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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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thank you kind assistant. Could be interesting, looks to be their first foray to the East Coast

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Re: Whole Foods in JC?
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A little sleuthing reveals the Grand St Pathmark has been sold at auction to TAWA Inc. which operates as 99 Ranch market. No Whole Foods here.

Posted on: 2015/10/19 23:40
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Re: A & P Supermarkets File For Bankruptcy Protection
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A little sleuthing reveals the Grand St PathMark has been sold at auction to TAWA Inc. which operates as 99 Ranch Market.

Posted on: 2015/10/15 2:03
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come to Jersey City!
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There isn't even an Aldi in Jersey City yet... I think JC is much more likely to get that first before it's fancy sibling

Posted on: 2012/5/31 2:18
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Re: Unleashed Mastiffs Attack JC Man
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This person has already proven she has no regard for law. How anyone thinks there wont be another mauling in the next few weeks is beyond me. Be careful everyone.

Posted on: 2011/10/7 22:48
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Newport "suspicious package"
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Newport Centre Mall in Downtown Jersey City was evacuated at 11:45 this morning because of a suspicious package, a Jersey Journal editor who is at mall reports.
Hundreds of people at the mall are being led outside in an orderly fashion, Assistant Managing Editor Harvey Zucker said. Jersey City police are on the scene, leaving in orderly fashion.
It was not immediately known where the suspicious package was located, or why police deemed it suspicious.
Stay with Hudson Now for updates as news becomes available.

Posted on: 2011/1/28 17:15
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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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hamiltonparkjc wrote:
I love all these anecdotal opinions that people just KNOW and yet they can't figure out word wrap or the quote function.

M3 Maps has does a very good 2 part study of Trader Joes locations based in the Philly area.

Basic finds are:

Ingredient 1: Highway Accessibility in or near Urban Areas
Ingredient 2: Zip Code Populations > 6000 people
Ingredient 3: Population Density > 700 people / square mile
Ingredient 4: Median Income Zones between $30K and $150K
Ingredient 5: Top 40% of Income Quintiles

Regardless of the C-Town location, I'd say Downtown scores exceedingly well on all those criteria.

http://www.jordansilberman.com/m3maps/portfolio/trader_joes_1.htm



So it needs to be on Earth, essentially. "In or near". 6000 people in a zip is likely every zip in NJ. A income zone with a spread of 30 to 150K? So very little to 5 times very little? This isn't their criteria, it's someone's interpretation of their existing stores modeled into where they MIGHT go next (as I'm sure you know). I work in commercial RE, I can just say anecdotally they're not just fickle, they're VERY fickle, and economics (as mentioned before) is a huge component of the deal as well. That said, even if we did meet all those "Ingredients", if it we're a single digit rent deal, it still wouldn't happen.

Posted on: 2010/9/2 19:47
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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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No I understand what you are talking about, but TJ's has a fan base that WILL walk the distance. Did you see the insanity when it opened on 14th? People took path from JC to go there. I think you are underestimating TJ's fan base in JC. And don't call it a chain, it is a very successful PRIVATELY owned company it doesn't compare to ANY grocery chains. IF the store traffic is so dependent on whether there are parking spots or not, I am sure TJ's management can make a decision to buy that funeral home across the street and level it into a lot (although I want it to become a vampire night club, but I digest)


This is exactly why they're NEVER COMING HERE, because YOU WILL GO TO THEM. I can say it til I'm blue in the face, there are simply not enough of the appropriate demographic to sustain our own Trader Joes in Downtown Jersey City UNLESS you move it close enough to Hoboken to factor them in too, All this complaining about Shop Rite? A Trader Joe's will not take one DIME out of that store's volume... that demo is still +/-80% of who lives here, and the other 20% isn't shopping there anyway as everyone's said over and over. With Edgewater close for driving people and 14th St a Path ride away, the relatively tiny amount of people a JC store would serve IS being served.

