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Posted on: 2015/5/8 7:56
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Not to disappoint NJ Transit riders, but building an Amtrak tunnel is great for Amtrak riders who desperately need more high speed service in and out of NYC, but the Amtrak tunnel will have fewer than half as many local commuter trains than ARC. This was supposed to have been the third rail tunnel built after ARC, not an ARC replacement.
Posted on: 2015/5/7 18:43
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Posted on: 2015/5/7 18:01
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Great job by Obama, let's hope NY doesn't try and screw NJ again by not being a true partner in the project.
Posted on: 2015/5/7 16:43
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President Obama's transportation undersecretary said the administration wants to put a funding plan together to build a second Hudson River rail tunnel.
But the states have to come to the table, said Peter Rogoff, USDOT undersecretary for policy. "We want to work with you to put that (funding) package together soon," Rohoff said at a Trans-Hudson transportation summit Thursday morning. "In 20 months we'll be leaving and we won't leave without finding a way. (But) We need action by the governors, the legislators and by our own Congress," he said. Story
Posted on: 2015/5/7 16:38
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First, get your facts straight, lol. http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20101 ... rain-extension-new-jersey
RU, if you wanted NJ to pay for every single red cent of the inevitable multi-billion dollar cost overruns for the tunnel to Macy's basement you should have re-elected Corslime (you know, the real criminal from the Statehouse-well, after McGreevey).
Posted on: 2014/11/7 19:09
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The PA shouldn't have funds for jack crap. They are a corrupt organization and they should be shuttered.
The ARC should have been built because it would make life easier for everyone in NJ who commutes to NYC or could get a (better) job there. But it wasn't because one man's braggadoccio and needing an "achievement" to add to a bare resume. If he didn't want the ARC he should have supported the MTA expanding the 7 over here- and NY would have bought on because that would have opened NJ jobs to people in Queens, and vice versa... NJ needs infrastructure but it shouldn't be in the hands of a political mafia.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 18:33
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PA asked for funds from Obama's 'shovel ready' stimulus to complete this project and was turned down. But just on the point that the Metro area (and specifically NJ) gets a piss poor return on taxes sent the Feds should step up and pay the most, with the other stakeholders sharing the rest.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 17:54
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What I think should happen is we raise federal income taxes to a significantly higher rate and fund all of these projects through federal grants. But just like I don't think its a political reality that NY will fund a significant portion of a trans-Hudson tunnel at the expense of more badly needed projects in the city and upstate, I don't think its a political reality to expect Federal politicians to act in the best interest of the country and raise income taxes to pay for the nation's infrastructure, no matter how good a public policy it is.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 17:32
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Again, if you think NY pols shouldn't fund NJ Transit projects that benefit both NY and NJ you shouldn't expect NJ pols to fund projects that benefit PA residents.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 16:57
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The Lackawanna cut-off project will now terminate in Hoboken, since there is no NJTransit tunnel to NYC to accommodate the service. As for the infrastructure in Pennsylvania, a lot of that will eventually be paid for by Pennsylvania and through federal funding. The first Pennsylvania station will likely be at Steamtown, where Pennsylvania is planning a major bus station while leaving room for an eventual train platform. But to the political reality of NYC diverting a large portion of money to fund a train to NJ? I just don't see where there would be any political support for that. Best case would be the real estate development interests on the west side rail yard pressuring the state to invest, but they already have the 7 train and as I mentioned, they are already exploring bringing Metro North to Penn Station. Again, I don't think there is a political reality where a NY politician can justify to voters that instead of building the next phase of the Second avenue line or instead of building a rail line over the Hudson in Tarrytown, the state will instead invest in building to New Jersey. I mean, I don't know what political world you live in, but that shit isn't going to fly with voters whether they are on Long Island, in the city or upstate.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 16:34
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ian, you don't think NY would help pay for NJ Transit improvements which will being income tax revenue in NY, but you expect NJ Transit to fund a rail line to bring in Pennsylvania residents into NYC so they can pay NY state income tax?
Posted on: 2014/11/7 15:55
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I doubt any NY State politician will support paying for a Hudson River tunnel when so much needs to be done in New York State. Much more pressing for New Yorkers is the completion of the Second Avenue Subway and after that the construction of the X Line that crosses Brooklyn and Queens.
Also the MTA has started looking into expanding Metro North service along the Hudson River directly to Penn Station, which is also much more pressing than building a tunnel to New Jersey. Fortunately, an Amtrak tunnel is much more likely to be paid for by Amtrak rather than relying on state funding. High speed rail service will be a great economic driver for the entire region. Of course, this doesn't solve the problem NJTransit faces, which is the need to add more trains to meet existing demand, the need for expanding direct access from Bergen County, construction of the Scranton to NYC line, construction of the Monmouth-Middlesex Line, and expanding midtown direct service on the other lines with DMU service.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 15:23
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the ny giants played in the ny superbowl, but both are/were in nj...discuss amongst yourselves!
Posted on: 2014/11/7 5:13
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NY benefits far more from Amtrak than NJ. The Boston/DC corridor is centered around Penn/NY, not Newark Penn/Metropark.
Posted on: 2014/11/7 3:00
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Posted on: 2014/11/7 2:07
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Because NY benefits, as NJ commuters who work in NY State pay not only NY State income taxes, but they also pay NY State income tax on their total family income, regardless of whether your spouse works in NY State or not. And besides, NY should, as the Democrats like to say, pay its fair share.
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Posted on: 2014/11/6 23:49
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Amtrak's plan still doesn't address why NY should agree to pay a dime. What's Cuomo's motivation here? That several years down the line, some NYC based corporations *may* lose some employees who can't work from home, move, or find different commuting options? Doesn't seem like a great argument for spending billions.
That said, I totally agree that NY paying their share is a fair solution. But given the economic realities of the situation, I'm just not sure that this scenario is very likely.
Posted on: 2014/11/6 23:17
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It's much cheaper to add double decker trains, as NJ Transit has begun to use. Too bad PATH doesn't have that option. In any case, this type of funding model would be fair for additional rail tunnels, which are all AMTRAK now anyway.
Posted on: 2014/11/6 22:30
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Amtrak should definitely build its new tunnels. Those new tunnels though will be owned by Amtrak and not NJTransit, they will give Amtrak priority service, they will not add 27 trains an hour to the urban core where high paying jobs are located, and they will not allow NJTransit to expand services along new lines or connect Bergen County with direct train access.
Posted on: 2014/11/6 22:13
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This could be it. The Feds, properly, would finally return some pork (and jobs) to NJ and NY by funding up to 80% of the cost, with NY, NJ, and Amtrak making up the rest. Cost overruns would be shared, and not solely on the back of NJ taxpayers. It looks like the Fat Man saved NJ taxpayers billions and billions of dollars if this pans out. http://www.nj.com/traffic/index.ssf/2 ... lt_in_7.html#incart_river
Posted on: 2014/11/6 22:08
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