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The movie theaters at Edgewater on River Rd. have stadium seating and they?re generally clean with good projection and sound.
When we go there we usually combine it with a grocery run to the (dare I say it?  ) Whole Foods that?s another 7-minute drive North of the movie theater.
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Now for the important question...
Anyone know if it's going to be BYO or will there be a bar??
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meowmix & di6 ? Thanks for the input!!...
 Both of you had mentioned the problem of coming up with enough browns. As I was reading the literature, I was thinking? there are a number of trees in Hamilton Park that have dead leaves under them almost all year. If I end up composting, I thought I?d go over with a rake and a couple lawn-n-leaf bags and fill up. Wouldn?t it be win-win for both the HP community (cleaner HP) and composters (brown organic material)? Would there be a possible objection from the HP community that I?m missing?...
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I was inspired as well, and stopped by the Union Sq. Market composting stand this past weekend.
The idea of it is REALLY appealing. NYC has all this programs that provide a ton of info and include discounts on some of the composting bins. Doing a quick internet search, I see that Bergen County has program for buying discounted compost bins, but I couldn?t see anything similar for Hudson County. Is there such a program in Hudson county?... Have any of you JC gardeners actually tried it here in downtown? If so, any problem with rodents?... Any other tips?...
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Something tells me that this thread is about to be consolidated to one of the others, but let me add another recommended dish while I?m thinking of it?
With this weird ?fall-like? weather in August, I?m battling a summer cold. Last night, mrs4bailey kindly got take-out of my favorite, unofficial neighborhood cold remedy ? the #1 Pho soup/Big Bowl. I?m no expert in Vietnamese food and I certainly have no idea of the various meat (by)products that are in it ? but I swear this stuff absolutely GREAT if you?re struggling with cold symptoms. The effect could be totally psychological, but who cares when it?s this tasty. I usually mix a little of the hot sauce they provide with the broth ? really clears you up!
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I don?t know much about the building, but the other consideration is the sewers at the corner of Montgomery & Jersey. During a ?sewer charge? the NW and NE corners can leave a sizable puddle (4? to 6? across).
I think the building is on the SW corner. I don?t know if it?s as susceptible as the NW corner, but I?d definitely ask/research especially if the unit has any space below grade (garden-level or basement).
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If want to duel jibes based on current events?... Get your ?sides? right. Let?s see? An election determined by soft security concerns of the ?mommie vote?? Hmm? doesn?t that sound eerily familiar?? Effective strategy ? worked like gangbusters for the G.O.P in ?04 Presidental race - worked here. Although this is just at the ?neighborhood? scale, I wouldn?t be surprised if the outcome of this vote is ultimately regretted too. Giving credit where due, I?d give HPNA a B+ for organizing the festival/vote day. My only minor complaint is that having the polling desk so close to the music made it difficult to hear. However, when it comes to the ballot, the HPNA gets an F. Whether it was intentional or not, the end result of this flawed ballot is: further division in community relations, ?scare tactics?, splitting the vote (9-vote difference), and a forced referendum on the dog-run without equally considering other features. I know it would be very easy to dismiss this post as ?sour-grapes?, but let me ask you this. Hypothetically, suppose there were no dog-runs in any of the concepts, but the only feature that was any different was the basket court. Concepts A, B, and C all had full-court basketball. Concept D had half-court basketball. Do you really think you?d be playing anything other than half-court basketball??...
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I agree with you 100% when it comes to parents. From the get-go, I?ve always known that in the ?tweaking phase? any and all legitimate will be addressed (and probably some others of dubious legitimacy). That?s OK and as it should be. No neighborhood association or politician in their right mind would do otherwise. When it comes to facilities for dog-owners, Downtown JC has a history of putting us last in line. Remember, Downtown JC is where the bullpens (WTF?!... bullpens?!) in Enos Jones park were in-place years before the dog-run in VVP opened its gate. Look, it?s a simple, political ?fact-of-life?: Hypothetically, if you get a rally of 40 irate dog-owners with their dogs on leashes on the steps of City Hall, you get a nod and shrug from politicians and 6 lines buried on page 23 of the Jersey Journal. Now, say there are 40 irate mothers with their children in strollers on the steps shaking their fists at City Hall. Pols are quaking in their boots and TV camera crews are lined up. It?s just the way it is. Parents? bottom-line,? YOU'RE GOING TO GET WHAT YOU WANT regardless of which concept wins. It would be political suicide for any politician or neighborhood association to do anything else. Despite that, if you want still want to base your vote totally on self-interest, Concept D is for you. For those few who think that fairness and equity to other community interests count for something, Vote Concept B.