Posted on: 2010/9/2 18:04
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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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Scottacus wrote:
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You know you bring up an excellent point I'd forgotten about... with A&P/Pathmark in a serious world of hurt right now (bankruptcy is eminent) it wouldn't surprise me to see TJ's THINK about where A&P is now as it would have the parking AND have much easier access to Hoboken AND whoever in Downtown JC wants it.


I could see that, although the A&P is much larger than a typical Trader Joes. I would even more likely see them giving up the small A&P in Hoboken, which has limited parking and seems smaller than a "real" supermarket should be. Also, if a developer offers a sufficiently good deal on a lease as a way to attract apartment tenants (or condo buyers) TJs might be persuaded to consider a JC or Hoboken location. TJs has done that in other cities in the Northeast.

In the end what matters most to TJs -- in all things -- is cost. They are notoriously cost-sensitive, and that extends to their site selection strategy. When they find a location that meets their needs and is adequately inexpensive, they may choose to put a store in the JC or Hoboken area.

Also, given their focus on keeping down distribution costs, the more stores they have in an area, the more likely they are to open others, as for them the cost of operating a store is lower when there are many other locations in the same area (as distribution center costs can be amortized over more locations and the same delivery trucks can serve multiple stores). That's why there are so many TJs in California and Massachusetts - many far closer together than downtown JC/Hoboken is from Edgewater.

And for those who talk about TJ's vs Whole Foods opening in JC -- the logic for site selection between Trader Joe's and Whole Foods is very different. Since Whole Foods doesn't have anywhere near as much a focus on efficient distribution, they are more likely to open a single store in a metro area before TJs. But TJs tends to be willing to have more stores closer together (as long as they get a good deal on rent). And TJs tends to look much more at specific behavioral patterns vs broad demographics when siting stores.



All VERY valid and true. And one important thing you bring up (COST) is what would keep them OUT of that A&P Center.. Simon isn't giving anything away, and TJ's is NOTORIOUSLY cheap (as is their parent company Aldi). (subdividing the A&P for a smaller tenant isn't a big deal the landlords do that all the time)


you DID know Aldi owns TJ's didn't you all?

Posted on: 2010/9/1 20:31
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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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You don't think Downtown JC has a limited amount of potential TJ's customers? Run a demo study. It's not going to happen .


I wouldn't go so far as to say never, but it would at least need to be able to accommodate customers driving from Bayonne and Hoboken, etc. Clearly part of the TJ's business plan is to draw people from a wider radius that a typical market. The problem is that most of the existing Downtown shopping centers already have a supermarket (shoprite, Pathmark, A&P) and the managers wouldn't want to lease to TJ's and hurt their current tenant. It would take a new development to create a space with parking for them.

But frankly looking at the list above, and adding the newly expanded Target grocery section and the Morton-Williams, we're already pretty overserved with markets, though sadly they're pretty uniform without the unique qualities of TJ's or Whole Foods.



You know you bring up an excellent point I'd forgotten about... with A&P/Pathmark in a serious world of hurt right now (bankruptcy is eminent) it wouldn't surprise me to see TJ's THINK about where A&P is now as it would have the parking AND have much easier access to Hoboken AND whoever in Downtown JC wants it.

Posted on: 2010/9/1 20:06
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Re: C-Town Being Sold
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ianmac47 wrote:
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This is not an upgrade. Really not sure how Trader Joe's didn't actively seek out that spot. It seems to fit the demographics.


If a Trade Joe's comes to Jersey City its not going to be in a 40 to 50 year old building in the middle of a residential neighborhood. Its going to be in the base of a new tower or mid-rise building. Its probably going to be in a building a parking garage or nearby parking structure. They probably are not going to buy a building, but rather lease it. Its not going to be as small as C-Town. The real question is why anyone would think Trader Joes would bother looking at that store.



yes, all of that. And why anyone would think TJ's would consider here AT ALL.

If anywhere in Hudson is getting it first, it's Hoboken, where there is a PROVEN core demographic for their stores. They still don't have their typical market (semi-wealthy suburbia) covered at all (Monmouth County is only getting their first late this fall). And I'm telling you TJ's feels it has the VERY limited amount of potential customers they have in JC covered with 14th St and Edgewater. You don't think Downtown JC has a limited amount of potential TJ's customers? Run a demo study. It's not going to happen .

