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Here is a guy who committed suicide because he entered the Capitol. He even called the FBI and turned himself in. He pleaded guilty even though he just took pictures of the Capitol and left. The government decided to charge this non-violent person as a domestic terrorist which could give him some serious prison time. The guy went into a deep depression and committed suicide. What was his real crime? He voted for Donald Trump and the Dems who are in charge considers that to be a crime.

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When you start saying these are two separate issues, then you are justifying who can break laws in the US. Besides the death of Ashli and allowing the Capitol officer to get away with it, the next outrageous thing - no bail for the violators. Some are even in total isolation. According to their lawyers, they are kept from family and even their lawyers. That is a crime. The Dems who are running DC are one step below Justin Trudeau of Canada. He threw people in jail without warrants and seized their bank accounts. The US government used our banks like Bank of America and asked them to see who visited DC on Jan. 6th. Some people were arrested who never entered the Capitol but their used their credit/debit cards to go to DC and are now spending money on lawyers to get themselves free. This is wrong.


Uh, okay. You got me there. I don't know how to argue with someone who brings up a whole bunch of completely different topics at the same time, or I don't have the energy to do it. If it was a strategy to simply overwhelm me with a bunch of unrelated other things you think our government has done wrong, it has worked.

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When you start saying these are two separate issues, then you are justifying who can break laws in the US. Besides the death of Ashli and allowing the Capitol officer to get away with it, the next outrageous thing - no bail for the violators. Some are even in total isolation. According to their lawyers, they are kept from family and even their lawyers. That is a crime. The Dems who are running DC are one step below Justin Trudeau of Canada. He threw people in jail without warrants and seized their bank accounts. The US government used our banks like Bank of America and asked them to see who visited DC on Jan. 6th. Some people were arrested who never entered the Capitol but their used their credit/debit cards to go to DC and are now spending money on lawyers to get themselves free. This is wrong.

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I mentioned illegal immigration because there are actually laws on the book that have criminal charges against anyone who comes here. So, this government plays games with who can break a law. Illegal immigrants can break laws and it is no big deal. In fact, they are given debit cards, placed on buses or airplanes to the places of their choices and receive tax paying funding. While Americans who enter the Capitol are now in jail without bail and Ashli is dead. But here is the trick, those who went to Washington are not Dems, but those who come here illegally will be future Democratic voters. The US sounds like some 3rd World Country.


The two are entirely separate issues and I never even said I didn't have a problem with illegal immigation problems either.

I may well agree with you on some of those illegal immigration issues, but I'm not getting into that, it's entirely separate. Just because I have a different opinion about Ashli Babbitt than you does not mean I might share your opinion on some illegal immigration issues. I mean, really.

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I mentioned illegal immigration because there are actually laws on the book that have criminal charges against anyone who comes here. So, this government plays games with who can break a law. Illegal immigrants can break laws and it is no big deal. In fact, they are given debit cards, placed on buses or airplanes to the places of their choices and receive tax paying funding. While Americans who enter the Capitol are now in jail without bail and Ashli is dead. But here is the trick, those who went to Washington are not Dems, but those who come here illegally will be future Democratic voters. The US sounds like some 3rd World Country.

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Basically, you are saying you do not believe in the Constitution, there is due process under the 5th and 14th Amendments. There are stories in old newspaper clippings on people walking into the Capitol and White House in the 19th century. I remember one where one person actually argued with then President Lincoln on slavery. A common practice in the past does not give the Capitol police the right to shoot to kill for entering a building. Yet the Dems have no problem with illegal immigrants breaking the law to come here. I could quote the verse on illegal immigration but as a liberal, you would not care. They break the law, and tax dollars go to support them here. Ashli enters a building she helps support with her tax dollars and she is murdered.


The level of ignorance you've displayed has barely made this post responding to. Yes, people could freely enter the Capitol buildings and even the White House to request a meeting with the President at one time. I believe it was when Calvin Coolidge was President was when the Secret Service recommended there be no more public access to the White Hosue. It was necessary, given the numbers of nutcases that approached the place as it became easier to travel to Washington. Times have changed and there are security concerns. I also don't think the Constitution gave people the right to riot at the Capitol building and break in through windows. Just a hunch.