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Ahhh!... the eleventh hour...
I think I?ve been pretty tolerant with JC Family Initiative. I?ve let them attempt to pick apart any statement I or anyone else advocating a dog-friendly compromise have made without scrutinizing their party line. Well, with all due respect,? it?s time for a little quid pro quo? JC Family Initiative is circling the wagons and telling parents: Quote:
I understand the argument, but please look at the plan for Concept D and you?ll see this statement isn?t exactly true. This is not a ?single point of access?. The spray area is in a totally different segment from the playground!! How do parents in the far NW corner near the Concept D 2-5 year old swing area get to the spray pool quick? Plus, you?ve got the 5-12 year old play structure interfering with your sight-lines. Back in post #369, I asked Althea-JC-Family-Initiative: Quote:
This time look a Concept B. With the safety concerns noted, you make a minor tweak moving the spray pool between the 5-12 year old play structure and the tennis court. The East Spoke and the Center section become an ?observation deck? for seeing what?s going on. If the 5-12 year old play structure impedes sight-lines, swap its position with the 5-12 year old swing structure. Isn?t that a valid compromise??... Quote:
I?m going to disagree with lunawolf3, and agree with JCLeon. It is a great ?opportunity?. However, support of Concept D squanders that opportunity, and make relations between parents and dog-owners more strained. To put it simply, Concept D is the 29% Solution. Look, I?m not saying the argument for child safety isn?t valid, just that it?s soft (can?t be qualifiedly or quantified easily). Is that reason enough to tell dog-owners that they?re only worth 29% of area we all voted on?!?... I?ve suggested other alternatives like cutting/changing asphalt court areas or lowering the 50%-50% active: passive ratio in the park, in order to give both parents and dog-owners a full segment. Seems like all I?m getting is lip-service or radio-silence from JC-Family-Initiative with those suggestions. Quote:
I agree that you?re fighting for the plan the best fits your own personal needs. I disagree; I happen to really believe that Concept B best fits the community?s needs: court enthusiast, parents/children, gardeners, dog-owners - there?s something for everyone based on compromise and fairness.
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Hey BrightMoment -
You've been my sort of unoffical litmus test for this issue.  I'm paraphrasing you here, but I think you once mentioned something along the lines that you were for the Concept that had the best "big table" appeal to the community. Have you made up your mind?... Is it Concept B or Concept D?...
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As lunawolf3 said, the jury is still out with regard to balls/Frisbees, so I think your premise is false. I thought my point was pretty simple: for voluntary compliance, you?re going to have give those owners who let their dog off-leash today a real incentive to use a run. With the dog-run proposed in Concept B, there?s still a lot of variables left open - final size, position, shape, ratio, surface, etc.. I hope these can be addressed to allow dog-owners to play safely with their dogs. With Concept D only giving 29% of the area voted on in the survey in the large dog-run, I think the Concept D dog-run would have to be the most prohibitive from day-one on the dog-toy issue. Vote Concept B!! ...and please,? write-in somewhere on your ballot: ?Extend the dog-run?!! ...and "Saluti", skwirrlking!!
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With the vote just a few days away, let me add some additional points why Concept D presents the worst implementation when it comes to the dog-run question.
