otherwise it would look like I am the only one who deals in numbers and facts... That would be somewhat embarrassing, no? After all, I am but a stoopid unedukatid simpleton...

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Re: Embankment- Update Thread
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Nice strawman. However, public transportation actually assists thousands of people daily, as well as helps link communities. .


Well, this kind of statement is easy to validate. If the light rail is profitable, than it was a good investment. If not, - it is a bad one.


That's actually missing the point of public transportation. It is not meant to be a for-profit venture, it is a public service. At best, they exist not to lose money while providing the service.


No, no missing point at all. If the VALUE of the service to a public is higher than the COSTS, - there will be profit. Simple.

If I am not willing to pay the full price, - it means that the service doesn't provide the value to cover the costs, - this is all there is to it.

Posted on: 2012/2/8 3:37
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