I have no idea why you brought up illegal immigrants, I never even mentioned that.

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Basically, you are saying you do not believe in the Constitution, there is due process under the 5th and 14th Amendments. There are stories in old newspaper clippings on people walking into the Capitol and White House in the 19th century. I remember one where one person actually argued with then President Lincoln on slavery. A common practice in the past does not give the Capitol police the right to shoot to kill for entering a building. Yet the Dems have no problem with illegal immigrants breaking the law to come here. I could quote the verse on illegal immigration but as a liberal, you would not care. They break the law, and tax dollars go to support them here. Ashli enters a building she helps support with her tax dollars and she is murdered.

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Your comment makes no sense, no one was threatened when the officer fired his weapon. If that shooting occurred on any urban street in America, that officer would be behind bars now.


I sincerely doubt that. Furthermore, as I've already said, Ms. Babbitt went through the window and tried to go somewhere she wasn't supposed to be. You mess with the bull long enough, you get the horns. If she didn't want to get shot, she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Don't want to get shot? Don't commit a crime.


You have pointed out clearly the difference between being a protester and being a criminal. That building was under attack by trespassers (not protesters) who were somewhere they shouldn't be AND who were destroying property in the US Capitol. Disgraceful and imo, treasonous.


What property did Ashli destroy that legimatized her death, in your opinion? If Minnesota decided not to charge the person who started the fire that resulted in death, why is his 7 sentence fair? His actions killed someone, Ashli harmed no one.


Whether she destroyed anything isn't the point. She was, however, trespassing and entering someplace she wasn't supposed to be. At that point, she waived her rights to any safety.

For the sake of discussion, if I break into a store after it's closed at night, do I have the right to my safety? If the owner just happened to be sleeping there, wakes up and then shoots me, is that something that I should not ever expect to happen, because of the rights to safety I think I have when entering a place I'm not supposed to be entering?

Did Ms. Babbitt think she had the right to her safety and not being shot when entering the space she entered, and were her thoughts correct?

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Your comment makes no sense, no one was threatened when the officer fired his weapon. If that shooting occurred on any urban street in America, that officer would be behind bars now.


I sincerely doubt that. Furthermore, as I've already said, Ms. Babbitt went through the window and tried to go somewhere she wasn't supposed to be. You mess with the bull long enough, you get the horns. If she didn't want to get shot, she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Don't want to get shot? Don't commit a crime.


You have pointed out clearly the difference between being a protester and being a criminal. That building was under attack by trespassers (not protesters) who were somewhere they shouldn't be AND who were destroying property in the US Capitol. Disgraceful and imo, treasonous.


What property did Ashli destroy that legimatized her death, in your opinion? If Minnesota decided not to charge the person who started the fire that resulted in death, why is his 7 sentence fair? His actions killed someone, Ashli harmed no one.

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Your comment makes no sense, no one was threatened when the officer fired his weapon. If that shooting occurred on any urban street in America, that officer would be behind bars now.


I sincerely doubt that. Furthermore, as I've already said, Ms. Babbitt went through the window and tried to go somewhere she wasn't supposed to be. You mess with the bull long enough, you get the horns. If she didn't want to get shot, she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Don't want to get shot? Don't commit a crime.


You have pointed out clearly the difference between being a protester and being a criminal. That building was under attack by trespassers (not protesters) who were somewhere they shouldn't be AND who were destroying property in the US Capitol. Disgraceful and imo, treasonous.

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Your comment makes no sense, no one was threatened when the officer fired his weapon. If that shooting occurred on any urban street in America, that officer would be behind bars now.


I sincerely doubt that. Furthermore, as I've already said, Ms. Babbitt went through the window and tried to go somewhere she wasn't supposed to be. You mess with the bull long enough, you get the horns. If she didn't want to get shot, she shouldn't have been there in the first place. Don't want to get shot? Don't commit a crime.