About 1 and ? weeks ago, I was walking my two in VVP and ran into a couple with their dog off-leash in the SSE segment. Yep, VVP has a dog-run, yet this couple felt the need to flaunt the law! Now,? you can get all indignant and outraged that their dog is off-leash on a lawn and not in the dog-run, but, stop and ask? Why?? These felons were playing Frisbee doggie-in-the-middle! I?m not condoning what they did, but the bottom line is that this couple couldn?t play with their dog in the VVP run; the run is too small and too crowded/dense with dogs and owners to permit activities like this. I?m not blaming anyone involved in the VVP run, it?s just a necessary limitation given the size of VVP. But, for all intensive purposes, the run at VVP is a ?dog-romp? not a dog-run. With the size difference between HP and VVP, dog-owners interact differently with their dogs. It?s not uncommon to see chuck-it sticks (?arm catapults? that permit you to throw a ball further), specialty ?light-up? balls, soft-fabric dog ?Frisbees?, etc. It?s safe to say that HP is a far more ?dog active? park than VVP. Don?t ?shoot the messenger? here, but the bottom line is that if you want a healthy degree of voluntary compliance with the leash laws you?re going to have to give dog-owners some real incentive. It ain?t in Concept D. As I?ve mentioned, the Concept D dog-run, especially for any dog over 23 lbs, is the wrong size, ratio, and shape. Some of you were wondering how shape factors in, let me try to clarify? The shape of large dog-run in Concept D is closer to a square/circle than to a long shape, like a rectangle, long triangle or oval. I?ve observed that dog-run shapes closer to a tight square/circle tend to promote canine ?interaction? and associated good/bad behaviors (i.e. ? barking, squabbles, etc.) instead of exercise. On the other hand, a good-size run with some length in the shape promotes exercise by both owners and dogs providing more ?pockets? where owners who choose to can actually play with their dogs. The minor tweak of extending the dog-run in Concepts A-C to use an entire segment forms a nice, long triangle with ?neutral corners? ? much preferably to the ?blobby? shape in Concept D. You?re going to need this design to give most of those active dog-owners a reason to use the run and comply with the leash law. The other point I?m trying to make is that the shape of a dog-run can influence the overall sound level and the potential for squabbles. Many of you have expressed misgivings about noise from a dog-run. I?m the first to admit that I don?t have a PhD in animal behavior, but even I know that a tired dog is a quiet dog. It?s really not my personal preference (I?m a long-time gardener), but there seems to be some growing momentum to vote for Concept B to defeat a flawed and unfair dog-run plan at the root of Concept D. I?ll be voting Concept B.
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Let me be a little more harsh than BM? SF ? I think that?s kind of a really low swipe. The subtext of what you?re saying is that she?s some kind of ?nutter? and should be dismissed as such. Why?... because as a parent and dog-owner she doesn?t like Concept D???.. I?ve never met her, but she sounds like she?s a veteran of both urban playgrounds and dog-runs. Isn?t this the kind of voice we want on this thread?... But, wait!.... As a parent, she dared to support a concept other than Concept D!!... ?Oh NO! She?s a TRAITOR to the biological imperative and must be CRUSHED! Quick,? send out the order to revoke her membership card to ?CLUB BREEDER??!  I mean, c?mon!?All kidding aside? PARENTS! (with or without dogs) ? don?t be shamed by any other poster that you?re a bad parent or person just because something bothers you about Concept D. Some of you will agree with ?Althea-JC-Family-Initiative? that Concept D offers maximum security to children, some of you won?t. As much as I?ve been a critic of Schoor Depalma on the lack of substance on the dog-run, there?s been plenty of detail on the children?s areas in their plans. I?m no expert and don?t pretend to be, but I ask parents (or anyone else) still ?on the fence?: wouldn?t Schoor Depalma be out of business pretty quick if 3 out of 4 playground designs they propose had serious safety design flaws for children?... Please,... weigh all the considerations then make up your own minds on this.
