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Because the area was developed with a shit ton of public money in the form of tax abatements and publicly built infrastructure. Welfare by any other name...

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And more stereotypes..

Want to add welfare queens and boisterous "urban" youth to your list? You're a straight up bigot. And whining about being intolerant of bigots is the disingenuous defense of a bigot. "How dare you be intolerant of my shitty intolerance?"

No one said that standards need be dropped on behavior. But reserving an entire part of the city for the 95th percentile and up is simple shitty exclusionism when public money went into building the area.

At least some mid-income units should be requires in any new development.. and by that REAL mid-income.. close to the city median.


Sure, we can add these obnoxious types as well. And no, zero mid-income or below units should be required. You have no right to live in my neighborhood. Note that no one actually agrees with you here and that any proposals to push your agenda would be met with significant resistance, including from people who would happily donate to politicians that would oppose any such proposals from occurring. Go on, whine about me being a bigot. Maybe it'll make you feel better.

By the way, tell me again what's wrong with reserving parts of the city for the 95% or above? We reserve certain cars for 95% or above, certain watches, certain vacations, certain jobs, certain private schools, certain salaries (admittedly, somewhat circular here). Why should where you live, which is probably the singularly most expensive thing most of us spend on, be any different?

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And more stereotypes..

Want to add welfare queens and boisterous "urban" youth to your list? You're a straight up bigot. And whining about being intolerant of bigots is the disingenuous defense of a bigot. "How dare you be intolerant of my shitty intolerance?"

No one said that standards need be dropped on behavior. But reserving an entire part of the city for the 95th percentile and up is simple shitty exclusionism when public money went into building the area.

At least some mid-income units should be requires in any new development.. and by that REAL mid-income.. close to the city median.

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Your words man.. if you don't want to sound like a bigot, don't write stuff that is objectively bigoted.

No amount of cutely picture posting can get around that.


I'm a cultural bigot for sure. Frankly, it is stupid not to be. You are too, obviously, since "certain kinds of people" (such as myself) bother you as well. So now that we've established the obvious, so what? Oh, you're dense so I'll continue explaining the obvious. A huge part of what makes an expensive neighborhood expensive is the lack of undesirables there. The fact that rent is too expensive for low-class criminals, single mothers who irresponsibly had 6 kids, those chronically unemployed due to stupidity and addictions, to live in is a perk rather than a "problem" to be resolved. If you wish to live in a crappy neighborhood with that awesome crowd then you are more than welcome to. I suspect that you already do. In any event, I won't cry over the fact that you're priced out of my neighborhood.

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Your words man.. if you don't want to sound like a bigot, don't write stuff that is objectively bigoted.

No amount of cutely picture posting can get around that.

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Meh..

"I don't want poors or *wink* those people near me"

If the shoe fits.


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Meh..

"I don't want poors or *wink* those people near me"

If the shoe fits.

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And I rest my case. Justification for being a bigot.


Troll or moron. I rest my case.

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And I rest my case. Justification for being a bigot.

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You can whine all you like. It's pathetic and transparent. People living in tax abated construction whining about providing benefits to people aside form themselves. And that's aside from being self absorbed exclusionists.

Aside from that, if you don't understand the fundamental concepts that separate discrimination from bigotry from racism, don't bother arguing it. Dictionary definition wars are uninteresting and the mark of a feeble argument and mind.


I suspect that you're a troll and mean exactly none of what you write. Either that, or you're one of those obnoxious IRL trolls that on one hand rages that upper middle class and above people dislike living next to poor people with crappy cultures and high crime rates (yes, disproportionately belonging to several groups) but at the same time lambasts those that move into predominantly lower income minority neighborhoods as gentrifiers. In any event, it is a human characteristic to prefer certain kinds of people (generally, people like themselves) over different people. I will actually argue that this is more cultural than racial (most wealthy white people will prefer to be around wealthy Asians, Blacks, etc. than poor redneck whites, and each of those other groups if they respond honestly will state the same).

In any event, screw off. We live in a free society and people can live where they want. If you hate certain places/people due to whatever bigotry you undoubtedly have (we're all bigots in one way or another) then fantastic, go live somewhere that makes you happy. You never have to set foot in Paulus Hook, just like I never have to set foot in Greenville.

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You can whine all you like. It's pathetic and transparent. People living in tax abated construction whining about providing benefits to people aside form themselves. And that's aside from being self absorbed exclusionists.

Aside from that, if you don't understand the fundamental concepts that separate discrimination from bigotry from racism, don't bother arguing it. Dictionary definition wars are uninteresting and the mark of a feeble argument and mind.

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Bigotry is the judging of people for what they ARE, not what they do.


Where did you get that definition of bigotry from (besides just making it up to suit your argument).

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I judge based on NIMBY-ism and selfishness. So cry me a river. "Keep the poor people out, but please don't be mean to me and call me a bigot, my little self absorbed feelings get hurt."


Who said this? Straw man argument.

