Oneskirt, a typo is when you make the mistake one time ,not when you repeat the same mistake.,and before you submit the post you have the chance to change it by previewing your post and if you find a typo or mistake you have the chance to correct any mistakes you made before you submit it. I'd rather be known as a dick then someone who is ignorant.

OneSkirt, I don't understand how you can state what PROBABLE CAUSE is since you keep referring to it as probably cause, which makes no Grammatical sense whatsoever . Speeding and leaving the scene (if in fact that happened) again in and of itself are not probable cause for an alcotest. I would tell you and the rest of the people what the probable cause for an alcotest is ,but unless you research it yourself ,you won't learn anything. I suggest you make a trip to the library and research PROBABLE CAUSE for the administration of an alcotest. Just don't look for it under probably cause because you'll never find it.

Jcman, again just because he was indicted doesn't mean he's guilty, and again We still have a Constitution in this Country and last I checked New Jersey is still part of the U.S. and again in order for a breathalyzer to be administered there must be PROBABLE CAUSE ,which leaving the scene (if in fact thats the case) in and of itself IS NOT PROBABLE CAUSE. Again since your stating that if you leave the scene of an accident a breathalyzer can be administered , please cite the case law to back up your statement. Take as much time as you need because I already know the answer.(Hint there is no case law)

I must have missed the article that stated the off-duty officer was drinking. Oh wait it never stated that the officer was drinking,just another fabrication . Again if you are going to make statements or give opinions do so on the facts at hand otherwise it diminishes the value of your opinion, and indicates your prejudices.

In order for a breathalyzer to be administered, whether accident(fatal or otherwise) or a motor vehicle stop, there is something that is called PROBABLE CAUSE which must be established in order to administer a breathalyzer. At least according to the U.S.Constitution as currently written.Everyone that is on JCLIST claiming that breathalyzers are administered for every fatal accident are only displaying their lack of Knowledge. I suggest that before you post all these statements you should do some research ,I mean its not that hard, all you have to do is go to the Public Library and read the United States Constitution. Last Time I checked the Police didn't give up their constitutional rights.

Fat Ass Bike, sobriety tests should be compulsory in all fatal accidents, theres only 1 problem with that , which it is called the United States Constitution. Last time I checked we still have a Constitution and unless I am mistaken Police Officers in Jersey City are United States Citizens and as such are afforded those rights.In order for a sobriety test to be administered there must be Probable Cause, simply because it was a fatal ACCIDENT doesn't mean the driver was drunk. So enlighten me what is the Probable Cause for a sobriety test?

If a car is parked on private property and it does not belong to the owner of the property, the owner of said property can have it towed .JCPD and the parking authority cannot have the vehicle towed,since it is on private property.Most tow companies will tow it for example you can try any of the following tow companies,logan, my-way,nj towing,truchan bros, etc. You can also have either the parking authority or the police department respond and issue a summons for parking on private property(39:4-56) .The towing company will then notify the owner of vehicle that they have the vehicle and what the cost is to retrieve it. If the car is not claimed within a certain amount of time ( i believe between 30 and 60 days) the tow company has the right to have the vehicle titled over to them and can either sell the vehicle,or do what they want with it.

JSleaze, the fact is the city ymade 4 million dollars off of police officer's off duty work. You can try blurrying the facts any way you want.Some details have more then 1 officer working you also have bank details, high school sporting events and if a marked radio car is utiliuzed the city gets money for that as well.And by the way there's 52 weeks in a year not 50

vigilante, you might want to check your facts about why there no longer movies or tv shows kilming here.If you believe its because the police officer's make 50 dollars an hour your sadly mistaken.For example Law and Order SVU filmed in North Bergen until last year when the fees became extremely exorbinant. And as a point there is no police officer that worked that detail.And it's not outsourcing overtime ,the fact is police officer's are hired by the construction companies to limit their liability.If they have a police officer working the liability is removed from the construction companies and therefore it is far cheaper to hire a police officer than pay insurance premiums. All at no cost to the taxpayer in fact the city gets five dollars per hr that every officer works. Last year Jersey city recieved four million dollars !! Now eliminate the off duty work and were does the city get that 4 million dollars answer by raising property taxes!!