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?Evil??... nah. I think your view is clouded because you?re still so incredulous that anyone could ask that the HP dog-run should be bigger that the VVP run, conforming to the intent in the survey. Or,.. as another poster smugly suggested to me in post #246: Quote:
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IMO, I?m less concerned about the exact 1/8 segment than that we?re talking an entire 1/8 segment ? no game tables, no sharing with gardens, minimum buffer. After that, let the dog-owners in the community decide the large dog: small dog ratio; not brewster, parkman, Fulop, or (sorry) Althea ? dog-owners! Supposedly, dogjc has been asked by HPNA for assistance in planning specifics. Their consensus on a fair ratio would be fine by me. Quote:
The two greatest misconceptions about dog-runs are: 1.) that a run is intended to be a ?dog toilet? and that 2.) a dog-run is for dogs. Let?s ?table/postpone/defer? (whatever) #1 for now. A dog-run is not for dogs ? a dog-run is for dog-owners! If anyone wants to put up a sign on the run saying ?NO DOGS ALLOWED WITHOUT OWNERS?, I will support that 100%. You might have a difficult time reaching the population of stray dogs that are literate, but, hey,? I?m with you. If I choose to ?blow off steam? and recreate in the park by throwing a tennis ball or Frisbee with my dogs, is that recreational activity any more/less valuable then someone else swinging a $200 tennis racquet a couple times a year?... I?d argue that a dog-run is a very efficient use of park space. Say you had imaginary fire marshals at the gate or each park amenity area, clicking off on a counter how many people enter. The marshals are clicking away at the counters 365 days a year (rain, sun, snow) at each and every basketball court, tennis court(s), playground, etc. counting just people, no dogs. I?d bet that the dog-run would have the highest use from people compared to any other amenity space; even if you adjusted by people per square yard, the dog-run would still be on top. Isn?t that why the community thought it important enough to vote for a ?2-tennnis-court? size dog run?... You?ve heard posters argue for the entire ?2-tennis-courts? and others, like brewster, who can?t see the need for anything bigger than the VVP run (something less that ? of one tennis court). For me, an entire 1/8 segment simply sounds like the best compromise.
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brewster ? great use of "slightly" and "MUCH". Not as creative as ?aggressive dog barking at the fence?, but fine fiction nonetheless. Editorial opinion stated as fact with the bonus of putting dog-owners in the worse possible light - I?ll say this for you,? at least you?re consistent. I won?t pretend to debate the validity of the safety concerns Althea brings up, even though it looks like tern (another parent) isn?t as perturbed by them. Every effort should be made. My questions are: 1.) Can the safety concerns of parents only be addressed by putting all child amenities (except the Child?s garden) in one segment?... 2.) Can the same concern be addressed by splitting child amenity areas across two adjacent segments, but having the child areas in both segments as close to the center of the park as possible? I?d guess that a parent could sit on one bench of the between spoke and keep an eye on both sections fairly easy. Tell me if I?m wrong on this assumption; I won?t debate it. 3.) Why jump to alter the dog-run first without considering something else?
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Are you willing to penalize dog owners with 29% of the space voted on without considering other options?... By other options to consider, I mean: - changing the 50%-50% active/passive split - why not a half-court basketball court without bleachers? Why not put basketball backboards in a tennis court so one asphalt court could be used for either activity? - Blurring the hub-spoke by coloring ?outside the lines?. Why is everyone convinced that a safe layout of children?s areas and a dog-run comprising a full segment are mutually exclusive of each other?... I get it that you feel Concept D gives you the safest layout out of the 4 presented. Is there no other layout you can envision (whether on the Concepts or off) that gives you that besides D?..
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Something?s gotta give. There has to be compromise somewhere between: - 50%-50% split between active and passive park areas - Full-court basketball court and 1 (or more) other full-court surfaces - Preserving the hub-spoke architecture - A dog-run that?s actually usable and an incentive for legal off-leash activity. - A safe layout for children?s amenities. In balancing those 5 items, Concept D severely penalizes dog owners: 29% of the size voted on just doesn't cut it. Are you willing to do that yet keep everything else ?off the table???