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Your comment makes no sense, no one was threatened when the officer fired his weapon. If that shooting occurred on any urban street in America, that officer would be behind bars now.

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In all municipalities across the US, a cop is only allowed to discharge his/her gun if the officer's life is threatened, or another life is threatened.


Yes, and it's always SO easy for an officer to judge that accurately in just a few seconds, before it is too late. It's a completely realistic policy to follow in every possible law enforcement situation.

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In all municipalities across the US, a cop is only allowed to discharge his/her gun if the officer's life is threatened, or another life is threatened. Neither of these thresholds happened to warrant shooting anyone from the Capitol police officer. His life was not in danger and Ashli posed no threat. Ashli had no weapons nor told anyone she was going to harm them. By the way, on March 1st, the Truckers will arrive in DC. The mayor in DC has called on the National Guard. Both the mayor and Nancy Pelosi denied Trump's request for the National Guard for Jan. 6th. They are held responsible. And the fact, there was no inquest on the Capitol officer means Nancy did not want Congress to ask questions on why the officer used his gun.

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Neither did the protesters during the summer of 2020 have the right to burn down police stations, court houses or public businesses but they did, and the Dems called them heroes. I have seen the video of the protesters entering the Capitol. Some people climbed in others had the door opened for them by the Capitol police and the walked between the ropes as though they were at a museum. I blame Nancy Pelosi for the riot because she nixed Trump's request for the National Guard which would have been stationed outside the Capitol building. Indict Nancy instead.


I agree with you 100% about the Seattle protestors in the summer of 2020, they didn't have any right and I certainly didn't call them heroes, and they should consider themselves lucky they didn't get hurt or shot. Ms. Abbitt wasn't so lucky and so she suffered the consequences. I saw the tape. She was climbing the window of a place she wasn't supposed to be going. Some people can get away with something like that - as you've indicated - but she wasn't so lucky. She played with the bull too long and got the horns. Bad luck? Definitely. An injustice? Hell no. Just as I would not consider it an injustice if someone was shot while attacking and burning down a police station. You break the law (violently, or by going somewhere you're not supposed to go), you waive your rights to any real safety.

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Neither did the protesters during the summer of 2020 have the right to burn down police stations, court houses or public businesses but they did, and the Dems called them heroes. I have seen the video of the protesters entering the Capitol. Some people climbed in others had the door opened for them by the Capitol police and the walked between the ropes as though they were at a museum. I blame Nancy Pelosi for the riot because she nixed Trump's request for the National Guard which would have been stationed outside the Capitol building. Indict Nancy instead.

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Ashli is not a traitor, even right now, the Biden administration is asking the courts not to release the findings on Dominion voting machines, which by the way are used in NJ. She had every right to protest. She did not harm anyone. By comparison, the BLM/Antifa rioters did harm, and some even killed people, yet the Dems gave them bail money and called the heroes. She was there to protest the vote. The Dems are quiet on the fire that happened in Minnesota and someone got killed. The guy who started the fire in which a life was lost will only get 7 years, he will not be charged for murder.
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She had every right to protest but she did NOT have the right to enter the building she entered and climb through a window where there was a barricade and they CLEARLY did not want to allow people to enter. All these other people you name could have just as easily been shot while they were doing what they were doing, they were just lucky it didn't happen.

Once again Yvonne, had Ms. Babbitt not been there and NOT tried to climb through the window, would she have been shot?

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Ashli is not a traitor, even right now, the Biden administration is asking the courts not to release the findings on Dominion voting machines, which by the way are used in NJ. She had every right to protest. She did not harm anyone. By comparison, the BLM/Antifa rioters did harm, and some even killed people, yet the Dems gave them bail money and called the heroes. She was there to protest the vote. The Dems are quiet on the fire that happened in Minnesota and someone got killed. The guy who started the fire in which a life was lost will only get 7 years, he will not be charged for murder.
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There was no investigation as compared to when a cop shoots someone, in fact, Nancy Pelosi, who is in charge of the Capitol Police did not want the cop's name out in the public. There was no hearing. It was just swept under the rug. Ashli was executed, her crime - a Trump supporter. Nancy Pelosi is accountable for not having the National Guard when then Trump requested it days before Jan. 6th.