Posted on: 2010/9/1 19:09
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Re: Can anyone shed some insight on the Newport Mall lockout of Hamilton Park?
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As both the mall and the neighborhood around it morph to change with the current demographics living there, I think you will eventually see a shift in the way the acreage is used here. Newport remains a very suburban-style center dropped into the middle of an urban grid... it's never really fit in well, obviously. Eventually I think you might see an outdoor component along Marin that embraces the Hamilton Park area and integrates the community better, they'll just tear down the deck, put in front-facing retail, and build the deck higher on top of new retail.

Posted on: 2010/7/6 20:26
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Re: Jersey City Trivia
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Easy: Martha Stewart, born at Margaret Hague Hospital (The Beacon!)




Here's another: Acclaimed Broadway star of Addams Family is also a JC Native... who?

Posted on: 2010/6/18 11:01
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Re: Wheel of Fortune Answer: J City
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Posted on: 2010/4/17 18:36
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Re: PRESERVATION OF POWERHOUSE TO BEGIN
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well if it looks different, it MUST be bad, right? It's colorful, so it's a "taxpayer waste". Now I understand.

Seriously, until they actually DO something with it, is it so bad they keep the place shored up with something that isn't just plywood? (even if it's painted plywood!?)

Posted on: 2010/3/23 13:54
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Re: Attention JC hipsters/artists buy your dream house....an old JC fire house.
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wow-- 218 Central is the one to snag.. what an amazing space that could be !

Posted on: 2010/3/12 17:37
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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just a realist. Read back, I think it's a good idea to keep letting them know they have a market here. I just think the odds are very stacked against it for a half dozen different reasons I've already explained.

Posted on: 2010/2/25 2:07
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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clunkified wrote:
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Put simply:
1. Trader Joes will not build a store here because they have poor corporate algorithms for determining locations.


Which is why you attempt to supplement any poor data they may have with data that actually might be useful to them i.e. by requesting their store in your neighborhood. Do you think they'd have that form if they solely relied on demographic and real estate analysis data for the area? TJ's is a big small company but I doubt their practices are as rigid as a WalMart, BestBuy, McD's, even Budweiser when it comes to sourcing retail locations.


It's nice that they let consumers request locations, but seriously 50 requests from a local blog isn't going to make even the "feel good" grocer division of a much bigger company throw ALL their store modeling away to make it easier for people who are already going out of their way to shop them.

Posted on: 2010/2/25 1:32
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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just for the record, I don't disagree with any of this... but try and convince corporate real estate planners in California (with German ownership, a sister store to Aldi in a sense) that they need to open here, and they'll point to an area that lacks in the essential demographics that have led to successful past locations. It's that simple.. there's people who will shop it, but there aren't ENOUGH.

Posted on: 2010/2/23 19:54
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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Brume: I think you're doing all you can by emailing corporate. Keep it up and see what happens!

This whole thing would have been a lot more plausible even 5 years ago before the downturn.. lots more retailers took chances on ideas outside their model. This day and age, everything needs to be a "homerun".

Posted on: 2010/2/23 18:55
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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I applaud your tenacity, but I really don't see this happening anytime soon.

1) Last I looked, Grove Pointe is essentially filled with Duane Reade (soon to be Walgreens). Even if they did smaller than their standard size, where are you talking about putting it?


2) The commuter argument makes no sense.... no one living in a suburban environment that parks in JC to go to NYC is going to grocery shop here before getting HOME to an easier-to-park, less frenetic TJ's than anything in JC.


3) TJ's likely feels they are already serving what amounts to be a VERY small group of potential JC customers with TWO locations.... Edgewater if you have a car, 14th St. if you don't. And I only say a small group of potential customers because running demo's on 07302 shows VERY poor incomes, despite new condo's all over the place. For all the higher income families in downtown now, it's a demographic drop in the bucket against ALL of 07302, which is all they have to measure it on. That store in Edgewater is there is because they have crazy density with a MUCH more well-off shopper.