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This got me wondering where the dogjc folk are, so I took a look. Yahoo Groups doesn?t make it easy. You have to wade through multiple threads to get at the relevant info. My take on their position is that one poster (the one relaying the story of the unfortunate small dog in Arizona) endorsed ?D? because it?s the only Concept that explicitly says ?Small Dog Run? and ?Large Dog Run?. After that, there were multiple assurances that Concepts A, B, and C will all have small dog areas and consensus that Concept D is flawed. To date, there have been no subsequent posts from that single poster after his original endorsement of Concept D. Realizing the potential for the ballot to split-the-vote, the purpose of the dogjc poll appears to be for the members to come to some consensus on the remaining 3 concepts in order to defeat Concept D (hence, Concept D?s omission from their poll). That way they can urge the dogjc members to vote in a bloc with the goal of defeating Concept D. This is an interesting post from a dogjc member about the genesis of Concept D: Quote:
This doesn?t mean anything, but I?m curious... brewster ? are you the parent who originally suggested this at the meeting?... Here on jclist, you seem to be the only poster I see making a full-court-press for Concept D. If not, does anyone know the parent that that suggested this to the planners?...
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I tried the WYSIWYG editors yesterday and what scared me off was what the result looked like in preview (excessive space between lines). Just to confirm,... Is "Preview" just inaccurate with the WYSIWYG editors or will hitting "Preview" do some harm to what you've just typed?
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Nothing on the overnight ? quick status check?
I?m going to pick on BrightMoment only because of his ?++1? during the performance art digression a few posts back and he seems like a representative neutral voter. Quote:
Per brewster, we?re now only looking at Concept D in it?s unaltered form. The Pros/Cons List is growing, especially on the ?Cons? side. The one that?s most egregious to me and can?t be argued, bears repeating: For any dog over 23 pounds, Concept D gives owners only 29% of the dog-run voted on by the community. So,... BrightMoment: - are you still solidly backing Concept D?... - do we at least have you ?on the fence??.... - if you?re ?on the fence?, do you need to see more on the Pro/Cons list?... - whatever your current position, do you see why Concept D might be so loathed by dog-owners?... My only reason for asking is just to ?take the pulse? on community sentiment.
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Into, one bullet: - better convenience for guardians to monitor children in child amenities areas.. As you say,... your bullet, your target...
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Ok?, on a trial basis, here?s my version of the list using brewster's numbers with no tweaks for any of the concepts:
Pros: 1 ? Parkman believes that a fence divider is one factor that may encourage barking on occasions when dogs are present in both large dog and small dog areas. 2 - reopens the northeast spoke path, restoring the historic walkways. 3 - Retains 2 tennis courts, making one multiuse. 4 - creates bigger more consolidated playground, which makes it easier for parents (and preschool teachers) to watch kids of multiple ages. 5 - Playground area has larger trees well placed for shade in playground, a perennial complaint about the existing one. 6 -water play area is better placed for monitoring multiple kids there as well as in the playground. 7 - because of actually moving the playground there\'s a possibility of the new one being built before demo-ing the old one, thus not being without for many months. 8 - Brings the playground further away from the basketball court and it\'s loud, often foul voices. Cons: 1 ? Both dog runs combined comprise 49% of the HPNA survey target total vs. 51% in Concepts A, B, C. 2 - No putting green 3 - No community garden replacing ball court. 4 - Dogs must be walked past other active features to get to run, possibly leading to negative interactions. 5 - Introduces an unworkable 60:40 ratio between large and small dog runs. **** - enacts a ?Medium/Large Dog Penalty? for dog-owners on legal, off-leash park space ********o Small Dog (owner can elect to use either run) ? 7,324 sq. feet is available ? 49% of HPNA survey target total ********o All dogs over 23 lbs. - 4,391 sq. feet is available ? 29% of HPNA survey target total! ****- Ratio dictated by Schorr Depalma ? no input from community dog owners. ****- 60:40 Ratio set in stone (concrete form): In the future, the community could need *****to change the Large:small ratio. To do this in Concepts A, B, and C, you?d just need to reposition the divider fence. 6 - Traffic on 9th street is higher than that on McWilliams Place. For example, ice cream trucks will become a more regular feature on 9th. 7 - Even with the larger trees, the north side of the park is more exposed to direct sunlight than most other areas. It's also closer to the Holland tunnel traffic.
