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Speaking of new path stations, I recently emailed Candice Osborne about discussing with the Port Authority a new station in between Grove and Journal Square (somewhere around Brunswick). These two stations are nearly 2 miles apart, and there are a ton of new developments that are going up or have gone up already in the Village neighborhood. Folks around the Enos Jones area have to walk 20-30 mins to get to a station, and there are ~200 new units going up there.
Candice said she would discuss it with the PA, and the PA did get back to me saying they would take a look at this as a long-term project.
Posted on: 2014/8/12 14:08
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You do realize the station would be on Columbus right? Columbus & Bruswick is only 2500' from Grove. And that's still 2200 ft from Pavonia & Brunswick. From P & B to Grove via Newark is 4000 ft, and if that takes you 20 minutes you've got to stop dragging your feet. Googlemaps clocks it at 16 min, seems about right. The same radius from the station in Hoboken would only be at 6th & Willow, not considered far there at all. Oh, and the stations only 1.5 miles apart, not 2. I'd say Candace & the PA is humoring you. That's what they do.
Posted on: 2014/8/12 15:09
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Great. No one is questioning whether this station would be good for the development of the immediate area. A station would help any neighborhood, that's obvious and no one needs John Ward Beekman's thoughts to know that. Everyone just thinks you're crazy if you think that this station + leapfrogging is going to make the path system any less crowded.
Posted on: 2014/8/12 15:32
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You're correct, I always thought it ran under Newark Ave. Wouldn't make much sense then, too bad.
Posted on: 2014/8/12 17:07
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Agreed. I do think a station just west of I-78 where the train comes out of the tunnel would be a smart long-term strategy, though. There's a lot of land in that vicinity that could be developed that's basically just used for storage now (plus the abandoned rail track that runs along I-78 and connects to the HBLR at either end--could eventually be activated if there were new development). That would cover a lot of areas that are right now a really long walk from both Grove and JSQ while also opening the possibility of new development in a rundown region of the city.
Posted on: 2014/8/12 17:15
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There?s no need to combine the idea of a Marion stop with the idea of skip-stop service. They are two different ideas, and should be considered separately.
The idea of a Marion stop seems like a fine idea. It could be built without excavation, which should keep the capital expense from becoming exorbitant. It could help development of the west side. (Maybe it would even encourage Mana to be open to visitors on the weekends.  ) Everyone should realize that the Marion stop would add a minute in ?dwell? time, which is the amount of time it takes for the train to slow down, stop, open doors, unload/load passengers, and start up again. The idea of skip-stop service on a one-track system only makes sense if the operator uses the decreased dwell time to run all trains more frequently. When NYC Transit ran 1/9 skip-stop rush-hour service in uptown Manhattan between 1989 and 2005, the theory was that the decreased dwell time in those stations allowed the system overall to run 28 trains an hour, rather than 25 trains an hour. Here is an interesting article about why 1/9 skip-stop rush hour service was implemented, and why it was discontinued. In JC, skip-stop service at Grove and Newport doesn?t make much sense when those tracks already service two lines each. (NWK-WTC and JSQ-33 at Grove; JSQ-33 and HOB-WTC at Newport.) Passengers at those stations already have the equivalent of skip-stop wait times because only every other train is going to their desired destination. Yvonne?s skip-stop service idea also doesn?t make sense because the Marion stop is most logically a stop only on the NWK-WTC line. You can?t economically build a whole terminal at Marion, with the extra tracks to enable switching between inbound and outbound trains. Unless you extend every JSQ-33 train to the Newark terminal, Marion trains wouldn?t be going to Newport at all. Here?s a different idea: An easy way to alleviate congestion at Grove and Newport would be to extend the rush hours when JSQ-33 trains roll every 5 minutes. Between 9:30 and 10:30 a.m., and between 7:00 and 8:00 p.m., those JSQ-33 trains are ridiculously crowded. It is far worse at 9:45 a.m. inbound than at at any time between 8:00 a.m. and 9:30 a.m. Does anyone disagree? And this suggestion would not require any additional capital spending ? just more operational spending. I won?t comment on the idea of an additional stop at Brunswick. But here?s another idea that might stir the pot: Add a stop at Cornelison and Academy. This would require re-routing the train to use the rail spur that loops to the south of the current tracks, just west of Merseles Street. A Cornelison stop would open up development near the county office building and along Montgomery. It would make The Beacon much more attractive. It probably would help McGinley Square. And someone mentioned the Cast Iron Lofts. That entire area from 15th to 18th is ready to pop. HBLR should add a stop at 18th and Coles. Fire away, folks!
Posted on: 2014/8/12 17:31
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Its probably worth noting that any additional stations are at least a decade away given the long term planning on the Port Authority.
As to articulated trains, they will almost certainly need to be new equipment. Luckily the MTA is already investigating articulated trains. The new PA5 cars are basically modified R143 rolling stock used on the 4,5,6, so if the MTA develops new articulated vehicles, its possible the 6th generation Port Authority cars could be as well. One possibility to expand current capacity could be replacing seats on the trains with folding seats that lock closed at rush hour allowing more space. Again, the MTA has experimented with this, though I'm not sure what the result was. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/n ... ush-hour-article-1.314241 Long term, the PATH will need longer rush hour-hours. Part of the reluctant likely stems from how rail operators are scheduled. Typically, to service rush hours, two things happen. One, overnight crews finish at the end of rush hour, so they can't work longer because they are the end of their shift. Second, rush hour train crews work for a period in the morning and a period in the afternoon with time off at half-pay in between. Its likely that the current shut off times for rush hour service are based around minimizing overtime and not hiring extra crews. As far as the HBLR system, there is a straight portion on the track designed for a station. More than a decade ago, a developer was looking to build a high rise on the land and would have constructed the light rail station as part of the plan-- it would have gone through the tower's base. However, mostly do to opposition from Height's residents concerned about their views, the tower was not built. NJTransit is currently considering construction of a station there but probably needs more development around the site or might use it as a carrot to get approval for the redevelopment of the rail yard. (Thats a sticky issue because legally they don't need approval, since they are state land, but do want it politically. Hoboken's Zimmer, who is frightened of development, has done her best to stop it.) Anyway, long term planning has a station going in there near Jersey Ave. That doesn't really help get people across the river though.
Posted on: 2014/8/12 18:09
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Adding stops to other places are fine, but Marion has the tracks that the PATH uses. It doesn't take a mountain a money to add the platform. It would service: Mana, Canco, Brunswick Towers and bunches of smaller condo in that area. Our public officials should be speaking on this. The former County Executive, Bobby J was on the Port Authority Board. Who is on the Port Authority board from Hudson County now?
Posted on: 2014/8/12 22:12
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Posted on: 2014/8/13 11:17
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