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tommyc_37 wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative but it's a stretch to compare a 10 minute, 3-stop commute from Astoria/LIC via one swipe of the Metrocard, 24/7, to a Light Rail to Path commute from Greenville.

ummm you do realize that many people take a bus to the train in many places in Brooklyn, The Bronx, Queens, Staten Island etc... not every part of New York City is walking distance from a train station in the outer boroughs.

tommyc_37 wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative but it's a stretch to compare a 10 minute, 3-stop commute from Astoria/LIC via one swipe of the Metrocard, 24/7, to a Light Rail to Path commute from Greenville.

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papadage wrote:
And yet, decades ago, people moved into DTJC, when it was much crappier than many parts of JC that are criticized now. It used to be dirty, crime ridden, with no amenities at all. I am not saying that the other parts of town will gentrify tomorrow, but they will.

Inexpensive rents and lower sale prices, for more square footage, will attract the next wave of gentrification over time.

You can get super cheap housing in Detroit. Excellent price per square foot!

-SNIP-

JcDevil wrote:
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user1111 wrote:
FYI when I lived dtjc and the lightrail first opened up in 2001 me and some my friends would ride it into other areas and we could not believe NO ONE would ever get on it.. it was the strangest thing it was a train for no one.

I take it daily now to work and play, and if you leave before 9 am its now standing room only. My stop Richard street never had any proffesional people getting on back in 2010 just a few students, now that's all you see in the A.M. and P.M rush hours. People are slow to catch on, but they are catching on. GV is a 5 min ride on rail to dtjc and 30 min to WTC.

It's just unfortunate that outside of the rush periods, it's a 25 minute wait before that 5 minute ride.

user1111 wrote:
FYI when I lived dtjc and the lightrail first opened up in 2001 me and some my friends would ride it into other areas and we could not believe NO ONE would ever get on it.. it was the strangest thing it was a train for no one.

I take it daily now to work and play, and if you leave before 9 am its now standing room only. My stop Richard street never had any proffesional people getting on back in 2010 just a few students, now that's all you see in the A.M. and P.M rush hours. People are slow to catch on, but they are catching on. GV is a 5 min ride on rail to dtjc and 30 min to WTC.

bodhipooh wrote:
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user1111 wrote:
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papadage wrote:
And yet, decades ago, people moved into DTJC, when it was much crappier than many parts of JC that are criticized now. It used to be dirty, crime ridden, with no amenities at all. I am not saying that the other parts of town will gentrify tomorrow, but they will.

Inexpensive rents and lower sale prices, for more square footage, will attract the next wave of gentrification over time.

This is already happening, I run into people on the lightrail or in Bayside Park, Arlington Park that use to be my neighbors dtjc who now moved uptown. I totally understand what Skatee is saying, we had the same problem in my area until we got organized. We have seen great results in the area due to forming a block association and hold the people we vote for accountable. The city pays more attention when you got 60 members on your block demanding services.. many peeps visit me and have said my area almost looks like a gated community because we wont tolerate the old guard... Hang in there man!

This was my point. The city's limited resources are stretched thin. That doesn't make it OK to ignore certain areas or neighborhoods, but it is a fact that they will listen and address more carefully those areas where people are clamoring the most, and you will get there by being organized. A single person (you) or a small group of people (you and your neighbors) is not going to get the same kind of attention as a well organized block association that shows up at the JCPD captain meetings, who collectively project a unified front in matters impacting the block or neighborhood, and who can grab the city's attention with your grievances. As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

papadage wrote:
And yet, decades ago, people moved into DTJC, when it was much crappier than many parts of JC that are criticized now. It used to be dirty, crime ridden, with no amenities at all. I am not saying that the other parts of town will gentrify tomorrow, but they will.

Inexpensive rents and lower sale prices, for more square footage, will attract the next wave of gentrification over time.

user1111 wrote:
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papadage wrote:
And yet, decades ago, people moved into DTJC, when it was much crappier than many parts of JC that are criticized now. It used to be dirty, crime ridden, with no amenities at all. I am not saying that the other parts of town will gentrify tomorrow, but they will.

Inexpensive rents and lower sale prices, for more square footage, will attract the next wave of gentrification over time.

This is already happening, I run into people on the lightrail or in Bayside Park, Arlington Park that use to be my neighbors dtjc who now moved uptown. I totally understand what Skatee is saying, we had the same problem in my area until we got organized. We have seen great results in the area due to forming a block association and hold the people we vote for accountable. The city pays more attention when you got 60 members on your block demanding services.. many peeps visit me and have said my area almost looks like a gated community because we wont tolerate the old guard... Hang in there man!

papadage wrote:
And yet, decades ago, people moved into DTJC, when it was much crappier than many parts of JC that are criticized now. It used to be dirty, crime ridden, with no amenities at all. I am not saying that the other parts of town will gentrify tomorrow, but they will.