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I hope this is a simple question...
Say you've typed a line and you want to follow it with another line that's indented (leading tab or whitespaces). How do you do this?... TIA!
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Allright,? if you?re really sincere about keeping the signal/noise ratio down, l?ll play the PowerPoint game on a trial basis and we?ll see where this takes us. Just to make sure we?re clear on the ground rules ? in looking at the pros/cons of Concept D, we?re talking Concept D without any tweaks and any comparison to Concepts A/B/C is before any tweakes,? right?... Second, we?re relying on your numbers, derived from your AutoCAD. As a ?gentleman?s agreement?, are you vouching that the numbers you?re providing are consistent and haven?t been shaved/fattened to make you case more appealing?... If you?re willing to vouch for that, I?ll give it a go. However, I?ll need the sq footage of both the small and large-dog runs in Concept D (pre-tweak); I?m not sure if I?m seeing the right numbers in post #233 or not. Also, just to confirm, before the tweak I suggested, is 7,733 the sq. footage of the run in A/B/C?...
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So, you want me to play your game, where you get to make the rules and you?re the editor-in-chief? It?s been 2-days and I still can?t agree with you about the wording of Pro #1. You so generously write: ?1 - The dog runs are physically separated, which Parkman say reduces barking through the fence of a divided run.? From reading Parkman?s posts, I got the impression that he sees the divider fence as one factor that might reduce barking among a host of other factors when both large and small runs are occupied at the same time. Look, you already have a ballot that has a big chance of distorting the will of those who vote via a split vote. How much real value is there in the exercise of reducing complex arguments to PowerPoint bullets that look simple but warp the realities?...
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If it?s a ?fantasy?, why do you care so much what I think?... All I saw was a flurry of posts/PMs regarding yet another tweak to Concept D. I?d like to reserve judgment until I see the specifics regarding size, shape, and ratio. However, nugnfutz makes a good point: Quote:
At least Concepts A to C have the dog-run bordering one of the passive lawns on a long side. Doesn?t all this hand-wringing trying to make Concept D work point to the fact that is fundamentally flawed?... I think I was one of the 1st to mention on this thread that concept D was the only one that preserves the hub-n-spoke design of the park, I?d like to see the integrity preserved myself. But, in an effort for this, you?re willing to make all sorts of gyrations to the dog run to the detriment of dog-owners, but keep everything else off the table. In my previous post, I feel that the tweak I?ve been proposing, 10,122 sq. ft., is a fair compromise to the community given that 14,848 (the square footage of 2 tennis-courts) was the ideal size of dog-run area identified in the HPNA survey. In that spirit, where?s the compromise from the other groups?... Parents ? brewster is the AutoCAD/numbers expert, and I?m sure he can?t wait to correct me, but hear me out. It looks like in all four concepts there?s no change in the total footprint or number of children?s amenities. Now, before all the hoodmama?s out there get all riled up, I?m not suggesting that there?s should be any decrease in the footprint or number of children?s amenitites ? yet. The big alleged ?pro? of Concept D is that there?s ?better monitoring? of children in the spray pool. I?d say to parents, if you?re unwilling to compromise on the supposed ?better monitoring? - I?m sorry, ditch the spray pool. A 5-minute walk away, you already have a spray pool at Enos Jones. Court enthusiasts ? in all four concepts, there?s a full size basketball court with bleachers (bleachers!... WTF?!... ). I?m not seeing anyone of the AutoCAD experts out there look at making the basketball court a half-court and the potential active-space savings. I?d be the first to say that this isn?t perfect, but again, you have a full-size basket ball court a 5 minute walk west on Pavonia at Enos Jones. Another idea - Why not get inventive and take one asphalt surface and make it multi-court: put basket-ball backboards and a tennis net on the same surface so that you could play a half-court basket ball game or tennis in the same space. Do I hear any compromise from the court enthusiast camp??...
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