You STILL haven't answered my question, Yvonne. If Ms. Babbitt hadn't been there in the first place, and hadn't tried to smash through that window of a door that had been barricaded and clearly where she was not supposed to enter, would there have been any shooting? Would she have been killed?


Ashli Babbit served her country, yes, but so did Benedict Arnold, and exactly like Benedict Arnold she was a traitor to the United States of America, as were all the "rioters". She got shot. Oh well.

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There was no investigation as compared to when a cop shoots someone, in fact, Nancy Pelosi, who is in charge of the Capitol Police did not want the cop's name out in the public. There was no hearing. It was just swept under the rug. Ashli was executed, her crime - a Trump supporter. Nancy Pelosi is accountable for not having the National Guard when then Trump requested it days before Jan. 6th.


You STILL haven't answered my question, Yvonne. If Ms. Babbitt hadn't been there in the first place, and hadn't tried to smash through that window of a door that had been barricaded and clearly where she was not supposed to enter, would there have been any shooting? Would she have been killed?

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There was no investigation as compared to when a cop shoots someone, in fact, Nancy Pelosi, who is in charge of the Capitol Police did not want the cop's name out in the public. There was no hearing. It was just swept under the rug. Ashli was executed, her crime - a Trump supporter. Nancy Pelosi is accountable for not having the National Guard when then Trump requested it days before Jan. 6th.

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So you have a female police officer who accidently uses her gun instead of her Taser to arrest a black youth who resisted arrest. She gets jail time. The person in the car was warned to come out but resisted.
But a black capitol officer, hides behind a column or wall, someone actually recorded the shooting, and kills a white woman without a weapon and no warning. There are no charges, she was not a danger to anyone and the only reason I believe she was shot is because she was up high on someone's shoulder. Before Ashli was shot, she was talking to a reporter and when Ashli turned her head forward, she received a fatal bullet in the neck. The capitol police officer did not offer aid to the victim as required by law, he just disappeared in the crowd. People today have cell phones, and this was recorded. This was an execution.


Obviously whoever conducted the investigation thought differently. Furthermore, I'll ask you again, would this "execution" ever have happened had she not attempted to climb through a window of a place she wasn't supposed to be in the first place?

When you break the law, there are risks that are assumed. Okay, perhaps a 5 year old that steals gum from a convenience store rack still retains some rights to their safety. A grown woman who climbs through a broken window of a government building she knows full well she's not supposed to enter but does it anyway waives all rights to her safety. You don't want to get shot, don't commit a crime in the first place.

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So you have a female police officer who accidently uses her gun instead of her Taser to arrest a black youth who resisted arrest. She gets jail time. The person in the car was warned to come out but resisted.
But a black capitol officer, hides behind a column or wall, someone actually recorded the shooting, and kills a white woman without a weapon and no warning. There are no charges, she was not a danger to anyone and the only reason I believe she was shot is because she was up high on someone's shoulder. Before Ashli was shot, she was talking to a reporter and when Ashli turned her head forward, she received a fatal bullet in the neck. The capitol police officer did not offer aid to the victim as required by law, he just disappeared in the crowd. People today have cell phones, and this was recorded. This was an execution.

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That is a lie, no one was warmed before the cop shot because there is actually video of the incident by people who were there. By the way, there are cameras all over the Capitol but Nancy Pelosi refuses to have the video released. She was unarmed and not threatening anyone. You, caj11, are rationalizing an evil act. This woman was murdered.


Warning or no warning, would she have been "murdered" had she not climbed through the window of the Capitol building in the first place?

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That is a lie, no one was warmed before the cop shot because there is actually video of the incident by people who were there. By the way, there are cameras all over the Capitol but Nancy Pelosi refuses to have the video released. She was unarmed and not threatening anyone. You, caj11, are rationalizing an evil act. This woman was murdered.