Robotjustin, obviously reading comprehension isn't one of your strong points. If you were able to comprehend the statement you would've understood that I never stated that i'd like to see your child struck/run over by a car.Your statements alone show your lack of class and are a reflection of the values that you hold.

I was responding to robotjustin's point about speeding and urinating in public. I was not implying that traffic enforcement is the reason that Jersey City shouldn't layoff Cops. The truth is there are other ways to cut costs. One way is to eliminate all the take home city cars that the City Council use to take their families on vacation to Monmouth County etc. Guess whose budget those cars come out of (Jersey City Police Budget) included gas maintenance and insurance. Imagine the savings.

Jsleazy does the math and states that the avg cop answers 5 calls per eight hours and asks what am I missing? For starters the evening tour and midnight tours are 2 man cars , detectives investigate crimes they don't answer calls, supervisors don't answer calls for service. Every time there is a report needed that unit is out of service, for example when there is a doa (dead on arrival) at home (natural causes) the police have to respond and are off at the scene on average for at least 2 hrs awaiting the medical examiner and notifying next of kin etc so you might have to redo your numbers. Robotjustin from your post you seem to imply that it is alright to pee in public and speed. When I take my 4 year old potty trained son out he even has enough self respect to say daddy i have to go potty and knows to go to a bathroom. You might feel a little bit different if someone was peeing in public as your Mother was walking by. When my son asks me why is that man peeing outside i simply explain that it's because he has no self respect and no class and wasn't raised to respect himself or others. As for speeding I guess when your child is going to school and someone doing 45mph in a 25 mph zone hits your child you might changed your warped views.

Brewster, at what point did I say cops are underpaid? I also never said they shouldn't be criticized. What I said was to paraphrase was that when someone gives an opinion on a public forum such as Jerseyofficer did, and another poster responds by stating "most police officer's aren't that bright" and then you agree by stating "true" it gives your argument / opinion no creditability. Now you can twist my words or put whatever spin on this as you want, but that doesn't mean your right. Incidentally you also stated that budget cuts are affecting the schools and teachers correct? if you compared the teacher's contract in Jersey City you'll see that their benefits are basically the same as police and firefighter's and there top salary is significantly higher then that of a police officer. Just the facts.......I forgot another fact that you eronneously stated in your previous post. The police don't bring in money to the City? Please explain where the fines from parking summons, moving violations, and City ordinance violations goes? just curious since you did state that the police aren't supposed to make money for the City.

Thanks Brewster for pointing things out to me... Maybe Jerseyofficer simply made a grammatical mistake( did I spell that correctly?) . It's obvious what your opinion is of Police and the public Sector, that doesn't mean it's right, to berate someone because of his/her opinion, "cops aren't to bright"only underscores one thing........Again nothging productive to add to the discussion so we resort to personal attacks and grammatical mistakes................I guess because it's your opinion that makes it right.. Must get awfully lonely on that mountain looking down on other people......

In Jerseyofficer's post he/she is merely expressing an opinion about people's perception of how the police and public sector are somehow responsible for the economic/budget problems we are currently facing. When I read it at no time did it come off as "bitching" ,but then again I don't pre judge.When you resort to statements like "cops just aren't that bright" it just shows that you really have nothing constructive to add to the discussion . When people resort to personal attacks and generalizations such as "cops aren't that bright" shows their level of intelligience.

Standard response for a working fire is 5 engines 2 ladder companies, rescue1 and a battalion chief. Now if the response seemed over the top since you stated your neighbor was burning sausage on the grill and it seemed excessive. Maybe the problem lies with the person that called the fire department for that . As you indicated it was just burning sausage on a grill.I would think that if you were going to question the response of the fd you might want to 1st look at the person who called that in. but then again ....... I guess you probably think the response to the fire on Belmont ave. was over the top too... EXplain that to the injured firefighters .... as well as to the families that were directly affected by the fire. Food for thought.....

JCLAW, I missed one point , now lets go with your theory about the union and the mayor, the last time i checked you are only allowed to cast one vote and lets presume that all 915 police officer's and supervisors reside in Jersey City ( most don't) voted (like sheep) for whoever the union endorsed, where do you suppose the majority of the votes came from?? Could it be you the tax payer?Just a thought.