ALSO: for all our density and relatively poor incomes, we're arguably saturated with supermarkets... yes, yes, we all hate them for one reason or another but with PathMark, ShopRite AND A&P all here and thriving, TJ's doesn't stand a chance of performing where they need it to to justify the rents.


4) The new market at 77 Hudson is going to be an independent for exactly this reason: No national chain (Whole Foods, TJ's, Fresh Market, etc.) wants Downtown Jersey City, even in a brand new luxury building.

Posted on: 2010/2/23 16:55
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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TJs runs about 10,000 ft.

Posted on: 2010/2/22 18:22
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Re: The Pier?
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I really hope you checked out this website before you made your decision

http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/ ... City-Pier-Apartments.html


Eh. I wouldn't put too much stock in that website. It tends to be a giant bitchfest of people who have a bone to pick with their apartment management.



agreed. Every thing is always THE WORST POSSIBLE SITUATION on EARTH with that site.

Posted on: 2010/2/22 17:46
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Re: Tell Trader Joe's to come near the Grove Station!
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I go to the Edgewater one all the time.



This is exactly why it won't happen. Simply not enough "appropriate" customers in a relatively small area to justify an "infill" store when you WILL travel to Edgewater (or 14th St for that matter) for them. Same reason why Hoboken will never get one.. Edgewater IS being shopped by Hoboken/JC. Companies like this also depend on a lot of demographic studies, and when you boil down the JC zips, they always come up with terrible income numbers... despite the pockets of better incomes downtown. It's hard to justify a store when the sales projections modeled on this zip info comes up so poorly.

Posted on: 2010/2/22 17:31
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Re: flood insurance for high rise condo in downtown jc?
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also know that the FEMA maps were just redrawn yet again and some former floodzones were rezoned OUT of the critical areas, changing the need for coverage. This happened at my shore condo, we only had the ins in place a few months when we found out it was no longer required from a neighbor who found out from HER mortgage company that is was now optional. (Never heard one word from our company of course, we had to call to tell THEM)

Posted on: 2010/2/2 16:43
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Re: Eatery Signs Lease at soon to be Gull’s Cove
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I hear you on that.... research the Atomic Wings thread Tommy... or any other business/restaurant that's tried to get open here in the past few years. The real question is how Muscle Maker and Five Guys happened so relatively quickly. (Hunch... maybe since they took over existing restaurants vs "building from scratch" in spaces that weren't restaurants or were raw, they ran into code and building dept issues?) Skinners was like this too... took FOREVER.

Posted on: 2010/1/4 15:40
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Re: Eatery Signs Lease at soon to be Gull’s Cove
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the two open ones are in Monmouth County are near my current home... one is in a converted Sizzler, and their local billboards advertise 2 for 1 nights and other gimmicks. It's really just a hibachi place, nothing to lose your mind over... standard fare.

It's kind of like when Wild Fusion opened and you thought we were getting a new, different, interesting concept.. and it turned out to be a Chinese restaurant, nothing more.

Posted on: 2010/1/4 15:25
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Re: The Beacon
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that's an advertorial... make no mistake, it's a glossy gorgeous 3 page ad (not that it's trying to hide that). I have to say, despite Montgomery Ave not exactly being Park Ave, the CONCEPT of what they're creating with Mercury is quite novel and might actually have a shot.. a work/live situation with this kind of space is almost always going to be in a crummy/industrial/not desirable area and not have anywhere near the views/amenties and likely cost about the same....

Posted on: 2009/12/12 14:17
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Re: flood insurance for high rise condo in downtown jc?
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this just happened to me too, though not in JC. Sometimes the coverage your building provides isn't as much as the mortgage company/bank wants, and you need to suck up the rest. Ran us $1000... this is at the Jersey Shore, on the 12th floor mind you.

oops- sorry I should note this was BEFORE closing, almost exactly as described by poster below.....

Posted on: 2009/12/4 13:16
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Re: Savas - Polish Cafeteria Opens on Grove Street
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it is delicious but I still don't like them for painting over the Stanley's Clothes sign. Aaargh.

Posted on: 2009/8/28 19:28
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