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The police officer did not give any warning before he shot, in fact no one saw him since he was hiding behind a wall or pole. She was shot the way ducks are shot in the air. She was unarmed and not threatening anyone. If she was black and male, there would have been rioting, burning of DC and a hearing on this death. The officer would have faced jail time. But liberals play a double standard.

By the way, why isn't Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of DC held accountable? It came out Trump asked for the National Guard but both of them nixed the idea.


According to what I read, this woman was warned before the officer shot her. But really, she shouldn't have been where she was in the first place. When you go committing a crime this serious, you have waived your right to safety. If you tangle with the bull long enough, you get the horns.

You also mentioned the "black and male" part of it. If she had been black and male, I don't know if there would have been any rioting or burning, but then people would have said "if he had been white, people would be outraged", or "if he had been white, he wouldn't have been shot" or something along those lines. There's always a racial angle with stories like these, whether it truly means anything or not. An officer was doing his job and would have shot the person regardless of their color.

Remember Bernie Goetz and the four men he shot that attempted to mug him on the subway? Different situation perhaps but those men were ultimately committing a crime as well. Whether they all deserved to be shot and whether Darrell Cabey deserved the multiple rounds of lead he got is a subject for debate, but the principle is essentially the same - tangle with the bull long enough and you get the horns. No right to safety when committing a crime or at least a potentially violent and dangerous crime.

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The police officer did not give any warning before he shot, in fact no one saw him since he was hiding behind a wall or pole. She was shot the way ducks are shot in the air. She was unarmed and not threatening anyone. If she was black and male, there would have been rioting, burning of DC and a hearing on this death. The officer would have faced jail time. But liberals play a double standard.

By the way, why isn't Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of DC held accountable? It came out Trump asked for the National Guard but both of them nixed the idea.


According to what I read, this woman was warned before the officer shot her. But really, she shouldn't have been where she was in the first place. When you go committing a crime this serious, you have waived your right to safety. If you tangle with the bull long enough, you get the horns.

You also mentioned the "black and male" part of it. If she had been black and male, I don't know if there would have been any rioting or burning, but then people would have said "if he had been white, people would be outraged", or "if he had been white, he wouldn't have been shot" or something along those lines. There's always a racial angle with stories like these, whether it truly means anything or not. An officer was doing his job and would have shot the person regardless of their color.

Remember Bernie Goetz and the four men he shot that attempted to mug him on the subway? Different situation perhaps but those men were ultimately committing a crime as well. Whether they all deserved to be shot and whether Darrell Cabey deserved the multiple rounds of lead he got is a subject for debate, but the principle is essentially the same - tangle with the bull long enough and you get the horns. No right to safety when committing a crime.

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The police officer did not give any warning before he shot, in fact no one saw him since he was hiding behind a wall or pole. She was shot the way ducks are shot in the air. She was unarmed and not threatening anyone. If she was black and male, there would have been rioting, burning of DC and a hearing on this death. The officer would have faced jail time. But liberals play a double standard.

By the way, why isn't Nancy Pelosi and the mayor of DC held accountable? It came out Trump asked for the National Guard but both of them nixed the idea.

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Ashli Babbitt was committing a crime when she stormed the Capitol building. It's unfortunate she was killed but that police officer was only doing his job and there were investigations, by both the DC Metropolitan Police Department and the US Department of Justice, both of which found the shooting lawful and within department policy. Ms. Babbitt took the risk of getting killed by doing what she did and unfortunately suffered the consequences. Not only should she not have been climbing through the shattered window into the Capitol building, she should have heeded warnings by police and Secret Service not to climb through it (numerous witnesses that were not law enforcement corrorborate what happened). If one of the armed officers left a loaded gun in a men's room at the Capitol that was extremely reckless and should have been disciplined but has nothing to do with the shooting of Ms. Babbitt.

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The cop that killed Ashli Babbitt on Jan. 6 incident, so left a loaded gun in the men's room in the Capitol but nothing happened to him. There was no investigation in either incident.

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