JCLAW, now I'll respond to your absurdities 1) Your boss pays your salary and you are beholden to him and he pays you out of his own money, Well where do you think that money comes from? Each and every police officer is beholden to their boss ultimately the mayor who is the voice of the taxpayer and was elected by the taxpayer whether you agree or not.2) I am very familiar with the PILOT(Payment in Lieu Of Taxes) program while the pilot and abatement program were neccessary 20-25 years ago inorder to attract buisness to the area they are certainly not neccessary currently for the multi million dollar developer's who negotiate a sweetheart deal for far less then fair market value and in some cases like Canco Lofts who agree to one deal a couple of years ago only to come back to the negotiating table this year to recieve an even sweeter deal .Who benefitted from that deal ? Now for your absurd statement about the pension you stated that each officer pays approximately 60,000 over their career yet collects a million dollars from the pension.REALLY.....Your math skills are not what they should be.First off each officer contributes 8% percent of their salary to the pension and over thirty years that is a lot more then 60,000. Now when the officer retires he only collects until he dies then his pension reverts back to the pension. Now I am going to see if i can come up with that million dollar figure if a police officer making 100,00 per year (JCPD doesn't make that much) retires at age 50 after thirty years and lives to be 100 yrs old he would collect 70,000 for fifty years which comes out to be 350,000. well thats only 750,00 short of the million that YOU stated he would collect. Now I dont hear you complaining about the State Senators and assemblymen and superior court judges who contribute nothing to the pension yet collect 70 % percent of their salary after 10 years .,

JCLAW, I realize that the City's Money is not monoply money. I too am a taxpayer as well ,and I actually am tired of the same old saying " I pay your salary" REALLY? then I guess I pay into my salary as well since I am a city taxpayer(maybe I should get a rebate).If you work in the private sector do you pay into your salary as well? (just using your logic) The contract that was negotiated sved the City taxpayers(you) a considerable amount of money.If you really looked at the bigger picture the drain on the taxpayers is the dual job holding of the politicians, the tax abatements that were given to the Downtown buisnesses years ago that are now coming due at a far less then the actual appraised values.If you think that the raise we recieved is truly a drain on the city coffers then I can only suggest that you attend the next council meeting and voice your opinion. If you are successful the City Council will vote against the contract and more then likely the Police Department will go into arbitration ,thereby costing the city and you the taxpayer alot more money.I would say in lehgal fees alone your looking at at least a million dollars and the police will probably come out with the same amount of a raise, but more then likely the police would retain the traditional healthcare that they gave up, thereby not saving the city and the taxpayer (you) $650,000. If you think I am wrong , feel free to check out the arbitration rulings over the past year on the perc website.

Charon, you stated that your tired of hearing from police officer's and firefighters saying you should've filled out an application, and its time the police and fire department make sacrifices. Well the Police and Firefighters do make sacrifices. I bet on Christmas Morning your always there to see your children open their gifts. I bet you were able to tuck your children in to bed everynight and tell them goodnight, been to all of there school events,their little league games etc etc. I've been on both sides of the fence, I've worked in the private sector and yes I am currently a Police Officer, and I can tell you for a fact that I was making alot more money working in the private sector.Yes some of the benefits are better, but not all. Working in the private sector I was able to spend all the holidays with family and friends, I didn't have restrictions on vacation time that I currently have. I didn't have to work weekends and I also didn't have to work shift work. The bottom line is we all make sacrifices , some just make different ones. The bottom line is before you comment(criticize)a contract that was more then fair to the City you should actually walk in our shoes.

JCLAW, I didn't miss the point.Unlike the private sector, the unions that the officer's belong to are not like those in corporate America. For starters, the police cannot go on strike, they have no choice when the contract expires but to continue to work at the salaries of the old contract, and wait for the city to agree to negotiate a contract.While it is true that in corporate America there is downsizing .The truth of the matter is when the economy is doing bad crime tends to increase.That being said the truth of the matter is if you look at the size of the police department now and what it was 10 years ago you would see that there are less officer's on the street now, and if you were to take the number of officer's today and compare it to the table of organization you would see that the department is in fact below where it should be in terms of the number of officer's working. The bottom line is the police accepted a contract that does save the city and the taxpayers money. Had the police officer's taken the city to arbitration which is their right, the city would have had to bear all of the costs associated with the arbitration process and in the end the officer's quite possibly could've come out with a better contract. albeit it probably would've taken alot more time. While people are not happy with the contract that the officer's accepted it was more then fair to the city and the taxpayers. The Jersey City Police Department is by far the largest Police Force in Hudson County but they certainly aren't the highest paid.