Inexpensive rents and lower sale prices, for more square footage, will attract the next wave of gentrification over time.

papadage wrote:
And yet, decades ago, people moved into DTJC, when it was much crappier than many parts of JC that are criticized now. It used to be dirty, crime ridden, with no amenities at all. I am not saying that the other parts of town will gentrify tomorrow, but they will.

Inexpensive rents and lower sale prices, for more square footage, will attract the next wave of gentrification over time.

skatee123 wrote:
"I agree with you entirely about what it is you want: clean streets and safety, which should be something that everybody in Jersey City should be entitled to. I'm just saying that without 24/7 access to the region's employment and cultural core, your neighborhood will probably not attract a "critical mass" of residents that absolutely demand the streets be clean, and require interesting and plentiful amenities in the neighborhood."

First off, I know plenty of people that make complaints/requests about things in this neighborhood that get little to no response - eventually giving up out of frustration. I on the other had have been beyond vigilant and I am beginning to get results. The point being - I shouldn't have to F'NG BEG everyday for these things and not get them because there isn't a F'NG Path train around the corner! I know what downtown used to be like, I have been in and out of JC quite a bit because of musical interests for the past 17 years or so. I used to pick up a girl who played bass in a band I was in for practice who lived right by Van Vorst Park, and I'd shit my pants waiting for her to come out to the car at night

skatee123 wrote:
Why do I get the impression sometimes that people in certain parts of town don't want to really see any other part get better?

skatee123 wrote:
So someone like me, who is now a hair over a mile away from JSQ, who decided to stay in this city and pay taxes and plant roots should basically just accept the shitty things to stay that way because I don't make as much money as people in the more "desirable" parts of town and can't live where they are? I am asking basically for the city to keep the streets clean, doesn't seem like a lot to ask or unreasonable

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tommyc_37 wrote:
"Years ago", when there was something for everybody in all parts of Jersey City, was a way, way different time - a time when urban living was not generally sought after, at least outside of the Upper East Side types of uber wealthy neighborhoods.

Now, urban living is popular. Highly desirable. It's why Jersey City as a whole has seen a lift, mostly downtown. Access to NYC is the reason. Not just being in Jersey City, but having great access to Manhattan. That is the ticket.

If you look at other non-Downtown parts of Jersey City, some of which have boarded up storefronts, no commercial activity, and dilapidated houses, it's because people who revitalize neighborhoods generally do not want to live in neighborhoods that do not provide access to Manhattan.

Sadly, without the Path lines being extended to other neighborhoods, those neighborhoods will remain as they are. There will be no hyper growth, no huge developments.

Journal Square will explode. The Heights will remain stable with some growth. Everything else will remain as is or show marginal improvements.

In Jersey City, it will always be a tale of two cities, unless the Path is extended to other neighborhoods. Until then, the discrepancy between Downtown and other JC neighborhoods will only continue to grow, not shrink. It is an entirely different audience.

I disagree.

Look how far people commute from deep into Queens and Brooklyn, with multiple transfers. Any part of JC is a quicker commute than many of those areas. Downtown, then the Square, then the Heights will appreciate faster, in that order, but the rest of JC will do so in turn. Greenville has Light Rail and bus access to the PATH, and with CitiBike, it's not that bad either on nice days.

tommyc_37 wrote:
"Years ago", when there was something for everybody in all parts of Jersey City, was a way, way different time - a time when urban living was not generally sought after, at least outside of the Upper East Side types of uber wealthy neighborhoods.

Now, urban living is popular. Highly desirable. It's why Jersey City as a whole has seen a lift, mostly downtown. Access to NYC is the reason. Not just being in Jersey City, but having great access to Manhattan. That is the ticket.

If you look at other non-Downtown parts of Jersey City, some of which have boarded up storefronts, no commercial activity, and dilapidated houses, it's because people who revitalize neighborhoods generally do not want to live in neighborhoods that do not provide access to Manhattan.

Sadly, without the Path lines being extended to other neighborhoods, those neighborhoods will remain as they are. There will be no hyper growth, no huge developments.

Journal Square will explode. The Heights will remain stable with some growth. Everything else will remain as is or show marginal improvements.

In Jersey City, it will always be a tale of two cities, unless the Path is extended to other neighborhoods. Until then, the discrepancy between Downtown and other JC neighborhoods will only continue to grow, not shrink. It is an entirely different audience.

Lima17 wrote:
"Years ago, Jersey City was thriving and flourishing because the city had something for everybody, not just Downtown. "

How many years ago was this?