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Aside from that, you kids by the water are living on subsidies, so how is social engineering working for you?


You kids? Who are "you kids"?

Just pointing out your hypocrisy, that's all.

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Pffft.


"Look ma, he doesn't like our tasteless, cookie cutter buildings."

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Bigotry is the judging of people for what they ARE, not what they do. I judge based on NIMBY-ism and selfishness. So cry me a river. "Keep the poor people out, but please don't be mean to me and call me a bigot, my little self absorbed feelings get hurt."

Aside from that, you kids by the water are living on subsidies, so how is social engineering working for you?


You are of the intolerant and narrow-minded belief that Paulus Hook isn't a neighborhood, so I am very comfortable judging you for what you are.

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Bigotry is the judging of people for what they ARE, not what they do. I judge based on NIMBY-ism and selfishness. So cry me a river. "Keep the poor people out, but please don't be mean to me and call me a bigot, my little self absorbed feelings get hurt."

Aside from that, you kids by the water are living on subsidies, so how is social engineering working for you?

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You have no grasp of the word bigotry. Isolationists are not to be encouraged.


I don't, eh? You call other people bigots and yet practice bigotry yourself.

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That assumes that public policy is served by having no less expensive housing in the area.


Back to artificial social engineering again. How's that working out in JC's housing projects? Three women shot the other night? The little kid shot in Greenville two weeks ago?

Let the markets speak, not the (usually) lily white 'progressives' who think they know what the people of color need.

Affordable housing was never meant to mean affordable everywhere, because you end up building fewer units in expensive areas-which kinda defeats the purpose, no? Frankly, building brand new, quality units in depressed areas will help those areas better than building in Newport for lucky lottery winners (or those with a favor owned them by their councilman/woman).

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That assumes that public policy is served by having no less expensive housing in the area.

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There is a difference between that and trying to shut out the poors. NIMBY BS.


Exactly how is anyone shutting out anyone? Want to move to a waterfront property, save up. Buy first in Bayonne on the water, it's cheaper. Work a second job, save for a few years, then head to Newport!

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There is a difference between that and trying to shut out the poors. NIMBY BS.

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You have no grasp of the word bigotry. Isolationists are not to be encouraged.


For someone preaching tolerance you seem remarkably short on it. Country Village or Port Liberte are not my cup of tea either, but I don't condemn their residents. They're missing out is all.


If higher income people want edgy, they can move to Greenville. Asking them to underwrite people moving to their backyards to satisfy someone else's idea of diversity and hipness is laughable at best, and silly at worst. Net result? Don't like Paulus Hook, don't move there. Don't like Ocean Avenue, don't move there.

Part of everyone getting along is not trying to impose your will on others, not demanding someone pay for what you want, and being open and generous when you can.

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I am not fond of either of those either.. but that does not excuse additional provincialism.

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You have no grasp of the word bigotry. Isolationists are not to be encouraged.


For someone preaching tolerance you seem remarkably short on it. Country Village or Port Liberte are not my cup of tea either, but I don't condemn their residents. They're missing out on real city life is all. Same for east of Marin, not my kind of city, but clearly works for many and DOES fill many of the new urbanist goals of a walkable transit oriented neighborhood.

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You have no grasp of the word bigotry. Isolationists are not to be encouraged.

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And I am amused that you call blocks of Soviet style, indentical low rise condos a neighborhood.


Just pointing out your own ironic bigotry, that's all.

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And I am amused that you call blocks of Soviet style, indentical low rise condos a neighborhood.

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It's a dull maze of identical dull buildings that were built to look alike. And most of the residents I know there do not bother with the rest of the city.


You preach diversity but only support areas that you find appealing. Is that supporting diversity?

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It's a dull maze of identical dull buildings that were built to look alike. And most of the residents I know there do not bother with the rest of the city.


This is your subjective opinion of how a city or neighborhood "should" be comprised. It's amusing that you think your subjective opinion is entitled to any weight whatsoever.

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It's a dull maze of identical dull buildings that were built to look alike. And most of the residents I know there do not bother with the rest of the city.

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Try looking at the noise and filth outside Lucky 7. And the roving packs of young assholes in Hoboken made that town as bad as any bad neighborhood in JC. Brooklyn took decades to gentrify, and did take a sizable increase in transit and infrastructure development, and remains mixed and interesting due to rent stabilization and tenant protection.

If you want a good model to look at, try further in, like up past Cole, toward Brunswick. It's a vital area with a mix of ethnicities, income levels, businesses, eateries, bars, a thriving art community and incoming music venues. It's a much more interesting and dynamic neighborhood than Paulus Hook has become. The latter has no life to speak of and is full of people that barely venture anywhere further west than Grove, let alone Jersey.

The proprietor of Maxwells closed and moved here due to Hoboken becoming and uninteresting monoculture, and you guys want to duplicate that boring sh** here.


If you value diversity, no need to slam Paulus Hook, then. It's a piece to the puzzle that is Jersey City.

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