The police department has been without a contract since the end of 2008. The contract was negotiated and settled a couple of weeks ago. The bottom line is people are not happy that the officer's finally have a contract. Some in the private sector obviously feel that it is unjust due to the current economy. At any given time those of you who are complaining about the police finally getting a contract , remember you could have put in an application and gone through the process and quite possibly become a police officer, but then you wouldn't have been able to work at a lucrative position in the private sector.Remember when the economy was doing well and people in the private sector didn't have to worry about job security and were quite happy making six figure salaries , while police officer's work for far less money then those in the private sector. Now that the private sector isn't doing as well as in the past and job security is an issue people now say it isn't fair.Well I beg to differ,everyone in life has choices, and the freedom to choose which choice to make. At the same time you live with the choices that you make. Tell me how many of you in the private sector five years ago would work without a raise for over a year ? If I was a betting man I would say none of you would. You choose your career, now live with those choices and stop complaining about others. How much do you think it's worth to leave your family each day not knowing whether you will return or not?

If you like you can call it a dumb analogy thats your opinion and your perogative. If youread my posts it was simply in response to people who stated what should've been done, such as few posters who stated the police should've tasered her ,which is illegal for either law enforcement or civillians , or to the posters who claimed that all reports said this and that . The bottom line is that people who weren't at the scene or weren't innvolved are criticizing what actions were or weren't taken and all the facts aren't in yet, but that doesn't stop people from declaring that the police were wrong.Not one poster on this board has taken the time or effort to put themselves in the officer's that were involved shoes but is really fast to criticize the actions without even knowing all the facts. But when someone calls them on it (myself) their a zealot, and pro police. Give me a break. You are no better then the rest of the Monday Morning Quaterbacks, and if you don't like the analogy too bad... How many times does the officer(s) have to be stabbed before they defend themselves? I bet if someone merely pulled out a knife you would defend yourself , but of course your not a police officer so that would be all right..

Hey Jersey City, just thought I'd mention this according to todays (July 23 2009) Jersey Journal 2 ESU Officer's along with 2 other jcpd Officer's entered the apartment and the 2 ESU OFFICER"S were stabbed. I guess that was just 1 of the reports that you were not aware of..................

Jersey City you might want to clarify your response with something that goes like this , since all of the reports that YOU are aware of state this... . Usually if esu responds their there during the event, although they also respond sometimes after usually to either resecure the premise or provide other assistance such as lighting e.t.c. I am sure all of the reports are not currently in since 2 officer's went to the hospital with injuries . Oh and because all the news reports say so... come on do you really think that they release every bit of information to the press??? They release sound bites or little bits and pieces.

Jersey City NJ , I don't know whether or not her husband attempted to get her the medical help she needed, just like all of the other posters that are posting here (yourself) included don't actually know what happened at that scene .Unless of course you were actually involved. I just proved my point about Monday morning Quaterbacking without knowing all of the facts. Again were did it say he did attempt to get her help previously? It didn't I was just surmising just like you.

Jclxz, I didn' state the law correctly, the emt's had information relayed to them by the husband ( a relative) that his wife the lady in the apartment had mental issues and hadn't taken her medication. The emts are then required to check the hysical and mental condition of the lady, since it was a relative who called. If the emt's determine that she does in fact have a mental issue where she is a threat to herself or others they are required by law to transport her to a hospital whether or not she wants to go.

While it is true that shield won't protect from shotgun blasts, the point I was making was that How does the post above my previous post know whether shields were or were not used. Also How do the Police know that the only weapon the lady had was a knife? Because her husband said that?

If I am not mistaken the news reported last night that ESU was on scene, and were did it say that shields were or weren't used? or were you in fact there and know that shields weren't used? Just asking since in your statement it seems like you know the facts surrounding the situation. How effective were the shields last Thursday on Reed Street. Just a Thought.

Another fact that i failed to mention when someone calls for an ambulance and states to 911 that their wife has mental issues and hasn't taken her medication, the emt's are required by law to check on that person's physical condition as well as their mental capabilities and determine whether or not hospitalization is required, so standing in the hallway while the woman is locked in her apartment with a knife is not a viable option