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My friend lives in a renovated 800 sf condo on 8th St. and pays $8,000 a year in taxes. I highly doubt that anyone from bergen-lafayette or greenville pays remotely as much. No downtown doesn't pay all the city's taxes, but we do pay disproportionately more per square foot then the other hoods of JC. We pay more, because we expect a higher standard of living. Just as someone would pay more to live in West Orange as opposed to East Orange.

Really????well let me show you my tax bill. The argument that someone deserves to be safer just because they pay more is an elitist one and one that I hope the city will overlook. We all deserve more safety. Equally.

Admit it, you pay more, because you moved here once the area had a decent coffee shop, not because the schools showed great improvement and the crime rate dropped.

What really irks me is the way residents from every part of jersey city separate themselves from each other. If you were to look at the city as a whole, you would realize that we are all affected by each others' actions--good and bad.

Show me your tax bill. Oh and I will absolutely admit that I didn't move here for the schools. I don't have any children, but if I did, I would NEVER send them to a public school here. Not because the education is bad, but because I wouldn't want my kid around the riff raff that dwells here. My husband and I moved for one simple reason - proximity to the city and friends. (Neither of us drink coffee by the way) We chose downtown because it has a higher standard of living. Meaning safety, entertainment, restaurants, gyms and it simply looks better. (Yes, aesthetics matter. You can always tell a neighborhood is deteriorating just by looking at it.)

Here's my tax bill. Mind you l live on the west side (near Reed street!!!) and I believe my taxes are slated to go up another +/_ $400.


2009 4 11-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,724.58
2009 3 08-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,724.58
2009 2 05-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,927.13
2009 1 02-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,926.93


I also know people in hamilton park who pay less than half of what I do and own an entire house.

I guess by your rationale, and the aesthetically unpleasant area I supposedly live in, I should be paying less. And maybe being that I own, I should be entitled to more, maybe the city should park a cop right on my doorstep. OH and maid service please......I deserve more.

And if your going to judge how degraded a neighborhood looks like based on aesthetics alone, you probably think Williamsburg is a scary dump.

Still doesn't add up to 8K. Yes, I do think Williamsburg is a dump. I would rather live in downtown JC than with a bunch of pansy hipsters who stick up for the lowlives of their hood like you do. Oh and I do attend city hall meetings, but you guessed it...only when they pertain to downtown living. If they could build a wall between downtown and everything beyond the turnpike it would be grand. When a neighborhood has garbage, graffiti, no trees, loud music, people loitering on every stoop and homes that have metal gates on their front windows - you cannot deny that aesthetically it translates that this hood is bad. Go call a waaambulance.

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My friend lives in a renovated 800 sf condo on 8th St. and pays $8,000 a year in taxes. I highly doubt that anyone from bergen-lafayette or greenville pays remotely as much. No downtown doesn't pay all the city's taxes, but we do pay disproportionately more per square foot then the other hoods of JC. We pay more, because we expect a higher standard of living. Just as someone would pay more to live in West Orange as opposed to East Orange.

Really????well let me show you my tax bill. The argument that someone deserves to be safer just because they pay more is an elitist one and one that I hope the city will overlook. We all deserve more safety. Equally.

Admit it, you pay more, because you moved here once the area had a decent coffee shop, not because the schools showed great improvement and the crime rate dropped.

What really irks me is the way residents from every part of jersey city separate themselves from each other. If you were to look at the city as a whole, you would realize that we are all affected by each others' actions--good and bad.

Show me your tax bill. Oh and I will absolutely admit that I didn't move here for the schools. I don't have any children, but if I did, I would NEVER send them to a public school here. Not because the education is bad, but because I wouldn't want my kid around the riff raff that dwells here. My husband and I moved for one simple reason - proximity to the city and friends. (Neither of us drink coffee by the way) We chose downtown because it has a higher standard of living. Meaning safety, entertainment, restaurants, gyms and it simply looks better. (Yes, aesthetics matter. You can always tell a neighborhood is deteriorating just by looking at it.)

Here's my tax bill. Mind you l live on the west side (near Reed street!!!) and I believe my taxes are slated to go up another +/_ $400.


2009 4 11-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,724.58
2009 3 08-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,724.58
2009 2 05-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,927.13
2009 1 02-01-2009 TAXES BILL 1,926.93


I also know people in hamilton park who pay less than half of what I do and own an entire house.

I guess by your rationale, and the aesthetically unpleasant area I supposedly live in, I should be paying less. And maybe being that I own, I should be entitled to more, maybe the city should park a cop right on my doorstep. OH and maid service please......I deserve more.

And if your going to judge how degraded a neighborhood looks like based on aesthetics alone, you probably think Williamsburg is a scary dump.

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You have to understand that people living Downtown are paying a lot of money to live there, BECAUSE it's the safest area of JC. We have the right to complain about crime, when we are paying double what it costs to live anywhere else in JC, in order to avoid such crime.

I understand what your saying, trust me I do. But both of these crimes did not originate downtown, further more don't yall classify downtown as being past a certain street?? If anyone has a right to complain it's people who live in bergen lafayette and greenville. And whether you pay 2000 a month or 700 a month you should be safe no matter what... that is just appaling that you think that since you pay more you should have more safety F.O.H.

this. tommy's argument that people who pay more deserve more is pretty dumb. it is the city's job to keep everyone safe, not just those who choose to pay more rent.

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Graffiti is art.... to an extent... lol bash me if you want, but most Graf artists are not criminals.. just purely making art

graffiti is a crime if it's done on property that isn't your own. and most of the time, that's exactly where it's done.

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Did I say Kerik? No. READ. And as for national trends, then why the hell didn't Jersey City or Newark or any of these cities catch up with it? This is why I can't stand the liberal way of thinking. You all think that Obama can save the country, yet Guiliani wasn't responsibile for NY's resurgence. And if I spelled that word wrong, too f-ing bad.

I'm just tired of hearing how close this crap is coming to my neighborhood - a neighborhood that I'm paying good money to live in and was told that is safe. TommyC is totally spot-on - if this crime comes any closer - everybody is going to move out and the waterfront will just become an extensive of the ghetto.

Well if your so scared maybe you should move... I'm sorry that your little plastic bubble is going to be infiltrated with the "ghetto" altho I find that highly unlikely... but would find it rather amusing to see Cosi and Starbucks packed with white t-shirt wearing "gangs"

You have to understand that people living Downtown are paying a lot of money to live there, BECAUSE it's the safest area of JC. We have the right to complain about crime, when we are paying double what it costs to live anywhere else in JC, in order to avoid such crime.

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Greenville - did I say I was scared? And if you enjoy walking all your dogs with gunfire - more power to you. But you probably pay 800 a month for your rent; whereas I pay three times that. For that kind of money, I expect a different quality of life.

If YOU have a problem with Starbucks and Cosi - don't frequent them.

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Did I say Kerik? No. READ. And as for national trends, then why the hell didn't Jersey City or Newark or any of these cities catch up with it? This is why I can't stand the liberal way of thinking. You all think that Obama can save the country, yet Guiliani wasn't responsibile for NY's resurgence. And if I spelled that word wrong, too f-ing bad.

I'm just tired of hearing how close this crap is coming to my neighborhood - a neighborhood that I'm paying good money to live in and was told that is safe. TommyC is totally spot-on - if this crime comes any closer - everybody is going to move out and the waterfront will just become an extensive of the ghetto.